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VanitasVanitatum
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You believe in evolution? But genetics don’t actually say anything about the spiritual reality.
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But if the subjective perception of biological sex affecting gender is not agreed upon by society , then neither is the subjective perception of the amount of time affecting age agreed upon by societyThe units of age are agreed upon by society. I have been on this earth for the same amount of time whether you count it in years, seconds, or the average lifespans of gerbils.
Unless of course subjective perception of only one immutable fact (biological sex) is permitted , for some random reason
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Yes they are different.Do you choose to use the word “gender” rather than “sex”? Do you understand them to be different? Almost every person is if either the make or female sex - yes?
Yes everyone is either one sex or another.
Didn’t say sex, I said gender.Unless of course subjective perception of only one immutable fact (biological sex) is permitted , for some random reason
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Oh you meant the gender spiritual differencesspiritual reality.
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VanitasVanitatum
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I was thinking more of what the Church says about those traits.Oh you meant the gender spiritual differences
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Aquinas11
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Didn’t quote you or reference youDidn’t say sex, I said gender.
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Anrakyr
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Your age argument was directed at me originally so I’m taking the time to answer it.
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Aquinas11
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Council of Trent says man should be head of house and woman should obey him. Yeah not popular in 2020 but that’s a good thing given this era has 40% out of wedlock birthdate, sky high divorce, etc. 2020 wont be any golden era in history
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Aquinas11
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There are others in thread too and they’re permitted to participate
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Anrakyr
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My replying doesn’t prevent them.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Their are many factors and most of those are likely excess which isn’t what I am talking about.but that’s a good thing given this era has 40% out of wedlock birthdate, sky high divorce, etc.
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You cut out part that answered your query
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VanitasVanitatum
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I want to see the quote in its context and what it specifically says. I answer if I find it.
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Aquinas11
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So why can’t a 50 year old man say he’s 40 if he feels 40
But a biological man can say they are a woman if they feel like a woman
In both cases, feelings trump facts when comes to identity?
But a biological man can say they are a woman if they feel like a woman
In both cases, feelings trump facts when comes to identity?
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VanitasVanitatum
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That only talks about a certain situation in a specific way.Council of Trent says man should be head of house and woman should obey him.
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First, i am not cisgender. I am a woman. A man who believes himself to be a woman and takes on a female persona is not a woman but a transwoman.If you are a man and like women you are a cis gender straight man.
If you are a women who transitioned to a man but like women you’d be a trans straight man.
Second, a man who is atttacted to women is experiencing a normal aspect of being a man. Attraction to women is part of what makes him a man in the normal (98%) way of things.
The fact that this man makes certain changes, which may not even include changes to his physiology, does not make him a lesbian. What is it that causes him to be attracted to women? His maleness.
I read about a couple consisting of a gay man and a transman. For some reason the transman reduced the male hormones “he” was taking, and “he” ended up pregnant. So the homosexual man had heterosexual sex with a woman who believes herself to be a man, and the news reports “Man becomes pregnant.”
And you don’t see the utter absurdity of this?
AndSo? [In response to: * And the fact that many biological men/transwomen do want to be accepted as women, or they want their “gender identity” to provide a ticket for entrance into the women’s world.*
No, the latter is a subset of the former. Women have “set-asides” for reasons: physiology, safety, psychological and social refuge, because women are different from men.That’s [transwomen entering women’s sports] another issue.
And this is something men do not always understand, altho some of them do get that if men like to go to men-only or men-oriented places, women might do the same.
We have had thousands of years of evolution. Women and men evolved under very different circumstances than those we live in today, but researxh shows that there are differences rooted in biology between men and women.
Women should not have to compete against people who have grown up biologically male.
Teenage girls should not have to share locker rooms with teenagers who are biologically male.
And women should not have to be gender-appropriated.
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What are the missing variables?Missing variables…
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Is that a statement about the definition of words? Or is the word “gender” being used to get to a different thing?They usually say “sex” is biological male/female and “gender” is subjective male/female
But in reality they’re the same
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Rau
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Define gender please.Didn’t say sex, I said gender.
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Anrakyr
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That’s not the point. At all.And you don’t see the utter absurdity of this?
I’d agree but society isn’t there yet. Hence why it’s a separate. It’s a societal issue.No, the latter is a subset of the former. Women have “set-asides” for reasons: physiology, safety, psychological and social refuge, because women are different from men.
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