Because people have a choice whether they wish to use more modern language or not.The school is confusing my child about how to say the Rosary.
We just got in the habit of saying it correctly and now she is all mixed up.
They teach her to say You and Your for the Thy and Thou parts.
WHY?
At Mass there aren’t multiple ways of saying it because because it’s in the missal. At home, I suppose you could say it however you want, though most Catholics will probably say it the way they’re accustomed to at Mass.Do people have a choice to use modern language with the Our Father?
When we’re at Mass we pray as a body so there isn’t an option to make it up as we go along. When we’re praying privately, there is no wrong way to pray.I would not even tell her she can say the Our Father any way she likes if she is not in Mass!
I think that will lead to a lot of her making things up as she sees fit.
Not in the Mass, because the texts of the Mass are definitive and not supposed to be deviated from, but in private prayer there’s nothing wrong with saying ‘Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come …’Do people have a choice to use modern language with the Our Father?
Don’t forget, the Our Father wasn’t written in English. The original language was Greek, so what we use is already a translation. Further, ALL language changes over time, and there have been several distinct versions of the English language. It’s perfectly correct to use “thee” and “thy”, but since nobody’s used Early Modern English since Shakespeare’s time, a modern translation would use “you” and “your”. By the way, it would also be perfectly correct to use the Old English or Middle English translations from 1000 years ago, although the language has changed so much that I doubt anyone would understand much of it. Undoubtedly, in another 500 years, there will be yet another English translation. New English translations simply help a new generation to understand the prayer as clearly as possible.
The Rosary first came to be popular in the 900s AD, so the prayers they used would have been said in an older form of English.
Like I said, “newer” LOL!
6:9 Οὕτως οὖν προσεύχεσθε ὑμεῖς:
Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐω τοῖς οὐρανοῖς
ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου
6:10 ἐλθέτω ἡ βασιλεία σου
γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου
ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς
6:11 τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δὸς ἡμῖν σήμερον
6:12 καὶ ἄφες ἡμῖν τὰ ὀφειλήματα ἡμῶν,
ὡς καὶ ἡμεῖς ἀφήκαμεν1 τοῖς ὀφειλέταις ἡμῶν
6:13 καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν,
ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ.Fader ure ðatt art in hevene blisse,
Ðin hege name itt wurðe bliscedd,
Cumen itt mote ði kingdom,
Ðin hali wil it be al don,
In heven and in erðe all so,
So itt sall ben ful wel ic to;
Gif us alle one ðis dai,
Ure bred of iche dai,
And forgive us ure sinne,
Als we don ure wiðerwinnes:
Leet us noct in fondlinge fall,
Ooc fro ivel ðu sild us alle. Amen.Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be Thy name,
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.Our Father, who is in heaven, (sometimes just "Our Father in heaven")
hallowed be your name,
Your kingdom come,
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our sins (sometimes trespasses is retained),
as we forgive those who sin (sometimes trespass is retained) against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.I like this one a lot. I do tend to view sins as direct debts not just to those I sin against, but to God and I do feel I am to be reminded of this debt, even if forgiven so I remember to be forgiving myself, unless I waive my right to seek forgiveness myself!
