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Why are the Muslins coming to America? To look for american women? To marry? dessert
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Ham,
Dont marry for the wrong reasons. May God Almighty guide you to your choice of only one wife.
Dont marry for the wrong reasons. May God Almighty guide you to your choice of only one wife.
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paarsurrey,
I was serious. Could you please tell us your basis for believing that Buddha was another messenger of God?
I was serious. Could you please tell us your basis for believing that Buddha was another messenger of God?
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He probably won’t answer you, they don’t really perceive or understand, I think they are just repeating what they read in their quran. I have asked questions and not got back any any answers ro they just don’t speak our english that well or can speak but not with understanding? Good luck with getting an answer and it seems they are just putting out sites and say stuff and then say read the quaran and then deside for yourself so you probabaly won’t get an answer. dessertpaarsurrey,
I was serious. Could you please tell us your basis for believing that Buddha was another messenger of God?
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Dessert, the Koran has no mention of Buhhda as far as I know.
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Thanks for the links!
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The first wife will get him a citizenship. DessertHam,
Dont marry for the wrong reasons. May God Almighty guide you to your choice of only one wife.
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paarsurrey
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Paarsurrey,
Your posts bring a smile to my face.
Smiling is healthy for you physical health.
So keep on smiling.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you.
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I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
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Paarsurrey; Did you have friends or family that were killed in any muslim wars? Were you sad? What country are you from?
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Hi
I am sorry if someone has harmed you or your family. In fact those who follow Mullah’sIslam or Mullah’sShariah or neither following Muhammad nor Quran.
Sorry again, I condemn every atrocitious act done to innocent human beings .
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No I was asking you if you have had someone harm your family to your family in a war?
Family of Paarsurrey in a war?
Family of Paarsurrey hurt in a war?
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No
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Jayda
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holaThe “discussions” over there are horrendous!!!
Look at “BMZ’s” comments!
so far so good actually… it seems like most of the negativity is tit for tat and that goes back too far to find out who started it (and it really does not matter).
does anybody have serious questions they would like me to post there (i am ‘snowbunny’) ? by hamba2han’s own admission muslims (including himself) will act and respond differently there, in the company of majority muslims, than here in the company of mostly Catholics.
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How do they believe they attain their salvation?
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so far so good actually… it seems like most of the negativity is tit for tat and that goes back too far to find out who started it (and it really does not matter).
Actually it does not go back too far to find out who started it. Muhammad spend his first 10 years of his self proclaimed prophethood in Mecca, his home town. He angered the rulers so he and his small band of followers moved to Medina. There he gathered more followers, promising them that in caravan raids and battles, they could keep 4/5ths of the war booty for their own. This included keeping the womand and children war captives as slaves. There is an entire chapter of the Qur’an entitled Booty which discusses this, there were to give 1/5th to Muhammad then those who fought got the rest.
Muhammad and his band of followers then started raiding caravans and attacking every tribe around them… they killed or drove out every Jewish tribe in Medina. On his death bed Muhammad instructed his people to ride the Arab Pennisula of all non-Muslims. They did exactly that. We call it Saudi Arabia today were no religion but Islam is allowed to this day.
Then the Muslims started attacking, unprovoked, every Jewish, Christian, Zoroastrian and pagan community in the Middle East, North Africa, the Indian subcontinent … even Spain. For example the Muslim conquest of Jeruselam… a letter was sent to the ruler that they had to convert to Islam or they would be attacked. The rulers of Jeruselam laughed at the letter and ignored it. Muslim armies attacked Jeruselam, bloody battles ensued for 5 months before the city finally surrendered to the Muslims. Muslims will tell you that no blood was spilled in the taking of Jeruselam… they conveniently forget the 5 months of fighting that occurred before the city surrendered.
Here is the short list (meaning very incomplete) of Islam’s offensive wars to spread Islam by the sword. It does not include the Islamic invasion of the Indian Subcontinent which was much bloodier then the conquest of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain. After this time the invasions into Europe did not stop. The crusades slowed them down but they did not stop until Europeans went into the Middle East and North Africa in the 1800’s.
630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting ‘agreements’ from northern tribes. They could enjoy the ‘privilege’ of living under Islamic ‘protection’ (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).
632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.
633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).
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Actually it does not go back too far to find out who started it. Muhammad spend his first 10 years of his self proclaimed prophethood in Mecca, his home town. He angered the rulers so he and his small band of followers moved to Medina. There he gathered more followers, promising them that in caravan raids and battles, they could keep 4/5ths of the war booty for their own. This included keeping the womand and children war captives as slaves. There is an entire chapter of the Qur’an entitled Booty which discusses this, there were to give 1/5th to Muhammad then those who fought got the rest.
Muhammad and his band of followers then started raiding caravans and attacking every tribe around them… they killed or drove out every Jewish tribe in Medina. On his death bed Muhammad instructed his people to ride the Arab Pennisula of all non-Muslims. They did exactly that. We call it Saudi Arabia today were no religion but Islam is allowed to this day.
Then the Muslims started attacking, unprovoked, every Jewish, Christian, Zoroastrian and pagan community in the Middle East, North Africa, the Indian subcontinent … even Spain. For example the Muslim conquest of Jeruselam… a letter was sent to the ruler that they had to convert to Islam or they would be attacked. The rulers of Jeruselam laughed at the letter and ignored it. Muslim armies attacked Jeruselam, bloody battles ensued for 5 months before the city finally surrendered to the Muslims. Muslims will tell you that no blood was spilled in the taking of Jeruselam… they conveniently forget the 5 months of fighting that occurred before the city surrendered.
Here is the short list (meaning very incomplete) of Islam’s offensive wars to spread Islam by the sword. It does not include the Islamic invasion of the Indian Subcontinent which was much bloodier then the conquest of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain. After this time the invasions into Europe did not stop. The crusades slowed them down but they did not stop until Europeans went into the Middle East and North Africa in the 1800’s.
630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting ‘agreements’ from northern tribes. They could enjoy the ‘privilege’ of living under Islamic ‘protection’ (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax (jizya).
632—634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom.
633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al—Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616—17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034—35).
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634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: ‘The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.’ To this Khalid retorts: ‘How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many’ (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: ‘[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists’ (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem’s; the second mine).
634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.
635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus
636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.
637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)
638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.
638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.
639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.
641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.
643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.
644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.
644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.
656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.
656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.
657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali
661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.
661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus
673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire
680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.
691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.
705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.
710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.
711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.
719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor
634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al—Walid. An unnamed Muslim remarks: ‘The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few.’ To this Khalid retorts: ‘How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many’ (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladin quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: ‘[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists’ (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem’s; the second mine).
634—644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al—Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.
635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus
636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.
637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al—Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636)
638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.
638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.
639—642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.
641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.
643—707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.
644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.
644—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.
656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son—in—law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.
656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.
657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali
661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.
661—680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus
673—678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire
680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.
691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.
705 Abd al—Malik restores Umayyad rule.
710—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.
711—713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.
719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governor
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Sure, ask them if they agree with the Shari’ah law that apostates of Islam must be executed. It is still practiced today in many Muslim countries like Saudi, Afghanistan, Pakistan. In the countries where it is not practiced, they do punish apostates… for example the marriage of a person who apostates is automatically ended. The loose all rights to their children. They lose their right to inheritance. Usually the loose their job and their property. Ask them if they support this. Let us know what they say.
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hola
i am posting your questions in this thread:
whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19020&PID=434541#434541
please do not flood their webforum by joining to respond to their answers… we can discuss them here if you like. i think it would be rude to transport our arguments to their webforum. they do not seem to trust me… and that would not help.
Dominus vobiscum
i am posting your questions in this thread:
whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19020&PID=434541#434541
please do not flood their webforum by joining to respond to their answers… we can discuss them here if you like. i think it would be rude to transport our arguments to their webforum. they do not seem to trust me… and that would not help.
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THANK YOU SNOW! I WILL ANSWER ON HERE LATER I’M LATE. DESSERT
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