The Red Pill: How radical feminism is demeaning to men

[starshiptrooper]

50 bucks those would eventually come with exemptions for Islam.

Do you prefer cash or a check? A German court recently acquitted a rapefugee because cultural differences prevented him from having the requisite mens rea for rape.

That kind of thinking is what is destroying the West, not atheists, not Muslims, not terrorists.

I concur, these are the symptoms, that manner of thinking is the disease.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Your argument against Sotomayor is extremely weak, BlueEyedLady. This is now a waste of time for me as you evidently as you are not willing to even investigate beyond Google search.

I have to say I am really disappointed. This is not what I expected from a respectable atheist on CAF.

And yes, it is a defense (and a good one given your response) because he makes a lot of good points and says things that pretty much everyone thinks but is too afraid to say. Just because I listen to him doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says.

I just find it interesting that someone who is so worried about Western society and moral decay promotes someone so hateful, and then defends it with “But he’s willing to sleep with them!” and “He says ugly things about everyone!”

Those statements, as well as Tommy Sotomayor’s, stand on their own. You can’t have it both ways; you either stand for “values” or you look the other way on ugliness and hate just so long as it’s directed at groups you’ve deemed undesirable, but you can’t do both.

Fortunately, after a number of years on this forum, I’m confident even the most devout and conservative posters share that view.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Is there any compelling evidence of feminists wanting to harm men or destroy things such as the traditional family?

Yes. In fact one feminist at an academic meeting once said that we should force religious institutions to perform so-called gay “marriage” ceremonies but had to “tone down” the research so it could published.

youtube.com/watch?v=CsFjcIchyKw

youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcg8BMbr-0

youtube.com/watch?v=MPojltjv4M0

If you really want to know what is going on, you’ll have to go beyond google and read Explaining Post-modernism from Rousseau to Forcault by Stephen Hicks. I also suggest looking at more of Jordan Peterson’s videos on Youtube.

I don’t doubt that men face some serious struggles but could it not just be an unintended consequence of societal changes such as the decline of manual well paid jobs and changes to the education system?

If you’re talking about the USA, we need more people in manual well-paid jobs which they can get by going to trade school. Otherwise, the jobs like coal mining that have been shut down are due mostly to government over-regulation, and that’s putting it mildly.

I don’t know what changes in education you are referring to. Structurally, it’s the same as it was in the industrial revolution except that college administrators and diversity directors have an inordinate amount of power.

 

[starshiptrooper]

You would think, but street crimes like that are far more common in areas where people have less money; walking down Wall Street is actually pretty safe. Just like rape is more common in areas where women are strictly controlled and covered, think Saudi Arabia.

Ceteris paribus, but I thought that was obvious since I said nothing about location.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Is there any compelling evidence of feminists wanting to harm men or destroy things such as the traditional family? I don’t doubt that men face some serious struggles but could it not just be an unintended consequence of societal changes such as the decline of manual well paid jobs and changes to the education system?

I don’t buy the job shortage; there’s a skills and work gap. We need thousands of plumbers, steel workers, HVAC techs, welders, and bricklayers, and these jobs are going unfilled and driving up the cost of labor - they also require work on site and can’t be outsourced. Part of of it is the loss of vocational training in many high schools, which is a huge disservice to students, and the other part is the culture surrounding work has changed. Ask any contractor or union recruiter; even though these jobs pay very well, it’s nearly impossible to find young people willing to work the hours and in the conditions the positions require.

 

[SuperLuigi]

You would think, but street crimes like that are far more common in areas where people have less money; walking down Wall Street is actually pretty safe. Just like rape is more common in areas where women are strictly controlled and covered, think Saudi Arabia.

He’s talking dress, you’re talking location. If you dressed like you worked on Wall Street on the South Side, you’re making yourself a target.

In Saudi Arabia it is easier to rape women because of the male dominance and the legal structure under sharia the entire legal system is stacked against them.

In other words, they know they can get away with it.

 

[DarkLight]

I don’t buy the job shortage; there’s a skills and work gap. We need thousands of plumbers, steel workers, HVAC techs, welders, and bricklayers, and these jobs are going unfilled and driving up the cost of labor - they also require work on site and can’t be outsourced. Part of of it is the loss of vocational training in many high schools, which is a huge disservice to students, and the other part is the culture surrounding work has changed. Ask any contractor or union recruiter; even though these jobs pay very well, it’s nearly impossible to find young people willing to work the hours and in the conditions the positions require.

I think this is a lot of it. I taught at a college that had a lot of students who weren’t particularly academically inclined. I thought a lot of them were not being well served by going to college - they could have used a few years in the working world, or trade school. But our society is set up so that trades are for people who aren’t “good enough” for college.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Yes. In fact one feminist at an academic meeting once said that we should force religious institutions to perform so-called gay “marriage” ceremonies but had to “tone down” the research so it could published.

youtube.com/watch?v=CsFjcIchyKw

youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcg8BMbr-0

youtube.com/watch?v=MPojltjv4M0

If you really want to know what is going on, you’ll have to go beyond google and read Explaining Post-modernism from Rousseau to Forcault by Stephen Hicks. I also suggest looking at more of Jordan Peterson’s videos on Youtube.

If you’re talking about the USA, we need more people in manual well-paid jobs which they can get by going to trade school. Otherwise, the jobs like coal mining that have been shut down are due mostly to government over-regulation, and that’s putting it mildly.

I don’t know what changes in education you are referring to. Structurally, it’s the same as it was in the industrial revolution except that college administrators and diversity directors have an inordinate amount of power.

I don’t doubt that some feminists are vocal about wanting to force gay marriage on churches or bring down the nuclear family but its a bit of a stretch to consider it a conspiracy that is actually having an effect on peoples lives on a wide scale.

I don’t know a lot with regards to the US education system but the UK system does seem to favour females, I don’t know why but there is a gap in exam results and women outnumber men a lot in universities, I don’t know if its better now but when I was at uni the gender imbalance was clearly visible. Maybe its because we start formal schooling early at age 4, a lot of boys struggle with sitting still and become disengaged from education compared to girls who are often more ready at this age. That said there is no evidence of conspiracy. Innocent decisions can have unintended consequences.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

I think this is a lot of it. I taught at a college that had a lot of students who weren’t particularly academically inclined. I thought a lot of them were not being well served by going to college - they could have used a few years in the working world, or trade school. But our society is set up so that trades are for people who aren’t “good enough” for college.

In my experience (started uni in 2006) if you were from a middle class background and reasonably well behaved in school you were funnelled into applying for university. Any degree was seen as better than no degree and there was almost no discussion of other options like work or vocational training. Failing to get into university was seen as the ultimate failure for a middle class 18 year old.

 

[SuperLuigi]

=BlueEyedLady;14702522]I just find it interesting that someone who is so worried about Western society and moral decay promotes someone so hateful, and then defends it with “But he’s willing to sleep with them!” and “He says ugly things about everyone!”

Sotomayor isn’t hateful. He’s entertaining and on point. But then again how would you know since you don’t even bother to watch his content and figure it out for yourself!

And yes------please explain to me how someone who sleeps with Black women and has THREE DAUGHTERS by Black women HATES Black women.

Those statements, as well as Tommy Sotomayor’s, stand on their own. You can’t have it both ways; you either stand for “values” or you look the other way on ugliness and hate just so long as it’s directed at groups you’ve deemed undesirable, but you can’t do both.

This coming from someone who questioned my Catholicity. Hilarious.

Also, I am for freedom of speech. Like I said, just because I disagree with someone, doesn’t meant I shut them out. I’m not one of these Christians who keeps to my own bubble. If I see something or someone interesting, I will listen to what they have to say.

Also, give how many live shows Sotomayor does, his derogatory comments about women are actually not that common.

Finally, if that is your standard, I hope you don’t watch any kind of comedy.

Fortunately, after a number of years on this forum, I’m confident even the most devout and conservative posters share that view.

If true, then Argumentum ad populum

But if they want to know why they are “losing” on marriage or whatever issue, that’s part of the reason.

And I am still disappointed.

 

[SuperLuigi]

In my experience (started uni in 2006) if you were from a middle class background and reasonably well behaved in school you were funnelled into applying for university. Any degree was seen as better than no degree and there was almost no discussion of other options like work or vocational training. Failing to get into university was seen as the ultimate failure for a middle class 18 year old.

Same here!

 

[SuperLuigi]

=ConfusedLucy;14702567]I don’t doubt that some feminists are vocal about wanting to force gay marriage on churches or bring down the nuclear family but its a bit of a stretch to consider it a conspiracy that is actually having an effect on peoples lives on a wide scale.

Okay, Lucy, if you REALLY want to know what is going, you’re going to have watch the videos I posted and look at Hick’s book. Reading my first sentence and then responding with a minute reflection isn’t going to cut it.

No, it is not a stretch because 3rd wave feminists and their allies have the three biggest megaphones in society as D’Souza notes, in academia, media and Hollywood.

I don’t know a lot with regards to the US education system but the UK system does seem to favour females, I don’t know why but there is a gap in exam results and women outnumber men a lot in universities, I don’t know if its better now but when I was at uni the gender imbalance was clearly visible. Maybe its because we start formal schooling early at age 4, a lot of boys struggle with sitting still and become disengaged from education compared to girls who are often more ready at this age. That said there is no evidence of conspiracy. Innocent decisions can have unintended consequences.

First of all, yes, the education system is not built for boys to learn in a good manner. Research has shown that boys do not learn by sitting still so well and need more hands-on activities.

Secondly, the UK government issuing quotas to address the imbalance in the gender was a bad idea. Take Chemistry for example. Chemistry departments had to take an equal number of women. The problem is that a lot of women who went into chemistry didn’t stay-----they went to psychology or the humanities. As a result, many chemistry departments ended up closing.

Third, your argument of “unintended consequences, let’s just leave it at that” is depressing and inaccurate. 3rd wave feminism is working actively to get rid of the nuclear family.

If you’re serious about learning about it, you’re going to have to get beyond trying to reason this out based solely on your personal experiences.

These decisions are now hardly innocent. People, especially those in the media, academia and the political sphere, know exactly what they are doing or what they are enabling.

And they are counting on lack of knowledge so they can keep pushing ahead with their agenda.

 

[edwest2]

avoiceformen.com/feminism/how-feminism-succeeded-in-destroying-family-relationships/

frontpagemag.com/fpm/240037/marxist-feminisms-ruined-lives-mallory-millett

amazon.com/Women-Who-Make-World-Worse/dp/B000GIW43W

Ed

 

[SuperLuigi]

avoiceformen.com/feminism/how-feminism-succeeded-in-destroying-family-relationships/

frontpagemag.com/fpm/240037/marxist-feminisms-ruined-lives-mallory-millett

amazon.com/Women-Who-Make-World-Worse/dp/B000GIW43W

Ed

Excellent resources !

 

[BlueEyedLady]

In my experience (started uni in 2006) if you were from a middle class background and reasonably well behaved in school you were funnelled into applying for university. Any degree was seen as better than no degree and there was almost no discussion of other options like work or vocational training. Failing to get into university was seen as the ultimate failure for a middle class 18 year old.

The flip side is that the people who are funneled into these fields are often deficient in math and/or science and/or English, because it’s assumed they’re “low-skill” positions. They AREN’T, and it’s really hurting a lot of trades when people who lack the skill for it try and wash out.

That’s another thing, we have to bring respect back to blue collar work and stop automatically associating it with low wages or lack of intellect.

Sorry for the rant, but the treatment of tradesmen makes my blood boil.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

That vocational programs are usually for profit doesn’t help either, it makes them look shady. They need to be offered at every community college and many 4 year institutions.

 

[edwest2]

Excellent resources !

Thanks.

Ed

 

[starshiptrooper]

Manosphere “activism” had 0 to do with Trump’s election.

And as far as"life on their own terms", most people who do that don’t spend day in and day out complaining about women online. Try this:. Since you’re a Dalrock fan, doxx a few regulars. Google screen names and match them to real identities (this was easier when WP linked to FB, but if you pay attention to location, it can still be done). Watch the Redpill movie. Go back and look at the posting history of some of the long standing commenters. You’ll walk away with two very clear ideas:…
…Think about it - what respected man wouldn’t find this whole community embarrassing and cringe-worthy both in purpose and in language?

Dalrock is in an awkward position. He lacks power so he cannot effect the changes he wants. He at least tries to be a Christian so he simply cannot go full on red pill and actually enjoy himself. He has a few good points, but the powerlessness shows through in his writing. I prefer Roosh and Rollo, far more practical advice to be found there.

You also touched on another truth of life. Very few people actually want to change when confronted with a harsh truth. They would rather whine about how everyone else is so unfair to them. It may be true that other people were unfair but if you want to change your results, the only thing you can do is change yourself.

You could also replace “women” with “non white people”, too; granted, not all Red Pillers cross over with the Alt-Right but many do, and I suspect for the same underlying reasons. If they can’t feel pride in themselves, they can at least feel pride for being White Men who are supposedly superior in general over every other demographic.

Right, the constant lectures and whining about “white male privilege” have absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Walking_Home]

I’m curious how SL can have such a love affair with Tommy Sotomayor and still consider himself a Catholic. The things this man says about women, and black women in particular, should hurt anyone’s heart.

“Black women are the world’s retarded children” is one of his more mild statements.

A quick Google search shows much worse.

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Yup – there is a video of him going crazy at a black woman over a fender bender. Heck – looking further into this Sotomayor – he’s got “fans” at the white supremacist Stormfront.

 

[Walking_Home]

Thanks.

Ed

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Oh ed – A Voice for Men (Paul Elam) are the ones who put together/held that conference that was reported on back in my post #161. The one with the pedo’s who want to have sex with 12 yr. olds.