The Real Star of Bethlehem

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I have studied and identified the Star of Bethlehem from the Bible not from the sky.
It is not obscure conjunctions or hypothesized comet but the star Jesus identified His star in Revelation 22:16, the bright morning star. The short article is
The Glory of the Star of Bethlehem
I have also done two talks meant to be seen in sequential order
The Bible Reveals the Star of Bethlehem
The Wise men follow the Star to Jesus—
These are very Catholic, confirm the Churches’ dating of Christmas, our calendar, and Jesus and have no astrology implications.

Studying the sky and His star was necessary to understand it. The magi saw ‘his star’, as it rose with the sun. His star marked a golden scepter, a short line of three planets on the horizon. The rising of His star with the sun in two instances marked a picture telling the gospel story, then proceeded as the daystar to point the direction and in the second instance lingered in the west for 24 minutes after sunset low in the west over the ridge. Their movement up the ridge cancelled the downward motion of the star on the horizon making it appear to wait. They arrived on the evening of Passover. Many believe that the star that led to Jesus’ house did things that no star could do, so it was necessary for an angel to guide them. But God designed a very special star, that rarely, but when needed could guide in ways that no other star could guide.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Hey, have you read what Father Dwight Longenecker wrote about it? I haven’t, I was just curious if anyone else has.
 
It’s interesting that the star led them to Jerusalem first.
The Maji made quite the stir, didn’t they?
 
Hereiam said:
Although i saw nothing blatantly contrary to teaching or dogma, it just seemed to me the author tried too hard to make scripture a book of natural history rather than salvation history.
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It is God and not me that chose to use a natural star, but without the super-naturalness of the Scriptures God’s work would still remain hidden. And God Used the natural to tell the supernatural gospel story with this star. I am curious in what way did I ‘try too hard’ to make the Scripture a book of natural history? Wasn’t the entire story about God’s work?
Grace and peace,
Bruce
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Bruce_Killian said:
I am curious in what way did I ‘try too hard’ to make the Scripture a book of natural history? Wasn’t the entire story about God’s work?
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The Epiphany too often isolates the star and the Magi without putting the scriptures into anagogical context.

Matthew (the journey of the Magi) and Luke (the seeking of the Christ child by the shepherds) must be read in parallel.

When we do that we find the star and Magi, and the angels and the shepherds are not the story…the story is Christ as the “cornerstone”, proclaimed in Isaiah and by the Psalmist…the cornerstone joins two walls of the Church, coming from different directions (the Jews and the Gentiles).
 
That was a good story. I liked it. I know next to nothing about signs and the stars. It seems you worked very hard on this. How accurate do you think your telling is?
 
Hereiam said:
The Epiphany too often isolates the star and the Magi without putting the scriptures into anagogical context.
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If you want to see the scriptural backdrop, you need to see my longer article. Venus The Star Of Bethlehem I deliberately made this article short so people could find the time in their busy lives.
Hereiam said:
When we do that we find the star and Magi, and the angels and the shepherds are not the story…the story is Christ as the “cornerstone”, proclaimed in Isaiah and by the Psalmist…the cornerstone joins two walls of the Church, coming from different directions (the Jews and the Gentiles).
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Of course Christ is the story, and He is the focus of the star. The star proclaims Him as King receiving the golden scepter of world rule, God whom the sun moon and stars worship and Passover Sacrifice for the family of God.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
JamesATyler said:
It seems you worked very hard on this. How accurate do you think your telling is?
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I have worked on it every December for decades and read many books and articles and about 15 years ago I suddenly came to understand it. I discovered the star of Bethlehem as soon as I read and article by a Mormon astronomer who said ‘the Bright Morning Star’ was Venus and explained why. He did not connect Venus to the Star of Bethlehem. I knew Jesus identified the Bright morning star with Himself and the magi saw ‘his star’. This is a story that just keeps on giving because every year I discover new insights. It is intensely linked to the scriptures and regularly reveals new connections. The heavens worshipping Jesus. The link to Passover. The link to the prophesy of Jacob. Decades ago I nearly completed an M.Div. in Biblical studies so I have good background in the scriptures.
The things that I am least sure of are things like the topography of Bethlehem and the exact location of the inn where the magi stayed. I thought I understood it by studying topographic maps but until I went back to Bethlehem and walk the route that I thought they traveled (from near the Church of the Nativity) I realized that it could not work. It was not until about a month after I had returned that I understood. I still would like to go back to Bethlehem and walk the route and it would be nice to do some archaeology on locating the road (which I could see in old pictures went to the saddle (which make logical sense).
I gave a link to free software which one can use to pull up the sky from any point on earth at any time. So you could at least check out the signs that I have proposed.
Grace and peace, Bruce
 
How have you fallen from the heavens,O ( morning star ) son of the dawn! How are you cut down to the ground, you who mowed down the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 he refers Lucifer as the ( morning star ) Isaiah says in 14:11 Your ( PRIDE) has been flung down to Sheol " hebrew word for hell" with the music of your lyrics; under you a mattress of maggots, over you a blanket of worms.

Pride was the act of man freewill that broke his relationship with God. Selfish pride like I can be God instead of I need you God. That leads to humility which all of the Saints had.

Revelation 2 27:29
He (Holy Spirit) will rule them with an iron rod. Like clay vessels will they be smashed., Just as I received Authority from my father. And to him ( Holy Spirit) I will give the (Morning Star). Whoever has ears ought to hear what the spirit ( Holy Spirit) says to the churches.

Some people say that Jesus is the morning star but I say no. John says in revelation 2:27-29 ’ just as I received authority from my Father," We can show this is Jesus talking if we look in the Gospels
Mat. 11:27 says… All things have been handed over to me by my father. No one knows the son except the father, and no one knows the father except the son and anyone to whom the son wishes to reveal him. And many more.

I think what John is trying to say here is the light was gone meaning people in the old covenant could not go to heaven but with this new morning star we are free from sin at last. We are still sinners but we have the free will of heaven or hell.
God bless!
 
0104 said:
Isaiah 14:12 he refers Lucifer as the ( morning star ) Isaiah says in 14:11 Your ( PRIDE) has been flung down to Sheol " hebrew word for hell" with the music of your lyrics; under you a mattress of maggots, over you a blanket of worms.
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If you read the longer article I referenced in my linked article you would see I deal with this. There are two morning stars, the morning star and the bright morning star. Jesus is the bright morning star and Lucifer is the Mercury, the other morning star. See www.scripturescholar.com/VenusStarofBethlehem.pdf on page 18.
there are actually many names used for the morning star that one cannot discern in English so again the longer article clarifies these.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Bruce_Killian said:
The Glory of the Star of Bethlehem
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I like what you’ve done here but there are a couple of things I think are relevant:
  1. Mars can also be the morning star.
  2. If the twelve tribes are the zodiac constellations then Jacob is Ophiuchus carrying his sceptre or staff which is the snake, as referenced with Moses who turned his staff into a snake, ref verse 8 of Numbers 24: God brought him forth out of Egypt
  3. There is mention of gold and silver twice in Numbers 24. Gold is the sun, silver the moon. The sceptre would be gold so the sun should be in Ophiuchus. The arrows in verse 8 support this as Sagittarius and Sagitta are close by. The unicorn is Monoceros so the silver moon should be adjacent in Gemini, which you have.
  4. Balak and Balaam are a stumbling block according to Revelation implying we need to read beyond what is written.
  5. The only one who can stir the lion is Virgo so a planet should be there.
Or at least that is how I would read Numbers 24.

Blessings.
 
TheButler said:
Mars can also be the morning star.
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If morning star in the Bible refers to stars that can only be seen in the morning or evening and not all night, then no Mars can’t be a morning star. But in a general sense any star particularly a bright one in the morning then yes.
TheButler said:
If the twelve tribes are the zodiac constellations then Jacob is Ophiuchus carrying his sceptre or staff which is the snake, as referenced with Moses who turned his staff into a snake, ref verse 8 of Numbers 24: God brought him forth out of Egypt
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The zodiac in the Bible only has twelve signs.
TheButler said:
There is mention of gold and silver twice in Numbers 24. Gold is the sun, silver the moon. The sceptre would be gold so the sun should be in Ophiuchus. The arrows in verse 8 support this as Sagittarius and Sagitta are close by. The unicorn is Monoceros so the silver moon should be adjacent in Gemini, which you have.
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I don’t know where you are getting this but I only use the Bible not astrology. The holy family flees to Egypt by the light of the full moon.
TheButler said:
The only one who can stir the lion is Virgo so a planet should be there.
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The virgin appears in the link at the end to Our Lady of Guadalupe. It is also prominent in my article on Revelation 12 which also links to the star of Bethlehem see The Stopwatch and Key to the Apocalypse
grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Bruce_Killian said:
The zodiac in the Bible only has twelve signs.
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There is a 13th: Ophiuchus above Scorpius, the only human in the constellations, and still on the ecliptic.
Bruce_Killian said:
I don’t know where you are getting this but I only use the Bible not astrology.
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I use the Bible and astronomy.

BTW, astronomically on your date Venus rises just after the sun and is ‘new’ (like a new moon) so wouldn’t be visible in the morning. It might just be visible in the evening but it would be in the West and the Star of Bethlehem is in the East. The yellow line is the horizon. This is sunrise.

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TheButler said:
I use the Bible and astronomy.
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So did those first Gentiles seeking Him. But after full revelation, astrology no longer held significance in the answer to the mysteries presented by the Epiphany of the Star.
 
Hereiam said:
So did those first Gentiles seeking Him. But after full revelation, astrology no longer held significance in the answer to the mysteries presented by the Epiphany of the Star.
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Sorry, I thought your thread was about connecting the Bible to the position of the planets in the constellations on a given date given you reference the lion, Leo and Venus. That is astronomy. Astrology is completely different.


 
I appreciate the help with the dictionary, but bear in mind that astrology cannot be practiced without astronomy (the prefix, astro, in both words meaning star)…the Magi were employing astrology through the use of astronomy as the manifestation of the birth of a king.
 
Hereiam said:
I appreciate the help with the dictionary, but bear in mind that astrology cannot be practiced without astronomy (the prefix, astro, in both words meaning star)…the Magi were employing astrology through the use of astronomy as the manifestation of the birth of a king.
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I thought they had derived an astronomical date from the prophecies as I thought you had done. That’s what I did with this:
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Revelation: What's it really about? Sacred Scripture
The Book of Revelation has been accepted by the Church as being the inerrant Word of God. Frequently verses are quoted from it to demonstrate concepts such as the Assumption of the Blessed Mother (Rev 12), the promise of Jesus’ return as well as the horrors that will befall mankind as God exerts His wrath. A lone man writes in pidgin Greek on an island called Patmos (37.3130° N, 26.5469° E). He writes of Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, doors that once open can’t be closed… He writes of h…
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TheButler said:
BTW, astronomically on your date Venus rises just after the sun and is ‘new’ (like a new moon) so wouldn’t be visible in the morning. It might just be visible in the evening but it would be in the West and the Star of Bethlehem is in the East. The yellow line is the horizon. This is sunrise.
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It was visible, not today because of light and air pollution, but it was visible in the pas because the Babylonians, Egyptians and Maya peoples recorded Venus observations visible on the forth day after the inferior conjunction, also it was visible during the day, see article by Curtis on Venus visibility near the inferior conjunction.
grace and peace,
Bruce
 
TheButler said:
BTW, astronomically on your date Venus rises just after the sun and is ‘new’ (like a new moon) so wouldn’t be visible in the morning. It might just be visible in the evening but it would be in the West and the Star of Bethlehem is in the East. The yellow line is the horizon. This is sunrise.
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I am using Julian dates, as were used until the Gregorian calendar, you are apparently using Gregorian dates, which are two days earlier. So adjust two days later, see the longer article referenced in the top of the article of much more detail on what I discuss.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
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