The Reality of Sex and the Lie of “Gender Self-Identity”

[Jimbo]

Do they have unisex locker-rooms and showers? For minors?

I’m sorry, just because Europe does it doesn’t mean it makes sense.

 

[o_mlly]

Biology provides surely a proclivity to express the reality of the inherent personality traits differences between the two sexes but so does nurturing especially in cases of gender confusion. Could we not see elevation of the gender self-identity to resort to surgical mutilation as therapeutic as a result of affirming those in a state of confusion by affirming their delusion?

Has not the past ~ 40 years of the encouraging females to express masculine traits (self-reliant, defends own beliefs, aggressive, acts as a leader) and males to express feminine traits (yielding, helpful, sensitive to the needs of others, gentle) and, perhaps more importantly, the labeling of males being males as a disordered behavior as repressing the biological instincts of men to be men and women to be women? We reap what we sow.

 

[Neithan]

Has not the past ~ 40 years of the encouraging females to express masculine traits (self-reliant, defends own beliefs, aggressive, acts as a leader) and males to express feminine traits (yielding, helpful, sensitive to the needs of others, gentle) and, perhaps more importantly, the labeling of males being males as a disordered behavior as repressing the biological instincts of men to be men and women to be women? We reap what we sow.

That might be part of it. I also have read/heard in various reports/documentaries that the widespread use of plastics may have a distorting affect on development of hormones that is not yet well understood. In that case, virtually all of us, at least in the western world, are affected to some degree.

 

[Aquinas11]

Has not the past ~ 40 years of the encouraging females to express masculine traits (self-reliant, defends own beliefs, aggressive, acts as a leader) and males to express feminine traits (yielding, helpful, sensitive to the needs of others, gentle) and, perhaps more importantly, the labeling of males being males as a disordered behavior as repressing the biological instincts of men to be men and women to be women? We reap what we sow.

It is a genius design if you’re an elite oligarch who realizes there is too many pesky humans and given AI on the brink we really won’t need 80% of these humans pretty soon, thus let’s destroy the reproductive dynamics between men and women

 

[Sarcelle]

Has not the past ~ 40 years of the encouraging females to express masculine traits (self-reliant, defends own beliefs, aggressive, acts as a leader) and males to express feminine traits (yielding, helpful, sensitive to the needs of others, gentle)

Traits are neither masculine nor feminine. We acquire traits in response to our circumstances. There is nothing inherently masculine about being self-reliant. For example, A widowed mother will need the traits of resourcefulness and self-reliance or her children will starve.

Remember the woman of Proverbs 31? This describes a woman of drive and resourcefulness.

What is especially feminine about being passive and sweet?

 

[Anrakyr]

Do they have unisex locker-rooms and showers? For minors?

Let’s ask the real question here: what does having mixed facilities cause you don’t want to see?

Bare in mind I do consider morality and modesty.

In my mind however what is the consequences? Children seeing too much? They can see their own. They learn to be prudes or pragmatic from adults. If we act like adults then so will children.

 

[Annie]

We should follow suit.

Why?

I like Europe and all, and everyone thinks they are super-cool, but why should the US do what they do? Isn’t that like cultural appropriation? Self-imposed neo-colonization?

 

[Annie]

Children seeing too much? They can see their own.

Children or peri-pubescent children seeing what is not their own, that which they don’t have.

If Europe is so great in having uni-sex facilities (which is not 100% the case) and having a pragamtic and non-prudish attitude, then why is there a porn industry in Europe?

 

[JMMJ]

Do they have unisex locker-rooms and showers? For minors?

I never get this concern. I grew up in a large family. Time to change clothes or shower? Go in the bathroom, take care of your business with the door shut and locked. Come out when you are done…all dressed, hair fixed, showered, etc. Ready to go!

It really is a problem where there doesn’t need to be one. Kind of weird, actually, that people are all into showering together and being naked in front of each other. Personally, I don’t like looking at it or being around it. Separate stalls with locking doors is the way to go.

 

[Jimbo]

Do they have those in Europe? If so, I disagree for the reasons below. If not, why not?

Back when I did Judo there was a young lady who couldn’t handle being trained by men. She had something in her history (she never said) that gave her panic attacks being close to men. I’ve had relatives sexually assaulted. Seeing male genitalia in the locker room isn’t okay for them.

We have binary physical sexuality. Men are sexually attracted by sight, and (especially in our current culture of sexualizing nearly everything) having mixed sex locker rooms isn’t a great environment. I know my wife would not be comfortable changing in a room with teenage or 20 something boys. This isn’t inculturation; its her sense of modesty.

It isn’t prudish at all to recognize this objective reality. Ignoring it we get into trouble.

 

[Jimbo]

At that point I think we are talking logistics. It sounds like we agree that having separate facilities is better; be it stalls or separate rooms. Which is the most efficient way to do this?

 

[Annie]

We should be forced to completely re-design our locker rooms, etc., because a miniscule number of people have a problem?

 

[JMMJ]

Well, the TG issue aside, in this day and age I think it would be smart to just make the room unisex. Have locking stalls in the room. No different than walking down a hall with separate bathrooms to choose from. And yes, I think given the time we live in with sexual assault and abuse to level it is reported, I think it is time for individual privacy when stripping down to change or shower. Don’t you? Personally, I am amazed at people who put themselves in certain positions in this day an age. Huge liability and risk of being accused of something you didn’t do.

When I got to the gym, I just get ready at home and then go back home to change. But I can be a germaphobe, too.

 

[o_mlly]

Traits are neither masculine nor feminine. We acquire traits in response to our circumstances. There is nothing inherently masculine about being self-reliant. For example, A widowed mother will need the traits of resourcefulness and self-reliance or her children will starve.

Your example does not support your claim. The widowed mother may be resourceful but being so does not indicate one who is also self-reliant.

Remember the woman of Proverbs 31? This describes a woman of drive and resourcefulness.

The topic of Proverb 31 is the ideal woman described through her activity as a wife, a helper as defined in Gen 2:18.

What is especially feminine about being passive and sweet?

Sweet? No. Passive-aggressive? Perhaps.

 

[Aquinas11]

Well, the TG issue aside, in this day and age I think it would be smart to just make the room unisex. Have locking stalls in the room. No different than walking down a hall with separate bathrooms to choose from. And yes, I think given the time we live in with sexual assault and abuse to level it is reported, I think it is time for individual privacy when stripping down to change or shower. Don’t you? Personally, I am amazed at people who put themselves in certain positions in this day an age. Huge liability and risk of being accused of something you didn’t do.

Mix genders together and provide locked stalls? Sex assaults would sky rocket with that arrangement. A guy just pushes a woman into a stall and locks it.

 

[JMMJ]

That can happen anywhere. Cameras in the open area where people aren’t stripping down would deter most from a violent act like that, though.

You can’t have it both ways. If you want an open, single sex locker room then have at it, but I don’t think anyone needs to be in the business of screening at the door and checking out what others have or don’t have in their shorts. Not sure what you want. You do realize TG people have been using the restrooms of their choice for years and years. It just is getting publicity now.

 

[Aquinas11]

That can happen anywhere. Cameras in the open area where people aren’t stripping down would deter most from a violent act like that, though.

Its much more likely to happen in mixed gender room with locked stalls.

You can’t have it both ways. If you want an open, single sex locker room then have at it, but I don’t think anyone needs to be in the business of screening at the door and checking out what others have or don’t have in their shorts. Not sure what you want.

No idea what any of this means.

 

[goout]

It’s a symptom of relativism to be offended by simplicity and directness.

A human being is a unity of body and soul. The body is an integral part of a person’s humanity and reveals a person’s humanity. So a person’s humanity can be observed, grounded, and affirmed by…observation.
A mirror reflects human nature for those who are struggling. And other people reflect human nature as well. We derive meaning and identity from ourselves, but always in the context of others. The male body doesn’t make complete sense without the female body. We discover ourselves by observing others.

Even if the person is struggling with an issue of identification, dealing with a problem requires dealing with life as it is. This process of acceptance is unavoidable, and acceptance of reality is the only launching point for growth and change.
So the admonition to consult a mirror is wise, and is simple and direct.

 

[Anrakyr]

Why?

I like Europe and all, and everyone thinks they are super-cool, but why should the US do what they do? Isn’t that like cultural appropriation?

That got dark fast.
Cultural appropriation is when you steal someone’s culture and make it your own. A good example is wearing ceremonial clothes from another culture for a fashion statement.

Self-imposed neo-colonization

America is an established stable nation, Not a developing one like say Hati.

If Europe is so great in having uni-sex facilities (which is not 100% the case) and having a pragamtic and non-prudish attitude, then why is there a porn industry in Europe?

Even if that was the case as you say it why is there a porn industry here?

So the admonition to consult a mirror is wise, and is simple and direct.

Oversimplification and insulting.

 

[goout]

goout:

So the admonition to consult a mirror is wise, and is simple and direct.

Oversimplification and insulting.

I’d invite you to think about what you just did with my post there, keeping in mind that you find oversimplification insulting.