The Red Pill: How radical feminism is demeaning to men

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Totally not a politically correct thing to say, but…

It takes a certain kind of man to look around and think that in a world where men outnumber women in virtually every national government and international governing body, in the highest echelons of business and entertainment, and where men lead every major religion, men are somehow held down, oppressed, and face large-scale discrimination at the hands of unnamed, shadowy “feminists”.

And if nothing else, The Red Pill confirmed that these guys are exactly as handsome, motivated, successful, and charming as I imagined.

Warren Farrell’s book THE MYTH OF MALE POWER may dispel some of your conceptions.

And it is not so much that males lack “privilege” so much that they if indeed male privilege exists, then it has failed miserably. Under male privilege/patriarchy, we still have “women and children first.” Under the same system we also have the divorce courts saying “Forget the man! The woman will get the children and most everything else because she is the more important parent----besides, she is victim of patriarchy!”

Also, men and women are put into these little boxes were you are expected to stay in to follow traditional “masculine/feminine” roles. Such as “men work outside of the home, don’t show emotion and don’t cry.” Women are told “Stay at home, be nurturing and definitely show emotion.” Despite our culture’s insistence that men/women have the right to choose to be everything they want to be in this time, they are sadly mistaken in some ways since the sexes are stuck being defined as having to act a certain way. In many ways, it comes down to what one defines as “masculine/feminine,” NOT what sex one is.

 

[Xantippe]

Warren Farrell’s book THE MYTH OF MALE POWER may dispel some of your conceptions.

And it is not so much that males lack “privilege” so much that they if indeed male privilege exists, then it has failed miserably. Under male privilege/patriarchy, we still have “women and children first.” **Under the same system we also have the divorce courts saying “Forget the man! The woman will get the children and most everything else because she is the more important parent----besides, she is victim of patriarchy!”
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Is that really how divorce works nowadays?

I feel like that one of the issues that that picture leaves out is that there is a lot of non-marital childbearing going on right now. 40% of all births in the US are to unmarried women.

cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/unmarried-childbearing.htm

In this environment, an unmarried father is going to be unavoidably at a disadvantage with regard to having a role in his children’s life if/when the relationship with the mother dissolves, particularly since he’s likely to have other ongoing problems in his life (low income, incomplete education, sporadic employment, possible criminal record, whatever).

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Is that really how divorce works nowadays?

I feel like that one of the issues that that picture leaves out is that there is a lot of non-marital childbearing going on right now. 40% of all births in the US are to unmarried women.

cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/unmarried-childbearing.htm

In this environment, an unmarried father is going to be unavoidably at a disadvantage with regard to having a role in his children’s life if/when the relationship with the mother dissolves, particularly since he’s likely to have other ongoing problems in his life (low income, incomplete education, sporadic employment, possible criminal record, whatever).

Unmarried fathers usually don’t have any rights to the child even if they are on the birth certificate, even if they pay child support unless they pursue rights to custody. And many don’t. They don’t need a lawyer to do this either, but unless someone else is pushing them (usually grandparents of the baby) they don’t do it. And it’s usually for the reasons cited in Xantippe’s post. I see a lot of custody and visitation cases and I don’t see any favoring of women that is unfair to men. I do think it’s unfair to the children when an abuser gets custody and unsupervised visitation before being required to seek help for chem dep, mental health, anger management, and even parenting skills.

For what it’s worth the number of parents I see with CPS case open it’s about 60-40% moms and dads respectively, maybe 65-35. There are more moms because often the father is out of the picture completely, either in prison, AWOL, or has signed over parental rights. But if the father wants custodial rights he may have to fight for them. A friend of a friend had to take the mother of his child to court to establish his rights and asked for and was granted full physical and legal custody. He’s a good dad and even his ex-wife vouched for him. I hear a lot of men complaining that the mom is favored but they don’t factor in their own violent, abusive behavior and it isn’t just evident in a protection order or police report.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Do you consider yourself successful? Have you set goals and reached them? Do you feel like you can comfortably and confidently interact with others? You don’t have to answer; just something to think about. It seems that most of the men featured in the film would have to answer ‘no’ to those questions if they were being honest.

I mean, c’mon. When the Pope, who leads the world’s largest patriarchal organization (I don’t say that disparagingly, but it is a fact. The Church is led exclusively by men and the Pope is chosen exclusively by men) that has consistently stood against almost every modern feminist position (birth control, abortion, women in leadership, etc) is called a “white knight”…well, the issue is not with the Pope.

The issue is with 3rd Wave Feminism and thinking that stuff actually works.

 

[SuperLuigi]

A report from the first national gathering of MRA’s

Sex with 13 and younger is pedophilia.

That article is just a hit-job and an ad hominem.

 

[SuperLuigi]

BlueEyedLady;14687188]Totally not a politically correct thing to say, but…

Call the thought police! Call the admin! Call the government! Call the Marines! :bluelite::takeoff:

It takes a certain kind of man to look around and think that in** a world where men outnumber women in virtually every national government and international governing body, **in the highest echelons of business and entertainment, and where men lead every major religion, men are somehow held down, oppressed, and face large-scale discrimination at the hands of unnamed, shadowy “feminists”.

A big reason for that is A+ atheists/skeptics and liberals with their right-wing, traditional excuse-making allies virtue-signal to socialist dictators and radical Islam, not because of men’s rights activists who are focused on domestic issues because women have in many been given special preference in the legal justice system.

And if nothing else, The Red Pill confirmed that these guys are exactly as handsome, motivated, successful, and charming as I imagined.

Personal preferences = anecdotal evidence

 

[Walking_Home]

Walking_Home:

A report from the first national gathering of MRA’s

Sex with 13 and younger is pedophilia.

That article is just a hit-job and an ad hominem.

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Not surprising/un-expected for you to say that.

 

[SuperLuigi]

One of the big problems with MRAs/Red Pill guys/MGTOWs is that they only want to talk about issues that they feel like they can blame women for.

Wrong! Tommy Sotomayor will talk about any topic with anyone anywhere.

And he’s not the only one.

Really, to reduce MGTOWs to just mere complainers is absurd.

Did you even see the movie?

 

[SuperLuigi]

I can’t even find a case of these boogeyman feminists shutting down a domestic violence shelter for men in the first place.

Well, I mean, there’s so many to choose from.

rawstory.com/2016/02/first-of-its-kind-domestic-violence-shelter-for-all-male-victims-opens-in-arkansas/

 

[edwest2]

Do you consider yourself successful? Have you set goals and reached them? Do you feel like you can comfortably and confidently interact with others? You don’t have to answer; just something to think about. It seems that most of the men featured in the film would have to answer ‘no’ to those questions if they were being honest.

I mean, c’mon. When the Pope, who leads the world’s largest patriarchal organization (I don’t say that disparagingly, but it is a fact. The Church is led exclusively by men and the Pope is chosen exclusively by men) that has consistently stood against almost every modern feminist position (birth control, abortion, women in leadership, etc) is called a “white knight”…well, the issue is not with the Pope.

If you find that literally the whole world is the problem, maybe it’s time to look inward and ask yourself what’s really going on.

Thanks for explaining every modern feminist position. The Church won’t be changing it’s mind. As far as women in leadership, what does that mean? A woman cuts down a tree instead of a man. So? A woman starts and owns a business. And that means what?

Ed

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Well, I mean, there’s so many to choose from.

rawstory.com/2016/02/first-of-its-kind-domestic-violence-shelter-for-all-male-victims-opens-in-arkansas/

That’s already been addressed by other posters. The assertion that feminists shut them down was at least incorrect, if not dishonest. Like others pointed out, nothing is stopping these guys from getting off the computer and taking action.

But, it’s easier to lay blame on “feminists” from behind a keyboard than to do something. The total lack of self-efficacy is another reason why I think these groups appeal to the demographic I described earlier.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’ll always wonder where the phrase “red pill” came from. Thanks for the explanation!

If you’re really going to buy that explanation…

The red pill is a term used loosely for those who basically just think for themselves. It varies along that fundamental premise and its use has been around before this movie and before feminism split the atheist community.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, folks, you need to learn some of this stuff STAT because a lot of people in general) have been incessantly complaining about how the marriage issue went south, and this is a front of the culture war that is happening NOW.

Also, (having briefly forgotten which forum I was posting on), if you’re going to go buy what one or two people say on here, you’re not getting enough info.

Look at @girlwriteswhat (Karen Straughn) on twitter and google Dr. Jordan P Peterson, Christina Hof-Sommers, Cassie Jaye, and Camile Pagila to start.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Thanks for explaining every modern feminist position. The Church won’t be changing it’s mind. As far as women in leadership, what does that mean? A woman cuts down a tree instead of a man. So? A woman starts and owns a business. And that means what?

Ed

I’m not asking the church to change, it’s a private organization. I just illustrated why the problem doesn’t lie with a Pope who is determined to hold Western men down while advancing women.

 

[SuperLuigi]

BlueEyedLady;14690076]That’s already been addressed by other posters. The assertion that feminists shut them down was at least incorrect, if not dishonest. Like others pointed out, nothing is stopping these guys from getting off the computer and taking action.

What kind of action? They’ve already been to court. Should they have an armed revolt or something?

Of course the feminists haven’t shut them down----they weren’t even open to begin with!

But, it’s easier to lay blame on “feminists” from behind a keyboard than to do something. The total lack of self-efficacy is another reason why I think these groups appeal to the demographic I described earlier.

Complete hogwash and really a borderline ad hominem.

A lot of these men are rendered powerless by the courts and by social institutions dominated by the PC culture which will destroy what is now called the First World.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

What kind of action? They’ve already been to court. Should they have an armed revolt or something?

Of course the feminists haven’t shut them down----they weren’t even open to begin with!

Complete hogwash and really a borderline ad hominem.

A lot of these men are rendered powerless by the courts and by social institutions dominated by the PC culture which will destroy what is now called the First World.

Yes, I’m sure that’s why there aren’t domestic violence shelters for men on every corner.. The courts just keep shutting them down.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Well, I mean, there’s so many to choose from.

rawstory.com/2016/02/first-of-its-kind-domestic-violence-shelter-for-all-male-victims-opens-in-arkansas/

There may not be gender specific shelters for men but that doesn’t mean that shelter and other resources are unavailable to them. A shelter I worked at provided assistance to men and their children, as well as women. I see a lot of references to “women’s shelters” (usually in the context of donations to them) but that’s always struck me as incomplete; domestic violence shelter is more accurate. Every shelter or victim advocacy organization is different and many are funded to help women and men who are victims of domestic violence or sexual assault. That shelter was not the only one in the state so I know assistance was available state-wide.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Yes, I’m sure that’s why there aren’t domestic violence shelters for men on every corner.. The courts just keep shutting them down.

That’s not what I said. You can’t shut down something that never existed in the first place.

 

[SuperLuigi]

There may not be gender specific shelters for men but that doesn’t mean that shelter and other resources are unavailable to them. A shelter I worked at provided assistance to men and their children, as well as women. I see a lot of references to “women’s shelters” (usually in the context of donations to them) but that’s always struck me as incomplete; domestic violence shelter is more accurate. Every shelter or victim advocacy organization is different and many are funded to help women and men who are victims of domestic violence or sexual assault. That shelter was not the only one in the state so I know assistance was available state-wide.

The idea that men who are abused can just walk into a woman’s shelter is absurd for various reasons, and some of them valid, such as the fact that some men may compromise the security of battered women who are there.

Also, please do not attempt to minimize this problem-------if you have evidence, show me and not anecdotally.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

That’s not what I said. You can’t shut down something that never existed in the first place.

Yes, we’ve covered that. The OP asserted that feminists shut them down.

Now you’re complaining that men can’t open them because of feminists and political correctness.

Like we said earlier, nothing is stopping men from opening them, like there are already homeless shelters specifically for men. Or they could start a hotline, or a chat line.

Again, we’re back to a lack of motivation and self-efficacy.

 

[SuperLuigi]

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Not surprising/un-expected for you to say that.

If you’re trying to sell the idea that the left cares about pedophiles, I’d like to know why they are silent on Muslim child brides in Europe.

But either way it’s off-topic and an attempt to avoid the issue because there is no counterargument.