The real first day of the week

[pablope]

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Remnant1;10905163:

pablope;10905090:

The wording of the covenant has never changed. What has changed is who the covenant is between. The old covenant between God and the children of Israel collectively. The new covenant between God and the Children of Israel through the Mediator Jesus Christ.

That is not what i asked…Remnant…or you are evading.

What i asked is…What covenant did Christ instituted at the Last Supper and sealed with His own blood at the crucifixion?

Is Christianity under that covenant or under the OT covenant?

So either you have an answer or you don’t…

Or you do not know?

 

[pablope]

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Remnant1;10905163:

pablope;10905090:

Let me ask you pablope, Why did Christ come to this earth and die on the cross?

You are evading, and we are not talking about Christ purpose.

Again the question is…What covenant did Christ instituted at the Last Supper and sealed with His own blood at the crucifixion?

Is Christianity under that covenant or under the OT covenant?

So either you have an answer or you don’t…

Or you do not know?

And how about the questions you did not answer previously:

[SIGN]How do you know it is from the HS? How can you prove it is the HS?

Your understanding…your interpretation of Scripture? Can you prove a connection to the Apostles?

What makes you think the CC does not? What is your proof?

As was told at the beginning of the thread…we celebrate the Sabbath of the New Covenant, not the Sabbath of the Old Covenant.[/SIGN]

 

[pablope]

Consider this passage.

Acts13
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

 

[Remnant1]

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pablope;10905554:

Remnant1;10905163:

pablope;10905090:

That is not what i asked…Remnant…or you are evading.

What i asked is…What covenant did Christ instituted at the Last Supper and sealed with His own blood at the crucifixion?

Is Christianity under that covenant or under the OT covenant?

So either you have an answer or you don’t…

Or you do not know?

I’m trying to get to the baseline of your constant barrage of questions. So again why did Christ come and die on the cross?

 

[Remnant1]

No…they have not converted yet and have not yet been baptized. They still observed the old Sabbath. That is why Paul again went to the Sabbath, these gentiles and jews have not been instructed by Paul of the new sabbath.

 

[pablope]

I know this…but look at the passage again…he breaks bread on the first day of the week. Which do you think is the first day of the week? Saturday or Sunday?

Na I deleted it. Not interested.

My “SDA tradition” as you call it says nothing about the Catholic mass. At least nothing that I have read.

I am not surprised.

Well, sure I have. Haven’t you?
Deleted that too.

God is love
Remnant1

Yes…but here in is the difference. We do not pick and choose to justify our beliefs or teachings…we take whole of Scripture and the Tradition of the Apostles.

What you have chosen is tradition started in the 1800s by EGW, which is based on picking and choosing what you believe and agree with.

What makes it ‘authoritative’ for Mohler is that it agrees with his interpretation of Scripture. If he encounters something in the tradition that seems extra-biblical or opposed to Scripture he rejects it. For that reason, tradition does not authoritatively guide his interpretation. His interpretation picks out what counts as tradition, and then this tradition informs his interpretation.

So true, isn’t it? You choose what is compatible with your interpretation of Scripture.

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[Remnant1]

I’m not having the difficulty pablope and since you don’t seem inclined to read and evaluate my posts, I see no point in continuing

God is love
Remnant1

 

[Skadi]

Is the first day of the week (Sunday) we observe today the same first day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead or has the weekly 7 day cycle changed? Is there any church documentation to confirm either way. Is this issue important to Roman Catholic Christians? Thanks in advance for your response.
Kevin

The English names for days of the week come from the old Gods of Northern Europe (with the exception of Saturday which is from the Roman Saturn.) Tuseday/Tyrsday, Wendsday/Wodensday, Thursdy/Thorsday, ect. The Germans and Anglo-Saxons adopted this method from the Romans, who in turn had taken it from several sources in the near east, and made it official after the adoption of Christianity. Christianity had borrowed it from Judaism, who themselves probably borrowed it from the Babylonians during the time of their enslavement in Babylon. It was the Babylonians who made the oldest recorded 7 day calendar and this may have influenced ed Jewish tradition during their stay there before returning to Israel.

So, what that whole paragraph is getting at is… this thing has jumped around alot, we dont necessarily know if days match up all the way from the old Hebrew Week to the Germanic one used in the English speaking world. Then throw in the possibility that Sunday may simply have been used for symbolic reasons,being the beginning of a new week. Now im not christian or a personal believer in the resurrection, but If you asked me was Jesus crucified on a Friday (basically the same question), Id say there’s no way to know for sure but more than likely yes.

 

[po18guy]

My authority comes from the word of God. There is not a shred of evidence that God has in any way changed the Sabbath because of Jesus rising on the first day. In fact we can and I do say that Jesus confirmed the Sabbath day by resting in the grave. I would like to know what you mean by the “Old Covenant”.

First of all, you are missing most of the evidence. Secondly, the evidence that does exist is not favorable to the Sabbatarian argument.

Q. Did, or did not Jesus say that He is Lord also of the Sabbath?

A. Yes, He did. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)

Q. Did Jesus, or did He not, violate the Sabbath and allow His disciples also to do so?

A. Yes, He did. (Matthew 12:1-2, Mark 2:23, Luke 6:1)

Q. Did Jesus, or did He not, rise from the dead, forever changing the world on that first Sunday?

A. Yes, He did. (Mark 16:2, 16:9, Luke 24:1, John 20:1)

Q. Did Jesus, or did He not, send the Holy Spirit, giving birth to the Church, on the 50th day, a Sunday?

A. Yes, He did. (Acts 2:1)

Q. Did Paul write that no one should jusge you as to a feast day, a new moon, or a Sabbath?

A. Yes, he did. (Colossians 2:16)

Q. Did the Apostles meet for worship in the first day of the week?

A. Yes, they did. (Acts 20:7)

Q. Did the Apostle John receive his revelation on a Sunday?

A. Yes, he did. (Revelation 1:10)

Have all Christians celebrated the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week, for almost 2,000 years ever since?

A. Yes, they have.

Q. Did a young girl in 1800s America suffer a serious and traumatic head injury, fall into a coma for three weeks, and after that, receive what she claimed were “visions”?

A. Yes.

Q. Did that woman in 1800s America to suddenly reverse all of Christian history and declare each and every other Christian on earth to be in the wrong as to their day of worship (violating Colossians 2:16)?

A. Yes, she did.

Q. Was she instrumental in founding the Seventh Day Adventitst Church?

A. Yes, she was. That would be Ellen Gould White, the SDA “prophetess”, whose numerous writings were all held by the SDA to be inspired by God.

Q. Did she teach that the Catholic Church was the “whore of Babylon” and that the Pope was the antichrist?

A. Yes.

Q. Did she falsely prophesy that the Catholic Church would pass laws in America forcing worship on Sunday instead of Saturday?

A. Yes, she did.

Q. Did Jesus teach that false prophets would arise and lead many astray?

A. Yes, He did. (Matthew 7:15, 24:11, 24:24, Mark 13:22, Luke 6:26)

Q. Did Peter warn infallibly against false prophets?

A. Yes, he did. (2 Peter 2:1)

Q. Did the Apostle John write, infallibly, to test the spirits because false prophets would go out into the world?

A. Yes, he did. (1 John 4:1)

Q. Do the scriptural warnings against false prophets cover all subsequent false prophets, even if they appeared in 1800s America?

A. Yes, it does.

There is more to this story than a simple reading of the Decalogue - which itself does not specify a day of the week to be the Sabbath.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

So you are saying that Jesus eliminated the Ten commandments here? Wait were not the ten commandments spoken by God’s own mouth and written with His own finger on stone and not given by the scribes and phaisees at all?

Mark2
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Making the Sabbath the Lord’s day

He also showed that the burdensome laws with which the Pharisees surrounded the Sabbath need not be kept at all, because these were not God’s laws.

Col.2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

V. 17 explains that these rituals that are a foreshadowing of the comming of Christ need not any longer to be kept because now we have what they were prophecying in the actuality of Christ. The Sabbath commandment is not a foreshadowing of Christ at all, but a remembrance of creation.

Gal.4
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye againb to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

This is Paul talking to the former gentiles that he taught to know Christ and now they are turning back to their pagan rituals. This has nothing to do with the Sabbath of the moral law.

Rom.14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Remember Paul was breaking new ground here. What he is saying is that gentiles, once they are converted, must decide if the are to still keep some of the days that they kept when they were heathens, but now they must be kept unto the Lord, but if they keep some or abandon them all noone has the right to judge another on there practices of keeping days to the Lord. Again this has nothing to do with the Sabbath of the Moral Law.

I answered this before but here it is again

Acts 17
17 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

In the book of Acts it talks about Paul preaching on the Sabbath day on close to 200 occasions. He was obviously doing the same thing in Troas in Acts 20 “as his manner was” where he preached until supper time (sundown) when it became Sunday, the first day of the week, and since He would be departing and probably would not be back this way, he preached almost all night long. This was no confirmation of the first day replacing the Sabbath.

Really? Paul is talking about picking up donations for people in Jerusalem who were experiencing a drought, no mention of Sabbath change or worship.

How do you know that?

God is love
Remnant1

No I did not say Jesus eliminated the 10 Commandments, you did. Read my post again. You assume just because we worship on a Sunday that we have eliminated the Sabbath, that is not the case.

We worship on a Sunday because that is the day Christ rose and conquered death. On the Saturday he was in the bowels of Hell.

I know because my Church guided by the Holy Spirit interpreted those verses to mean that. How do you know? How do you know what you believe to be true apart from the book which was given to you by the Catholic Church. If you trust the book that the CC gave you, why don’t you trust that Catholic Church?

Why should I believe or follow what you and/or your church deem to be the correct interpretation of those verses? What are you and your Church’s unbroken historical and theological qualifications to claim that authority? Where was your Church in 200AD? You and your Church possess no authority or influence over me just as you believe our Church doesn’t over you.

 

[Remnant1]

No I did not say Jesus eliminated the 10 Commandments, you did. Read my post again. You assume just because we worship on a Sunday that we have eliminated the Sabbath, that is not the case.

We worship on a Sunday because that is the day Christ rose and conquered death. On the Saturday he was in the bowels of Hell.

But you are saying that the day has been changed Right?

I know because my Church guided by the Holy Spirit interpreted those verses to mean that.

So, you believe your church has some sort of power over you? What would that be and how do you know it has this authority?

God is love
Remnant1

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Jesus said; “I did not come to abolish the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them”.

The New Covenant in Jesus Christ has given us only two commandments to follow. 1. Love God 2. Love of Neighbor these fulfill the law and the prophets.

1 Tim.1: 3 I repeat the request I made of you when I was on my way to Macedonia, that you stay in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to teach false doctrines
4 or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith.
5** The aim of this instruction is love from a pure heart, a good conscience, and a sincere faith. **
6 Some people have deviated from these and turned to meaningless talk,
7 wanting to be teachers of the law, but without understanding either what they are saying or what they assert with such assurance. **
8 We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law,
9 with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers,
10 the unchaste, practicing homosexuals, 5 kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching,
11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
**

SDA’s are decieving themselves when they falsely teach and preach that the Catholic Church has changed the Sabbath or removed the 10 commandments, SDA’s falsely give to much power to the Catholic Church. These laws remain to those who remain in the natural covenant law and for those who fall from grace requiring baptism or reconciliation. The old covenant laws require a life because the law exists to rule over the sinful and unruly and the blood sacrifice only makes atonement for their sins it never removes their sin which convicts them to death in the earth. The law is not for the righteous, which Jesus makes us in himself.

The sabbath law called for a rest to refrain oneself from work.** No man, Jew or SDA could ever fulfill or complete this Sabbath day covenant. Jesus fullfilled this Sabbath law by resting our humanity in the grave crucified Friday rested through the Sabbath and rose on the first day of the first creation week Sunday. Thus God the testator of the covenant, by law requried blood to fulfill it. This Jesus the only begotten Son of God, as testator took upon himself this Sabbath rest in death and fulfilled it in His blood. **

We don’t call this the first day of the week according to the old creation covenant, but the eighth day that completes or fulfills the first creation 7 day week. This is the day the Lord has made in the new and everlasting covenant. The number 8 is very important to the first Jewish Christians because the 8th day is the real first day of the week when a new beginning begins a new Covenant which fulfilled the old covenant. 8 is significant here because 8 completes and fullfills 7.

2 Corinthians 5:17- “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Hebrews 9:11-12- “But Christ, being come an high priest of the good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hand, that is, not of this creation: Neither by the blood of goats, or of calves, but by his own blood, entered once into the holies, having obtained eternal redemption.”

The Sabbath is a ceremonial law that demands and requires an obedience to this law. If the SDA’s are not following the dictates of this Sabbath law they are decieving themselves?

1. NO Work, cannot light a fire, cannot ride your animal or drive your car or travel so many feet from your dwelling (home). If you drive or travel more than the Sabbath law dictates you violate the Sabbath.
2. You must prepare and offer up a blood and animal sacrifice in order to follow the biblical dictation of the Sabbath. If you do not do these, you violate the Sabbath law.

These ceremonial Sabbatical laws do not exist prior to the exodus.

 

[pablope]

pablope;10906328:

I’m not having the difficulty pablope and since you don’t seem inclined to read and evaluate my posts, I see no point in continuing

No evaluate your posts? Are you kidding?

I did evaluate your posts…I checked Acts, read verses prior to and after the verses you posted…and provided you additional posts which you omitted… to get the proper context.

The mere fact that I asked you questions…means I evaluated your posts…posted questions about your conclusions…and now, you are evading answering my questions.

What you are doing, without realizing it is…you are looking at isolated passages, and forcing a meaning in those passages…in order to make your pre-conceived interpretation and bias fit with what you want the passages to mean.

Again…picking and choosing passages… His interpretation picks out what counts as tradition, and then this tradition informs his interpretation.

So true, isn’t it? You choose what is compatible with your interpretation of Scripture.

Example…I have pointed out to you that the phrase breaking of bread was a term for the Mass in the Bible, in the language of the first christians, who were catholics. You keep saying it is not…it is an ordinary meal.

So what is your basis for saying it is an ordinary meal? The SDA teaching and interpretative tradition…which is devoid of any apostolic connection.

 

[pablope]

But you are saying that the day has been changed Right?

This is a fancy bit of skewed logic. You are saying that the Catholic Church has given me a book, I am assuming that you are talking about the bible here, but we are not supposed to believe that book, we are supposed to believe the Catholic Church that supposedly gave us the book but says something different than the book says. So what would be the purpose of giving the book in the first place if we are not supposed to follow it?

 

[Remnant1]

Jesus said; “I did not come to abolish the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them”.

The New Covenant in Jesus Christ has given us only two commandments to follow. 1. Love God 2. Love of Neighbor these fulfill the law and the prophets.

And you don’t see those two as a synopsis of the decalogue?

SDA’s are decieving themselves when they falsely teach and preach that the Catholic Church has changed the Sabbath or removed the 10 commandments, SDA’s falsely give to much power to the Catholic Church.

OK

These laws remain to those who remain in the **natural covenant law **and for those who fall from grace requiring baptism or reconciliation. The **old covenant laws **require a life because the law exists to rule over the sinful and unruly and the blood sacrifice only makes atonement for their sins it never removes their sin which convicts them to death in the earth. The law is not for the righteous, which Jesus makes us in himself.

Ok, you need to clarify this. You talk of natural covenant law and old covenant law what’s the diff. And you seem to be saying that the law isn’t for everyone. I don’t get it.

The sabbath law called for a rest to refrain oneself from work.** No man, Jew or SDA could ever fulfill or complete this Sabbath day covenant.**
Why not?

Jesus fullfilled this Sabbath law by resting our humanity in the grave crucified Friday rested through the Sabbath and rose on the first day of the first creation week Sunday. Thus God the testator of the covenant, by law requried blood to fulfill it. This Jesus the only begotten Son of God, as testator took upon himself this Sabbath rest in death and fulfilled it in His blood.

So you are saying that we have to die to keep the Sabbath? That’s ridiculous. We keep the Sabbath covenant by keeping the Sabbath day holy.

Ex.20
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We don’t call this the first day of the week according to the old creation covenant, but the eighth day that completes or fulfills the first creation 7 day week.

There are only seven days in a week

Genesis 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

This is the day the Lord has made in the new and everlasting covenant. The number 8 is very important to the first Jewish Christians because the 8th day is the real first day of the week when a new beginning begins a new Covenant which fulfilled the old covenant. 8 is significant here because 8 completes and fullfills 7.

Again there are only seven days in a week and there are only seven because that’s all that God created.

[2 Corinthians 5:17- “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

Hebrews 9:11-12- “But Christ, being come an high priest of the good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hand, that is, not of this creation: Neither by the blood of goats, or of calves, but by his own blood, entered once into the holies, having obtained eternal redemption.”

B]The Sabbath is a ceremonial law that demands and requires an obedience to this law. If the SDA’s are not following the dictates of this Sabbath law they are decieving themselves?

The Sabbath is not a cerimonial law it is one of the ten commandments. The moral law.

1. NO Work, cannot light a fire, cannot ride your animal or drive your car or travel so many feet from your dwelling (home). If you drive or travel more than the Sabbath law dictates you violate the Sabbath.

These are not part of the Sabbath commandment. See above.

1. You must prepare and offer up a blood and animal sacrifice in order to follow the biblical dictation of the Sabbath. If you do not do these, you violate the Sabbath law.

These are cerimonial laws which were shadows of the cross and have been nailed to the cross.

Col.2
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

These ceremonial Sabbatical laws do not exist prior to the exodus.

So, what do you think Cain and Abel were doing.

Gen4
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

God is love
Remnant1

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Remnant1;10910275]
Ok, you need to clarify this. You talk of natural covenant law and old covenant law what’s the diff. And you seem to be saying that the law isn’t for everyone. I don’t get it.

Hi Remnant1, thank you for your posts, I have read your response.

Sticking to the OP that deals with “The real first day of the week”. From the creation theme we know that first day of the week begins with Sunday not Saturday or the Sabbath day.

The 7 day creation week was originally covenanted with Adam and Eve which ultimately led to the flood.

It is recorded from the Old Testament that God reveals himself to His people on the 8th day not the 7th day. What is this 8th day? It is the day recognized by the Hebrews as the day when God reveals himself, and the smoke from the oblation that ascends into the heavens is prefigurement of that day when God will make all things new from the old covenant creation rest day of the Sabbath into the new creation day of the 8th day. This prefigured Jesus resurrection who reveals himself to His Church and ascends into heaven.

The 8th day is when the Hebrew male child would be given his name and circumcised.

Circumcision is of the natural law which cannot save you, baptism is the circumcision of the heart which saves you now, which is not the natural law but of the eternal spiritual law which does not end beginning on the 8th day which is the new creation day in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Old Covenant which you referenced the decalogue (10 commandments) was given for sinners, not the righteous. Before the law came man had a choice to sin or not to sin this was grace upon the our first parents Adam and Eve. After the law, humanity only had one choice that was to sin because humanity had fallen from grace, thus the Law was put in place to check the sinner to obey God so as not to fall into sin. Thus Moses and later juridical authorities added another 600+ laws to the decalogue to keep God’s people from breaking the law, which was added to the Sabbath ceremonial laws and Sabbatical laws to prevent from breaking the Sabbath rest. Which are the few I mentioned in my earlier post.

This Old Covenant is now fulfilled in Christ Jesus who established the New and everlasting Covenant which supersedes the natural law and covenant laws in fullfillment and grace and mercy of God, where the law places no grace nor mercy.

Thus Love is the fullfillment of the law and the prophets.We don’t get this love who is God because God is love, until we enter into the 8th day the first day of creation which is Sunday not Saturday. The Sabbath we are resting, Sunday the resurrection we begin a new life into eternal life in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

This is the real first day of the week, the 8th day.

 

[Remnant1]

Hi Remnant1, thank you for your posts, I have read your response.

Thank you

Sticking to the OP that deals with “The real first day of the week”. From the creation theme we know that first day of the week begins with Sunday not Saturday or the Sabbath day.

We’re good so far.

The 7 day creation week was originally covenanted with Adam and Eve which ultimately led to the flood.

Here we run into a problem. The seven day creation week was not covenanted at all. It was created. The seventh day was covenanted with Adam and Eve as the day of rest, Sabbath.

It is recorded from the Old Testament that God reveals himself to His people on the 8th day not the 7th day.

First of all where is this recorded. And secondly it’s not true.

Gen2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Why does God bless and sanctify anything, for His benefit?, no, for our benefit, and that benefit is to enter into His rest.

Heb4
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

We enter into God’s rest, relationship, on the seventh day, the Sabbath day, not the eighth day, and we do that by faith.

Heb.4
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

God is love
Remnant1

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Gabriel of 12;It is recorded from the Old Testament that God reveals himself to His people on the 8th day not the 7th day.

Remnant1;10912414] First of all where is this recorded. And secondly it’s not true.

**Here are the biblical facts that it is the 8th day when God reveals himself to His people which begins a new creation day from the first day of the week **which is the 8th day not the Sabbath day.

Leviticus 9; 1
On the eighth day Moses summoned Aaron and his sons, together with the elders of Israel,
2
and said to Aaron, "Take a calf for a sin offering and a ram for a holocaust, both without blemish, and offer them before the LORD.
22
Aaron then raised his hands over the people and blessed them. When he came down from offering the sin offering and holocaust and peace offering,
23
Moses and Aaron went into the meeting tent. On coming out they again blessed the people. **Then the glory of the LORD was revealed to all the people.
24
Fire came forth from the LORD’S presence and consumed the holocaust and the remnants of the fat on the altar. Seeing this, all the people cried out and fell prostrate. **

God again in the New Covenant reveals himself in his glorious resurrection on Sunday which is the first day of the old creation being fulfilled in the eighth day,

John 20:1** On the first day of the week.** Mary Magdala came to the tomb early in the morning…15 Jesus said to her "woman why are you weeping?..18 Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”, and what He told her.

20:19** On the evening of that first day of the week**, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were…Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them. “Peace be with you”…He showed them his hands and His side…

20:26** Now a week later (indicates the following Sunday not Sabbath) His disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came,** although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said “Peace be with you”. paranthesis mine.

Luke 24:1 1
1 **But at daybreak on the first day of the week **they took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
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**And it happened that while they were conversing and debating, Jesus himself drew near and walked with them, **
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7 but their eyes were prevented from recognizing him.
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And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them.
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With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight.
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So they set out at once and returned to Jerusalem where they found gathered together the eleven and those with them
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9 **While they were still speaking about this, he stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
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10 Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have." **

From the book of Acts we have the apostles gathering on the Lord’s day which is Sunday not the Sabbath Day.

In fact John the revelator reveals from all eternity it is on the Lord’s day “Sunday” when he recieves his vision of God who reveals himself in Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ.

Revelations 1:10; I was caught up in spirit on the Lords day…I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me…one like the son of man…his eyes were like fiery flame. His feet were like polished brass refined in a furnace… when I caught site of Him, I fell down at His feet as though dead…

Yes the apostles went to preach to the Jews who gathered on the Sabbath, but when the apostles celebrated the breaking of bread and prayers it was always done on Sunday the Lord’s day which is the first day of the week which is the 8th day that God reveals himself to his people in Sunday especially in the Eucharist amen.

 

[Miriam1947]

Gabriel of 12, thank you.

Great post.

 

[504Katrin]

**Here are the biblical facts that it is the 8th day when God reveals himself to His people which begins a new creation day from the first day of the week **which is the 8th day not the Sabbath day.

Leviticus 9; 1
On the eighth day Moses summoned Aaron and his sons, together with the elders of Israel,
2
and said to Aaron, "Take a calf for a sin offering and a ram for a holocaust, both without blemish, and offer them before the LORD.
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Aaron then raised his hands over the people and blessed them. When he came down from offering the sin offering and holocaust and peace offering,
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Moses and Aaron went into the meeting tent. On coming out they again blessed the people. **Then the glory of the LORD was revealed to all the people.
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Fire came forth from the LORD’S presence and consumed the holocaust and the remnants of the fat on the altar. Seeing this, all the people cried out and fell prostrate. **

God again in the New Covenant reveals himself in his glorious resurrection on Sunday which is the first day of the old creation being fulfilled in the eighth day,

John 20:1** On the first day of the week.** Mary Magdala came to the tomb early in the morning…15 Jesus said to her "woman why are you weeping?..18 Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”, and what He told her.

20:19** On the evening of that first day of the week**, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were…Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them. “Peace be with you”…He showed them his hands and His side…

20:26** Now a week later (indicates the following Sunday not Sabbath) His disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came,** although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said “Peace be with you”. paranthesis mine.

Luke 24:1 1
1 **But at daybreak on the first day of the week **they took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
15
**And it happened that while they were conversing and debating, Jesus himself drew near and walked with them, **
16
7 but their eyes were prevented from recognizing him.
30
And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them.
31
With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight.
33
So they set out at once and returned to Jerusalem where they found gathered together the eleven and those with them
36
9 **While they were still speaking about this, he stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
39
10 Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have." **

From the book of Acts we have the apostles gathering on the Lord’s day which is Sunday not the Sabbath Day.

In fact John the revelator reveals from all eternity it is on the Lord’s day “Sunday” when he recieves his vision of God who reveals himself in Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ.

Revelations 1:10; I was caught up in spirit on the Lords day…I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me…one like the son of man…his eyes were like fiery flame. His feet were like polished brass refined in a furnace… when I caught site of Him, I fell down at His feet as though dead…

Yes the apostles went to preach to the Jews who gathered on the Sabbath, but when the apostles celebrated the breaking of bread and prayers it was always done on Sunday the Lord’s day which is the first day of the week which is the 8th day that God reveals himself to his people in Sunday especially in the Eucharist amen.

A week has only seven days. The “eighth day” counted the days of the inaugaration of Aaron and his sons who preapared for their inaugaration for seven days, and who got annointed on the eighth day counting from the first day. I won’t get into this any further though in order to not derail this thread and other reasons.
But you take that one sentence out of context, say that since there was an “eighth day” of the week and since the Christian scriptures that you continued with said the same, and voilá the Sunday has to be the Sabbath.

To your Christian scriptures

@ you quoting John

they came with the spices after daybreak because they were forbidden to do work on the Sabbath which was the previous day hence a Saturday.

@ your next quote of John

it was evening and the doors were locked so it was already Monday actually. You still want to take this quote as a proof for Sunday being the day of rest?

@ your third quote of John

hence your next quote means that “a week later” was also on a Monday…

@ you quote of Luke

you’re basically saying the same thing. They had to wait until daybreak which was on a Sunday and this was when they met Jesus and when he resurrected. This is why Christians celebrate the Sunday as the Lords’ day.

Putting things randomly together won’t help. I’m just trying to get the facts straight. I agree with you that the Sunday is the Lords’ day. Let the Sabbath be Sabbath, and the Lords’ day be the Lords’ day