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mikew262
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David Puthoff:
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Thanks Dave. The same goes to you. I have a stepbrother serving in the Navy.
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Wondering_Waif
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David Puthoff:
If you think that my ideas are idiotic and you still volunteered to protect them there’s something very wrong with you, but that’s okay, I’m sure that your heart was in the right place.
People like “me” do a lot more than you think. You were TOLD that Iraq was harboring terrorists, however, that’s unlikely, it is likely that Afghanistan was harboring terrorists and I have no problem with the fact that we engaged there. While it saddens me I figure that it had to be done.
If you could readily sacrifice the lives of your children I have no idea what kind of a parent you are, I’m still wondering why Abraham was so willing to sacrifice Isaac but that’s just me.
I can’t believe that you’re still carrying on about Kuwait, if you remember, we told Saddam that we had no interest in his scuffle with Kuwait and then we turned around and declared war on the guy.
Saddam did NOT have WMD, you were lied to, it’s hard for folks like you to admit, folks who would put their own flesh and blood on the front lines to admit that you were sucker-punched by Chalabi and his minions, however there it is black and white.
Your neighbor, Lyndie England tortured prisoners in your name, while the soldier herself is probably mildly retarded her superiors are definitely NOT, and what the heck are you doing about that? Nothing, probably, because you don’t see the Iraqis as fellow Children of God you probably think that they deserved it or that SOMEONE deserved it and that one Iraqi is as good as the next.
Do not dare to compare WW2 with this war, there’s an incredible difference. Furthermore, we didn’t get into the war until we were attacked so I question our desire to stop evil, we were just taking care of ourselves.
As this story and truth unfolds you will become better informed.
At this point, because I’ve already warned you that this discussion is closed if you dare to suggest that I have any but the deepest respect and gratitude for our Armed Forces (excluding Cheny and Bush and those who never served, btw) I have to conclude our discussion.
First of all, thank you for your service to our country.
If you think that my ideas are idiotic and you still volunteered to protect them there’s something very wrong with you, but that’s okay, I’m sure that your heart was in the right place.
People like “me” do a lot more than you think. You were TOLD that Iraq was harboring terrorists, however, that’s unlikely, it is likely that Afghanistan was harboring terrorists and I have no problem with the fact that we engaged there. While it saddens me I figure that it had to be done.
If you could readily sacrifice the lives of your children I have no idea what kind of a parent you are, I’m still wondering why Abraham was so willing to sacrifice Isaac but that’s just me.
I can’t believe that you’re still carrying on about Kuwait, if you remember, we told Saddam that we had no interest in his scuffle with Kuwait and then we turned around and declared war on the guy.
Saddam did NOT have WMD, you were lied to, it’s hard for folks like you to admit, folks who would put their own flesh and blood on the front lines to admit that you were sucker-punched by Chalabi and his minions, however there it is black and white.
Your neighbor, Lyndie England tortured prisoners in your name, while the soldier herself is probably mildly retarded her superiors are definitely NOT, and what the heck are you doing about that? Nothing, probably, because you don’t see the Iraqis as fellow Children of God you probably think that they deserved it or that SOMEONE deserved it and that one Iraqi is as good as the next.
Do not dare to compare WW2 with this war, there’s an incredible difference. Furthermore, we didn’t get into the war until we were attacked so I question our desire to stop evil, we were just taking care of ourselves.
As this story and truth unfolds you will become better informed.
At this point, because I’ve already warned you that this discussion is closed if you dare to suggest that I have any but the deepest respect and gratitude for our Armed Forces (excluding Cheny and Bush and those who never served, btw) I have to conclude our discussion.
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Wondering_Waif
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You are correct that the enemy tries to destroy the Church, however it can’t and it won’t. If there’s one thing I’m sure of it’s that the Church will stand, in spite of outsiders and insiders who will destroy it.
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Wondering_Waif
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Listen Mike, I have serious issues with Michael Moore, in case you didn’t know this, Moore supported Nader during the first election and because of the close election results in Florida we got Bush in the WH and believe me, I don’t admire his lack of
pragmatism with that choice, however, he makes some valid points in his film.
It is my belief that we were lied to about WMD. Current information seems to be that Chalabi had a hand in that and that’s terribly disturbing, remember how Condi Rice and Cheney belabored the “mushroom cloud” point? Even Bill Clinton believed that Iraq had WMD, it’s downright scary to think that some terrible chicanery was being perpetrated on all of us and that we fell for it.
I had a sense, and so did many others in DC, that regardless of anything that Bush wanted a war, and his unfortunate comment about Saddam wanting to kill his daddy made me think that Bush was willing to sacrifice our military for a personal vendetta. However, because I figured that in NO way would Colin Powell compromise his ethics I completely fell for his speech at the UN.
I don’t think that terrorism is on the decline because of our activities in Iraq, if you can reassure me on that point, I’m all ears but the recent bombings in Jordan tell me otherwise. From the bottom of my heart I would love to believe otherwise.
I’m sorry you took offense at my comment about Catholicism and aggression, my point is simply that the Iraqis are us, fighting them there is fighting them here, everyday, the war effects us, our spirit and our families, and more directly it affects our brothers and sisters in Iraq. I would be happy to annihilate Osama, who we haven’t found, but we can’t even find him, and when we have folks in WH outing CIA folks and allowing their Gay friends into press conferences I get truly stymied. I wonder what the heck is going on.
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mikew262
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Well Waif, I’m glad you don’t swallow Michael Moore’s stuff hook, line, and sinker. Thats a positive.
You and I have some diverse views and we’re not going to change each other’s mind. We’ll have to agree that we disagree.
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You and I have some diverse views and we’re not going to change each other’s mind. We’ll have to agree that we disagree.
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Wondering_Waif
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Okay, I can handle that. Thanks for your comments.Well Waif, I’m glad you don’t swallow Michael Moore’s stuff hook, line, and sinker. Thats a positive.
You and I have some diverse views and we’re not going to change each other’s mind. We’ll have to agree that we disagree.
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MrS
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Wondering Waif:
We should not just depend on the Church to survive. It will, but we have a job to do… defend it.
We should not just depend on the military to survive. It will, but they have a job to do… defend us.
Better they do it in the backyard of the terrorists than in my back yard.
Archbishop Sheen lamented that the biggest fear we could have is not admitting the existence of evil (Satan)
As for the war… the biggest mistake we could make is not recognizing how evil the enemy really is (Satan at work in the terrorists).
You may have missed my point.
We should not just depend on the Church to survive. It will, but we have a job to do… defend it.
We should not just depend on the military to survive. It will, but they have a job to do… defend us.
Better they do it in the backyard of the terrorists than in my back yard.
Archbishop Sheen lamented that the biggest fear we could have is not admitting the existence of evil (Satan)
As for the war… the biggest mistake we could make is not recognizing how evil the enemy really is (Satan at work in the terrorists).
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Wondering_Waif
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Bishop Sheen also taught that fairies were the angels who wouldn’t get involved with the battle between Michal and Lucifer but that’s beside the point.
I cannot stand George Bush, however, if some Iraqi came over here and deposed George Bush and then started fighting me over some trumped up charge about Bush’s cruelty to me, deprived me of drinking water and electricity and destroyed my ancient treasures I would probably be an insurgent and fight back.
I see the terrorist and I understand that she/he is my enemy, however, the terrorist also has a soul and a reason for her/his terrorist activity, in order to stop them, I need to know why they hate me and my country so much, that means that I have to study History and Geography and Human Nature and even Islam.
Just to say, “I hate you cuz you hit me and to get even I’m going to destroy someone else’s country”…(meaning that we didn’t
destroy Arabia, where the terrorists sprang from, but Iraq which had nothing to do with it) doesn’t cut it with me.
Believe me, I know that we need a strong defense, which is why I called my congressional rep to protest when I realized that we were cutting benefits to the veterans even as we were calling our military to war, however, we should exercise our intellect and caution before we engage in any FIRST strike offensive, we’ve never done that before, and we should not have done that this time.
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MrS
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Wondering Waif said:
Why do you think there are terrorists? Perhaps because there is a history of them setting the rules, the first strikes, the evil intents…
Sorry… I guess I should just say that you just don’t get it.
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pacersFan
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How many times was Jesus smacked before He did something about it?
Moore is entirely too liberal at times for me, but I do appreciate him asking questions and raising issues.
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Wondering_Waif
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You are wrong about Bishop Sheen, we have his tapes and I heard it with my own ears.
You also need to learn more about history, military history. You will see that we have NEVER engaged in first strike offensive prior to this war.
I don’t understand why you’re having so much trouble with this, you don’t need to be genius to understand what going on!
You don’t have to get your information from Michael Moore, just listen to C-Span!
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mikew262
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I suppose I could’ve missed your point here. However, surely you don’t advocate this country doing nothing when attacked, or being threatened with attack? :banghead:
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JessHav
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I’m not political, but I am Catholic, so I just want to remind you all that this is a CHARITABLE FORUM. Reading your posts makes me envision that if you all were in a room together you’d be pulling out hair, not praising the Lord.
Waif, you changed your mind a million times in this forum and honestly I can’t figure out why people are still discussing this with you. You seem to “know a lot” about a lot of little things that have nothing to do with your main arguments.
Everyone else, I can understand why the words “idiot” and likewise have popped up, but do you think they are appropriate for this forum? Do you think that they are a good example for all the “visiting” people who want to prove why they “aren’t like those Catholics”? I think not.
Why don’t you quit responding to Waif’s bait? She’s obviously just wanting attention.
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Waif, you changed your mind a million times in this forum and honestly I can’t figure out why people are still discussing this with you. You seem to “know a lot” about a lot of little things that have nothing to do with your main arguments.
Everyone else, I can understand why the words “idiot” and likewise have popped up, but do you think they are appropriate for this forum? Do you think that they are a good example for all the “visiting” people who want to prove why they “aren’t like those Catholics”? I think not.
Why don’t you quit responding to Waif’s bait? She’s obviously just wanting attention.
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Wondering_Waif
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Jess, you have just responded to me while telling others not to respond to me. You preach one thing and you do another.
Furthermore, you can’t back up your false allegation about the “little” things I say to back up my primary argument because you cannot follow an intricate discussion.
As for wanting attention, your post SCREAMS, “hey, everyone, LOOK AT ME!!” Do you have a sibling that shined too much and you’re still jealous? LOL!
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JessHav
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The Christian thing to do in these forums is to ignore your comment as it is unfounded and very juvenile. However, I don’t want you to fill your head with satisfaction that you “got” me. You are so wrong it’s not funny. Unlike you, I have credibility in these forums for having united arguments and making useful comments.
Sorry that my advice to others is “creepy” to you.
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Sorry that my advice to others is “creepy” to you.
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Wondering_Waif
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Hmmm, so you admit that you’re not being Christian-like, for that I am to admire you? as for “getting you”, what would I get?
Winner of one-upping you on a messageboard? Where’s my gold record, where’s my blue ribbon for that? I don’t want to get you, as for credibility-when I can read a post where you are not personally attacking me I’ll let you know what I think.
It curious that you consider yourself qualified to advise others, btw.
Stalking another poster, who you admit to having unChristian-like behavior towards, is creepy-and it could be dangerous for me.
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Pentecost2005
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Wondering Waif:
Publicly-owned companies publish periodic reports required by the SEC. Anyone can read them. They’re even online (imagine that). Merely being a stockholder does not necessarily give you an advantage in learning about what’s going on in a company. Unfortunately, all too often the only ones who know what’s really going in a company are the ones cooking the books! Remember the chief at Enron? He claimed not to know what was going on – and he was the boss!
Hello? Creative license in a documentary?
Publicly-owned companies publish periodic reports required by the SEC. Anyone can read them. They’re even online (imagine that). Merely being a stockholder does not necessarily give you an advantage in learning about what’s going on in a company. Unfortunately, all too often the only ones who know what’s really going in a company are the ones cooking the books! Remember the chief at Enron? He claimed not to know what was going on – and he was the boss!
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Wondering Waif:
That may be true. “We” just take the sneaky way in, and manipulate “the other guy” into shooting first: Fort Sumter, German u-boats in 1917, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin…
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Wondering Waif:
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I didn’t think you would understand; let me type it really slow or you. Read it twice then again and think about it, it might make sense later. I served this nation so that people can be free, to discuss and express their point of view without fear of retribution or harm. If you don’t understand, I also protected the dim and defenseless.
Wondering Waif:
We agree, it needed to be done.
Wondering Waif:
Sacrifice? Are you drunk or simple? I have had 3 first cousins in Iraq in the first 6 months, I spoke with each of them individually about keeping safe and not being the hero. There is no sacrifice taking place there we are freeing an ancient people who have always lived in fear. Each of my cousins have mentioned how fulfilling it was to meet locals, each of them mentioned how thankful the Iraqis are. The media on the other hand will make an issue out of anything just to sell air time, they are in business to make money. “As a soldier I am proud to have served my country, I did it, and would do it again and promote it to my 4 sons. If they die will I mourn their death? Definitely. If they die would I question reason they gave their life? Never.” Nothing ever said about sacrificing, kicking butt on the other hand is expected.
Wondering Waif:
Sooo I cant bring up historical events in our conversations? Please think then type, your averaging 32 idiotic posts a day; let’s trim that down to 6 good ones.
Wondering Waif:
I don’t care if he had or has WMD, Saddam was a terrorist and will be put to death for his crimes to humanity.
Wondering Waif:
Nicholas Burg, was a non combatant, his head was chopped off with a knife, the loss of his head of course killed him, the hacking and sawing at his neck and tendons took more than 1 minute to cut through. I do not recommend watching the video it will haunt you for the rest of your life. These children of God do not play by the same rules as we do yet you feel the need to defend them. If I ever met Lyndie England, I would give her a hug and a kiss on the cheek and thank her for serving her country.
Wondering Waif:
I said “So in your eyes, WWII European front was unjustified because the Germans didn’t attack us? “ The same “taking care of ourselves” took place in WWII as in the War on Terrorism.
Wondering Waif:
Nah, I just think you aren’t as bright as you think you are.
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Chris_LaRock
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I enjoy his films, don’t get me wrong. He is a talented guy. But he manipulates the facts in a biased way in order to promote his ideas. These are not documentaries, but propoganda.
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