The Right to Arm Bears

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It seems to me that we have an obligation to take care of our fellow creatures. Teaching them proper firearm safety would be a way of taking care of them.

However, actually arming them with automatic weapons and providing ammo might NOT work in our own best interests.

Such a moral conundrum we are presented with!
 
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ā€œYou can have my gun when you pull it from my cold dead pawsā€ - Y. Bear
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Yes, as long as they are Care Bears. They would use guns responsibly, and preferably not use them at all.
 
Why arm bears? They can break you in two with their bear arms!

If there is smoke, there is fire ā€¦ then what is there if there is rapid fire?
Smokey the Bear? Gun control, because only you can prevent rapid fire!
 
edwest2 said:
I donā€™t think bears have the needed ability to grasp an assault rifle properly, are terrible at learning things and while they have good hand-eye coordination, would have no clue regarding loading a fresh clip, even if shown a hundred times. And clearing a jam? Forget it.

Peace,

Ed šŸ™‚
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How about making guns more bear friendly? šŸ˜›

My background is in engineering and I am familiar with the human factors approach where the designed product would be optimized for human operation. Instead of human factors we have bear factors.
 
triumphguy said:
Right for who? Them or us?

Or intrinsically right to arm bears?

Actually, come to think of it, nature has her own built in fail safe systems - whenever one population gets too large at the expense of another it collapses - eg., snowy owls and lemmings, or wolves and moose.

We wonā€™t have to arm nature, nature outguns us already.
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True, but picture a grizzly bear armed with a rifle. If that isnā€™t intimidating I donā€™t know what is.

I can think of the headlines now ā€œBear terrorizes tourists in national park with a rifle and steals picnic basket.ā€
 
wynnejj said:
How far does this conspiracy go? How many animals are in on it? God bless America! I hope the bald eagle hasnā€™t turned!

Donā€™t arm bears! You have to respect the natural order of things ā€¦ man on top, animals on the bottom. First, it starts in a little town called Timberline, and before long the animals will revolt all over the nation. ā€¦ the Shaw perspective.
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I say we arm bears. Start a Bear Rifle Association.

They could patrol the national parks for poachers and marijuana growers.
 
God gave creation to man as a gift, and that includes animals.

In the first creation account, God creates things in a specific order. He creates form - heaven and earth and then fills it with seas and land, and then God populates in a specific order. The order in which God populates tells us who serves whom. Plants, then fish and birds, then animals, then man. God creates first those things which are to serve that which he creates last and gives those things to man as a gift for him to care for.

In the second creation account, God lets man name the beasts. Whenever we somone or something recieving a name in the Bible, we should immediately understand that one gets their identity and purpose from the one who gives him his name. Peter gets named by Jesus. Abram gets renamed by God. Joseph gets renamed by Pharoah, and man names the beasts. The beasts therefor get their identity from man, and serve man. As their master, man is to care for them and nurture them, and use them as good stewards of the gifts that they are.

Giving animals the ability to take revenge on man is a perversion of Godā€™s plan for creation. God wants us to be better than the animals. Thatā€™s why he allows us to drink the blood of a man - Christ - and forbade the Israelites to drink the blood of animals. We are to live the life of Christ and not animals.

But the animals are gifts to us, recieve their identity and purpose from us, serve us, and we are to nurture and care for them. Its not the other way around. That is the way God set things up and any attempt to change that is a perfersion of Godā€™s plan.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
God gave creation to man as a gift, and that includes animals.

In the first creation account, God creates things in a specific order. He creates form - heaven and earth and then fills it with seas and land, and then God populates in a specific order. The order in which God populates tells us who serves whom. Plants, then fish and birds, then animals, then man. God creates first those things which are to serve that which he creates last and gives those things to man as a gift for him to care for.

In the second creation account, God lets man name the beasts. Whenever we somone or something recieving a name in the Bible, we should immediately understand that one gets their identity and purpose from the one who gives him his name. Peter gets named by Jesus. Abram gets renamed by God. Joseph gets renamed by Pharoah, and man names the beasts. The beasts therefor get their identity from man, and serve man. As their master, man is to care for them and nurture them, and use them as good stewards of the gifts that they are.

Giving animals the ability to take revenge on man is a perversion of Godā€™s plan for creation. God wants us to be better than the animals. Thatā€™s why he allows us to drink the blood of a man - Christ - and forbade the Israelites to drink the blood of animals. We are to live the life of Christ and not animals.

But the animals are gifts to us, recieve their identity and purpose from us, serve us, and we are to nurture and care for them. Its not the other way around. That is the way God set things up and any attempt to change that is a perfersion of Godā€™s plan.

-Tim-
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Uhh, I donā€™t think it is within our power to give animals the ability to take revenge. This would require the power of abstract reasoning and the ability to grasp the concept of revenge something that we cannot give animals.

This thread was in jest and tongue in cheek, you are taking it way too seriously.
 
Sarcelle said:
Uhh, I donā€™t think it is within our power to give animals the ability to take revenge. This would require the power of abstract reasoning and the ability to grasp the concept of revenge something that we cannot give animals.

This thread was in jest and tongue in cheek, not a theology seminar.
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You got the bonus plan. šŸ˜ƒ

-Tim-
 
Sarcelle said:
Uhh, I donā€™t think it is within our power to give animals the ability to take revenge. This would require the power of abstract reasoning and the ability to grasp the concept of revenge something that we cannot give animals.

This thread was in jest and tongue in cheek, you are taking it way too seriously.
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Sigh, obviously youā€™ve just never seen the true life tragedy of Mighty Joe Youngā€¦ if you had, youā€™d ā€˜like totallyā€™ understand my life long dedication to ensuring our animal friends canā€¦ Wait, sorryā€¦ Just saw something shiny!
 
Sarcelle said:
Uhh, I donā€™t think it is within our power to give animals the ability to take revenge. This would require the power of abstract reasoning and the ability to grasp the concept of revenge something that we cannot give animals.

This thread was in jest and tongue in cheek, you are taking it way too seriously.
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Actually, Tigers are known to take revenge.

I think what he meant was to give animals the MEANS to take revenge since some of them already possess the wherewithal to do so if given the proper means and training!
 
Truthstalker said:
Given that animals are endangered and man is their worst enemy, would it be wrong to furnish them with automatic weapons and ammo? If no, please explain. Likewise, if yes.
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as a resident of West Virginia, i can tell you animals as a whole are not endangered. given two or three seasons without thinning the population, the state would quickly become overrun between the deer and elk alone (recently introduced to the ecosystem) due to the decidedly low number of living natural predators
 
The other problem is bears donā€™t know how to clean their weapons. They just drop them in the dirt.

Ed šŸ™‚
 
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