The Red Pill: How radical feminism is demeaning to men

[AdamP88]

Wrong! Tommy Sotomayor will talk about any topic with anyone anywhere.

And he’s not the only one.

Really, to reduce MGTOWs to just mere complainers is absurd.

Did you even see the movie?

But they are just complainers. They don’t actually act to address the issues the y “highlight”. Their activity is mostly confined to complaining on forums and blogs such as Dalrock that basically are a glorified bitching session about how bad women are.

From what I can see it’s mostly men who’ve had limited success with women that are attracted to this movement. And bitter divorced men.

 

[Walking_Home]

If you’re trying to sell the idea that the left cares about pedophiles, I’d like to know why they are silent on Muslim child brides in Europe.

But either way it’s off-topic and an attempt to avoid the issue because there is no counterargument.

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Again – not surprising.

 

[Walking_Home]

Here is shelter for men in Dallas Tx. Prior to opening a shelter dedicated to men – the Family Place – house the men in hotels.

How did this go under the “radar” of the evil feminists.

dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/05/23/dallas-family-place-opens-first-texas-shelter-for-battered-men/

ALLAS (CBDFW.COM) – The Family Place opened the first shelter in Texas dedicated specifically for male victims of domestic violence.

The shelter has 21 beds and provides private rooms to accommodate men with children.

“The Family Place believes that everyone should feel safe in their own home, regardless of gender,” said Paige Flink, CEO of The Family Place. “We have seen an increasing need for this in our community and want to provide services specifically tailored to this group.”

Signs Of An Abusive Relationship

Since 1978 The Family Place has provided family violence services to women,** men** and children as the largest family violence agency in the Dallas area. The public education effort by the Dallas Mayor’s Office, the Dallas Police Department Lethality Assessment Program, the Dallas Domestic Violence Task Force and advocacy groups has increased awareness and resources surrounding men as domestic violence victims.

In 2016 The Family Place provided shelter for 32 men and nonresidential services to 50 men. Until now, men and their children were housed in hotels where they were provided counseling and meals. A combination of financial and therapeutic responsibility led The Family Place executive officers and board to create a designated space for the underserved group of domestic violence victims.

24-Hour Crisis Hotline

Research shows that it’s significantly more difficult for male victims to leave their abusers due to social expectations, fear of leaving children with their abusers, or feeling the legal system has minimized their abuse claims, according to the organization. Services for male domestic violence victims have steadily increased at The Family Place, and the agency foresees the need continuing to grow.

“We hope to provide these men with the respect and resources they deserve to live empowered, positive
lives,” Flink continued.

Along with safe shelter, counseling and emergency relief services, clients will have access to case management, childcare, healthcare, legal aid, transitional housing and rental assistance. All programs are provided in Spanish and English.

Access to The Family Place shelters and other resources is available by calling the 24-Hour Hotline (214) 941.1991.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

The idea that men who are abused can just walk into a woman’s shelter is absurd for various reasons, and some of them valid, such as the fact that some men may compromise the security of battered women who are there.

Also, please do not attempt to minimize this problem-------if you have evidence, show me and not anecdotally.

First of all, if it’s a domestic violence shelter, no one is walking into the actual shelter, they would meet with an advocate. The shelter I worked at did not shelter men onsite but offered safe homes and safe hotels. Men can call the National Domestic Violence Hotline and be directed to a shelter or agency that assists men. As DarkLight said, men typically don’t need shelter but there are resources including shelter, legal advocacy, financial assistance for them. If more is needed it needs to be a grassroots effort just like women’s shelters and rape crisis centers were and still are. Sorry, I won’t list all the agencies in my state and that’s what I have access to right now.

 

[DarkLight]

The family place website states that “men are housed in a safe location off campus.”

Typically domestic violence shelters don’t publicize their location, so you can’t just walk into one. This is to prevent an abuser from going to shelters looking for their victim. You speak to an advocate who would then arrange transportation to wherever you are being housed.

 

[edwest2]

Yes, I’m sure that’s why there aren’t domestic violence shelters for men on every corner.. The courts just keep shutting them down.

I see a lot more homeless men than women.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

Speaking of men’s issues–how about the issue that once a guy reaches around 50, his continued employment gets very dicey in a lot of industries?

You see this during recessions–get laid off and face unemployment and underemployment until retirement age.

Or how about the issue that with outsourcing, overseas imports, and mechanization, there’s less and less of a chance for unskilled male laborers to earn a middle class income?

Or how about the problem of older men being socially isolated and suffering disproportionately after bereavement?

wbur.org/onpoint/2017/03/23/men-middle-age-friendship

One of the big problems with MRAs/Red Pill guys/MGTOWs is that they only want to talk about issues that they feel like they can blame women for.

That last sentence is hogwash. I do blame radical feminists for turning men into sexual playthings to be discarded at whim, and that’s why some men avoid cohabitation. And women. My few lady friends are not radical feminists.

Ed

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I see a lot more homeless men than women.

Ed

And there are lots of homeless shelters out there, some exclusively for men. They haven’t been protested out of existence or shut down by feminists.

But the complaint being addressed right now is the lack of men’s domestic violence shelters, so you’re really just changing the subject.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

That last sentence is hogwash. I do blame radical feminists for turning men into sexual playthings to be discarded at whim, and that’s why some men avoid cohabitation. And women. My few lady friends are not radical feminists.

Ed

And earlier in the thread you were blaming feminists for men using women as playthings.

Totally proving my point about the men who fall into this type of thinking lacking all responsibility, confidence, and self efficacy.

 

[edwest2]

The issue is with 3rd Wave Feminism and thinking that stuff actually works.

What is “3rd Wave Feminism”?

Ed

 

[edwest2]

I’m not asking the church to change, it’s a private organization. I just illustrated why the problem doesn’t lie with a Pope who is determined to hold Western men down while advancing women.

The Pope is doing no such thing.

Ed

 

[BlueEyedLady]

The Pope is doing no such thing.

Ed

That’s what I said.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I see a lot more homeless men than women.

Ed

Homeless shelters and domestic violence shelters are two different things and the subject was dv shelters. Some homeless shelters won’t take dv victims if there is space at a dv shelter. People can’t staqy at a dv shelter if they are just homeless; the space is reserved for those fleeing a dangerous situation.

So aside from that why do you think there are more homeless men than women?

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Homeless shelters and domestic violence shelters are two different things and the subject was dv shelters. Some homeless shelters won’t take dv victims if there is space at a dv shelter. People can’t staqy at a dv shelter if they are just homeless; the space is reserved for those fleeing a dangerous situation.

So aside from that why do you think there are more homeless men than women?

Surely it makes more sense to blame the economy/government for that rather than women.

 

[SuperLuigi]

=AdamPeter;14690199]But they are just complainers. They don’t actually act to address the issues the y “highlight”. Their activity is mostly confined to complaining on forums and blogs such as Dalrock that basically are a glorified bitching session about how bad women are.

Some probably are just complaining and even overcompensating. However, others such as Tommy Sotomayor make devastatingly accurate points.

The reaction of the regressive left to what he and others say is enough to know they see the fundamentals as threat to their agenda.

From what I can see it’s mostly men who’ve had limited success with women that are attracted to this movement. And bitter divorced men.

If that’s what you think, you’re not listening or looking closely enough.

Limited success with women? Do you even know what goes on with college campuses in America today? That alone is reason enough for men not to want to risk going near a woman who can just cry out “rape” and get the guy in trouble.

Also, if you’re looking to score brownie points with radical feminists over this, boy are you in for a surprise.

 

[SuperLuigi]

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Again – not surprising.

Next time, just wave the white flag.

 

[SuperLuigi]

What is “3rd Wave Feminism”?

Ed

In short, third-wave feminism is feminism that has been co-opted by post-modern parameters.

In other words it wants to destroy the patriarchy, which since it doesn’t exist in exact terms is just a code word for eliminating the value of the nuclear family which is the fundamental idea of post-modernism. That and the idea of what we now call the First World is a giant blunder.

It’s also a movement that relies on censorship, especially on college campuses and on social media which some of the larger monopolies are happy to go along with as much as they can get away with. Anyone with a significant to moderate platform who is to the right of Bernie Sanders has been affected. I know one guy whose Youtube revenue has dropped over 60% because of it.

This is a very poisonous philosophy. I don’t think the VAST majority of people over 35 really have any clue as to what is going on or the culture war that is being fought by their kids (really as young as 12-13) on-line and at school. They’re still too worried about their kids and grand-kids hearing a swear word from a mainstream conservative while the far left is indoctrinating them with the idea that the only way forward is to bust the nuclear family and that straight white men must admit their privilege or I guess be punished (or worse) by the state.

Make no mistake, this is extraordinarily dangerous territory and the same psychology that gave us Communist Russia, China & Pol Pot and killed more people that the Axis Powers did.

 

[SuperLuigi]

=Xantippe;14689416]Speaking of men’s issues–how about the issue that once a guy reaches around 50, his continued employment gets very dicey in a lot of industries?

You see this during recessions–get laid off and face unemployment and underemployment until retirement age.

Or how about the issue that with outsourcing, overseas imports, and mechanization, there’s less and less of a chance for unskilled male laborers to earn a middle class income?

Or how about the problem of older men being socially isolated and suffering disproportionately after bereavement?

wbur.org/onpoint/2017/03/23/men-middle-age-friendship

One of the big problems with MRAs/Red Pill guys/MGTOWs is that they only want to talk about issues that they feel like they can blame women for.

That’s baloney and just an excuse to not engage.

The fact is MRAs/MGTOWs along with free-speech atheists and the red-pill conservatarians are on the front lines of a culture war most people over 35 are totally clueless about, you know, the people who were “surprised” when so-called gay “marriage” was forced down everyone’s throats.

Want that to happen again?

Fact is MGTOWs and some MRAs may have a ridiculous, untenable platform in some cases, but people turn to them because quite frankly Catholic/Christian parents and Church leaders with rare exception are not tackling these issues head-on.

So really, give credit where it’s due.

As far as the issues you talked about, why do you think Brexit happened and the Americans voted they way they did in 2016?

Those are the problems that men (and women) have been facing for years. They haven’t been ignoring them, but the MRAs and MGTOWs have come in the direct firing line of 3rd-wave feminism.

Finally, it’s not just men who are MRAs or MGTOWs. Karen Straughn has been very vocal on these issues and has put out some really strong material in Canada.

 

[DarkLight]

I’m always surprised by people who talk about how easy it is to accuse someone from rape. When I was sexually assaulted, the general reaction I got was “well, it’s unfortunate you feel that way, but you really can’t expect a guy who wants you to not do that.” It was very much a “boys will be boys” message - basically you shouldn’t be alone with a man unless you want to have sex, because you can’t expect men to control themselves. Plenty of the whole “well what were you wearing, did you come on to him, why were you alone with him”, that sort of thing. Heck, I wasn’t even taken seriously by mental health professionals a lot of the time. There was also a definite implication that I was somehow “impure” based on the assumption that I must have done something to cause it.

And I’m hardly the only modern woman I know with an experience like that. So it’s not all as simple as a woman

 

[starshiptrooper]

Times have changed then. I doubt anyone asked Mattress Girl what she was wearing.