The Rosary is NOT the Way

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“It’s interesting that the majority of the people who sympathise with the OP admit that they do not say the Rosary”
Not me. I never said any such thing, and I haven’t noticed anyone else who has made any such “admission.”

I practice a great many devotions. Although many experts in spirituality advise against it, I find my spiritual life nourished by balancing the various aspects of my Catholic faith, by knowing which devotions are more spiritually and psychologically helpful for different situations.

When I make my weekly Holy Hour at midnight, I start with that day’s Office of Readings and Vespers, if I haven’t said them yet. Throughout the hour, I say a Marian Rosary, a Divine Mercy Chaplet, a Jesus Rosary, a Moleben, Akathist and/or Paraklesis (with a reading from the Gospel), and close with Compline for the day. I also spend some time in interior silence, and I spend some time offering my petitions to Our Lord.

On Sundays, I try to say as many devotions as possible to make the Lord’s day holy.
On other days of the week, I try to say at least one formal prayer. C. S. Lewis says our greatest danger is not lust, but greed: we allow greed and ambitio nto take over our lives, so we don’t make enough time for God.

I always try to prioritize the Divine Office in my life. If I only give myself 15 minutes for prayer, and I have my breviary “handy,” I say the office. Definitely, when it comes to family prayer, our first stop is to say the Office together. After we’ve said the Office together, and read Scripture together, if we have time as a family to pray some more, then we say the Rosary,

Or, if it’s the middle of the night, and I’m walking the dog, then I say my Rosary.

This has nothing to do with minimizing the Rosary or minimizing the role of Our Lady. The impression was falsely created by the OP’s unfortunate emphasis in his title.

But many of the posts here point to the very problem the OP was getting at: the Phariseeical devotion to the Rosary that makes some Catholics so judgemental.

As a Latin Catholic with Byzantine ancestry and “leanings,” I have found great wealth in studying my Eastern heritage. I find my own spirituality somewhere in the middle. But I also know how deeply it hurts our Eastern brethren when Latin Rite Catholics “force” the Rosary on them–as was once done “officially” in the period known as “Latinization”, and as often happens in daily conversation.

Yet my words in this regard have been ignored. To some people, the Rosary is apparently the only way to be devoted to Mary. According to the pious quotations from saints above, anyone who does not honor Mary is going to Hell (this would seem to go against Catholic teaching regarding baptism by desire).

There are many ways to honor our Blessed Mother in our rich Catholic tradition, and it is not right to judge those who choose to honor her differently and accuse them of being Protestants in spirit.

The “Rosary” as we know it was officially defined in the 16th century but dates back to St. Dominic (1170-1221). One of the greatest Marian saints of all, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, the composer of the Memorare, died 17 years before St. Dominic’s birth. There was no “rosary”–at least in the form we know it–when St. Bernard lived.

No one here is saying that one should not say the Rosary. The question is whether one puts the Rosary above other necessities in the spiritual life, or, more importantly, whether one uses the Rosary as a means of feeling superior over other Catholics, creating stumbling blocks for them.

On the topic of ecumenism: “Protestant” Fr. Frank Pavone has pointed to the insistence of Catholic pro-lifers on saying the Rosary as a cause of division in the Pro-Life movement, and he has suggested several times that Catholics start using the Divine Office at prayer vigils so we can pray in a way that is most authentically Catholic and more accessible to our Protestant brethren.

In public, when someone sees me with my rosary, their usual response is, “Is that some kind of good luck charm?” If I try to explain the Rosary, it goes over their heads . If they see me with a breviary, they say, “That’s an interesting looking Bible.” I say, “It’s actually not a Bible. It’s the Divine Office.” “What’s that?” “It’s an ancient Catholic prayer service based upon the Psalms.” I then go on to explain it, and it proves a fruitful moment of evangelization.
 
What he is doing is serving the devil by trying to discourage people from praying the Rosary, he is working AGAINST Our Lady and speaking of the Holy Rosary as if it is just another prayer, which is is not!

Would you prefer those people who you are so quick to condemn to not pray at all?

Do you think it would be better to not pray the rosary at all than to pray it bad? We all started out bad its only through practice that you get better, this thread will do nothing other than convince such poor souls, beginners in the spiritual life to give up in despair, when if thye had just persevered they would have come to the deeper mysteries of mental prayer contained in the Holy Rosary in time.

Perseverance in prayer is the very foundation of the spiritual life, and this thread undermines those foundations.
This is nonsense! St. Louis de Montfort said that it would be better to pray a single Hail Mary well, than to pray the entire rosary badly. Yes, I have read the Secret of the Rosary and True Devotion and they are beautiful works by a marvelous saint, but they are not the Gospel. No Catholic is obligated to accept anything in these writings except what is a part of the Deposit of Faith. There is nothing in Scripture or the teachings of the Early Church that make devotion to Mary a requirement for salvation and certainly the Rosary is not necessary. I pray the Rosary because it is helpful to me, but I will not condemn someone who doesn’t share that experience and finds other forms of prayer helpful.
 
Against my better judgment, I’ll weigh in on this subject briefly, and then step back to wait for the stones to fly.

I’m a former Protestant, in the process of finding the fullest expression of my Christian faith in the Catholic Church. My fiance and I are joining together during this upcoming Easter Vigil, God willing.

Although he and I agree on basic Marian dogma (we both firmly and faithfully assent to that which the church requires for belief), we have very different experiences with the Rosary. First, let me make this clear: I believe in Mary’s Immaculate Conception, her Perpetual Virginity, her title of Theotokos (or “God-bearer” or “Mother of God”), and her Assumption into Heaven. I believe that she is an icon of the Church, the preeminent Saint, and worthy of our honor and veneration. I believe that Jesus gave her to us as our Mother, I assent to her title “Queen of Heaven” (and the other titles the church uses for her). I readily defend the Marian dogmas to my Protestant Mother and other Protestants who ask. I will admit that I am uncomfortable with some private practices related to Marian devotion, but I attempt to not judge the hearts or minds of those who do perform these. I am sure that their consciences are clean and I’ll leave deciding the “rightness” or “wrongness” of these devotions to God and Mary. I am willing to admit that I am probably wrong in feeling uncomfortable with them, but its going to take some more time with God before that is going to go away.

My fiance loves the Rosary. He would probably agree with just about everything that was said here in praise of the Rosary (except when people suggest that it is the only or best way to Jesus). For him, it is a beautiful meditation on the life of Christ and his mother.

The Rosary isn’t my primary devotion. I find that I receive more graces from praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet, or any number of other prayers (spontaneous ones, those of the saints, and words of scripture) than from praying the Rosary. While I still pray the Rosary on occasion, it just isn’t how God has chosen to speak to me. I won’t stop trying, nor will I stop trying new ways to pray it, but I find it both offensive and counterproductive to see so many people jumping on those who feel this way. My great grandma T. loved her rosary and our Mother Mary, but she never once condemned me for not praying mine. More than once in reading this thread, I have felt just that from some of you.

Please open your eyes and see that many people here are NOT condemning or criticizing those of you who love the Rosary. We’re happy for you. We don’t wish you to stop praying it. Many of us have even said that we will continue trying to pray it with you. But please recognize that it may not be the way God chooses to speak to everyone. We all have different personalities and different experiences and different temperaments and the sum of all that may make each of us more or less receptive to God’s voice in different devotions. Please accept this. Thanks.
 
There should be no opposition. But in this case, the end is much more important than the means, and the end is union with God. Some may come to that union with God through the Rosary, and many have, but others may not, and that’s perfectly alright. If a Catholic prefers the Office and Lectio over the Rosary, that doesn’t make them less of a Catholic. If you prefer the Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy over the Office, that’s great. If you find your intimacy with the Lord through perpetual novenas to the Saints then more power to ya. The question we should be asking is not “what prayers do you say?” but rather “do your prayers bring you into deeper intimacy with God”?
But, is that what the OP is about? I do not see folks questioning other devotions as they do the rosary.
 
Yet my words in this regard have been ignored. To some people, the Rosary is apparently the only way to be devoted to Mary. According to the pious quotations from saints above, anyone who does not honor Mary is going to Hell (this would seem to go against Catholic teaching regarding baptism by desire).

There are many ways to honor our Blessed Mother in our rich Catholic tradition, and it is not right to judge those who choose to honor her differently and accuse them of being Protestants in spirit.

The “Rosary” as we know it was officially defined in the 16th century but dates back to St. Dominic (1170-1221). One of the greatest Marian saints of all, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, the composer of the Memorare, died 17 years before St. Dominic’s birth. There was no “rosary”–at least in the form we know it–when St. Bernard lived.

No one here is saying that one should not say the Rosary. The question is whether one puts the Rosary above other necessities in the spiritual life, or, more importantly, whether one uses the Rosary as a means of feeling superior over other Catholics, creating stumbling blocks for them.

On the topic of ecumenism: “Protestant” Fr. Frank Pavone has pointed to the insistence of Catholic pro-lifers on saying the Rosary as a cause of division in the Pro-Life movement, and he has suggested several times that Catholics start using the Divine Office at prayer vigils so we can pray in a way that is most authentically Catholic and more accessible to our Protestant brethren.

In public, when someone sees me with my rosary, their usual response is, “Is that some kind of good luck charm?” If I try to explain the Rosary, it goes over their heads . If they see me with a breviary, they say, “That’s an interesting looking Bible.” I say, “It’s actually not a Bible. It’s the Divine Office.” “What’s that?” “It’s an ancient Catholic prayer service based upon the Psalms.” I then go on to explain it, and it proves a fruitful moment of evangelization.
First I’d like to point out that the LOTH is a much more complex prayer than the Rosary, and perhaps isn’t as ideally suited for pro-life events or protests. Once again there is a reason why the Rosary is the prayer of choice here. Lots of reasons actually.

However, there’s of course nothing wrong with praying the Office at pro-life events or sharing our prayers and devotions with Protestants. But it is a mistake to hide or downplay the Rosary because you feel it’s not as accessible to Protestants as other forms of prayer are. To be blunt, that’s their problem.

If more Protestants knew or understood what the Rosary actually is (and what it isn’t), they might be open to learning more about it. If Protestants see that we hold the Rosary with trust and humility and we don’t apologize for it, they may get an inkling that there’s something to it.

Or…maybe they won’t. That’s not in our hands, but I can tell you for certain that none of these things will happen if they see that we pray differently in front of them than we do in private. They’ll be able to sense the hypocrisy even if they can’t pin-point it outright.

Pray the LOTH all you want, pray it more than you pray the Rosary if you want, but not because you’re tentative or ashamed of the Rosary. Once again, have some faith.
 
“It’s interesting that the majority of the people who sympathise with the OP admit that they do not say the Rosary”
Not me. I never said any such thing, and I haven’t noticed anyone else who has made any such “admission.”
I did not mention you. If you did not notice anyone else I suggest you go and read back over the thread,
But many of the posts here point to the very problem the OP was getting at: the Phariseeical devotion to the Rosary that makes some Catholics so judgemental.
This is a joke right? The OP was the one judging, he was judging that to many Catholics lack the proper interior disposition when saying the rosary, for all you know every single person who says the rosary could be saying it excellently, I certainly do not think you can judge how a person says the rosary based on their posts at CAF.
As a Latin Catholic with Byzantine ancestry and “leanings,” I have found great wealth in studying my Eastern heritage. I find my own spirituality somewhere in the middle. But I also know how deeply it hurts our Eastern brethren when Latin Rite Catholics “force” the Rosary on them–as was once done “officially” in the period known as “Latinization”, and as often happens in daily conversation.
Plenty of Catholics who worship at one of the eastern rites LOVE the Rosary, the maronites for instance I know for certain have a great devotion to the Rosary. You are looking for divisions were there are none. You are creating false divisions, we are all Catholic and the Rosary is a Catholic devotion, we are all children of Mary.

Did you ever think that the motivation of the people who encourage people to say the Rosary is charity? They have something wonderful and they want others to share the benefits? Oh no it couldn’t be that they must be “pharisees”. Zeal is not a sin.

If anyone is been Pharisaical on this thread it seems to be that it is you, why did you feel the need to brag about your spiritual life? No one asked you about it so why did you do that? Not everyone knows how to or has a book with the LOTH to pray it.

That is at least one advantage of the Rosary over the LOTH, it is simple, any Catholic can pray if from memory, unlike the LOTH. If anyone is been Pharisaical it is those who pray the LOTH not the Rosary, the rosary is the prayer of the laity, the LOTH of the hours was always the prayer of those who could read and afford books.

I am not against the LOTH for the laity, but it should not be a question of one or the other, and you should certainly not feel superior for saying it.
Yet my words in this regard have been ignored. To some people, the Rosary is apparently the only way to be devoted to Mary. According to the pious quotations from saints above, anyone who does not honor Mary is going to Hell (this would seem to go against Catholic teaching regarding baptism by desire).
Well then you must draw one of the following conclusions:

Your understanding of what the Saints are saying is wrong.

Your understanding of baptism of desire is wrong.

The Saints and Popes quoted are heretics.
 
This is a reaction post, a reaction to unseemly strands of thought that lurk beneath the surface of this forum.

Before someone bashes me and accuses me of heresy, let me just say that the Rosary is a wonderful devotion and a great entrance to the throne of God, in prayer.

However, just as all things, the Rosary can be abused. People may recite it, over and over–with such emphasis on the recitation of it and the promises granted to those who recite it, that they may lose track of the heart of our faith. All devotions are merely a means to God.
Surely it can be abused, but that is not the fault of the Rosary. It is something to help focus and to calm the mind by calling to mind the calming affect of Mother. I recently asked a question about Novenas and member StBruno’s answer to that seems to apply here, that as long as we are not saying it with Superstition to try to trick God.
stbruno said:
The Catechism warns, “Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition” (2111).
 
Galnextdoor and co.,
Your “success stories” are great, but do you think there would have been a different “result” had your sister spent a half an hour a day on her knees reading the Bible? Or if your sister had said the Liturgy of the Hours every day? Or if she’d prayed the 15 Prayers of St. Bridget every day? Way of the Cross? Divine Mercy Chaplet? Chotki?
 
GodsGadfly;4340300:
Galnextdoor and co.,

By the way, I don’t believe it was the rosary alone that saved my sister. I think it was a combination of the rosary and her belief and trust in God.
Ahhh, which came first, the belief/trust… or the Rosary? When it comes from the inside-out, it can’t be beat. Trying to work it from the outside-in is much more difficult.
 
I think some on this thread are forgetting charity and overreacting. Nobody is trying to dicourage the praying of the Rosary or discount the power of prayer. And I don’t think the OP is being judgemental by decrying the lack of reverence that many Catholics appear to have while saying the Rosary. St. Louis de Montfort spent a considerable amount of time writing about Catholics who say their Rosaries badly in “The Secret of the Rosary”. He also said it was better to say one Hail Mary well, then to say the entire Rosary without devotion. But I think the OP’s main point was, that however marvelous a prayer the Rosary may be, it is not necessary for growth in holiness and certainly not necessary for salvation. Each person’s spiritual journey is different. Again, the question should not be “do you pray the rosary?” but rather “do you pray?” and “Are you growing closer to the Lord through your life of prayer?” God bless!
 
But, is that what the OP is about? I do not see folks questioning other devotions as they do the rosary.
I would take the same issue with a Catholic who said that the Chaplet of Divine Mercy or the Divine Office was necessary. Our Lord taught us to pray always. So just pray! I think such disagreements about what types of prayers are better than others is silliness to God.
 
I would take the same issue with a Catholic who said that the Chaplet of Divine Mercy or the Divine Office was necessary. Our Lord taught us to pray always. So just pray! I think such disagreements about what types of prayers are better than others is silliness to God.
I offer what the JPII said:
While respecting the freedom of the children of God, the Church has always proposed certain practices of piety to the faithful with particular solicitude and insistence. Among these should be mentioned the recitation of the rosary: “We now desire, as a continuation of the thought of our predecessors, to recommend strongly the recitation of the family rosary… There is no doubt that… the rosary should be considered as one of the best and most efficacious prayers in common that the Christian family is invited to recite. We like to think, and sincerely hope, that when the family gathering becomes a time of prayer the rosary is a frequent and favored manner of praying.”(155) In this way authentic devotion to Mary, which finds expression in sincere love and generous imitation of the Blessed Virgin’s interior spiritual attitude, constitutes a special instrument for nourishing loving communion in the family and for developing conjugal and family spirituality. For she who is the Mother of Christ and of the Church is in a special way the Mother of Christian families, of domestic Churches.
I am simply trying to highlight the importance of our Blessed Mother and that she gave us the rosary for a reason.
 
GodsGadfly;4340300:
Galnextdoor and co.,

I don’t know why you are all hot under the collar because I suggested that the OP might want to investigate praying the rosary. I just put out there what happened to my sister when she prayed the rosary. I get that praying the rosary is not your favorite thing to do, but why get upset about others who have found it helpful? I realize there are other prayers out there. In addition to the rosary my sister prays other prayers, but the only one she says every day is the rosary. Instead of questioning whether saying the rosary really helped her, why don’t you start a thread promoting your favorite prayer.

I once read a book about a saintly woman who had visions of purgatory. She described what different souls went through. She was surprised to see a priest in purgatory who was lazy, self-indulgent and a partier. Whenever any noble person was having a party, he was the first one at the door. He also wore a large rosary, which he never prayed himself, but he constantly extoled the virtues of praying it and urged others to do so. The priest, if I remember correctly, was supposed to be in purgatory until the end of time. When the woman questioned how a man like him made it to purgatory, guess what saved his soul?😃 His promotion of the rosary and the prayers of the people who said it.😃
All sincere prayer to God is good. Why get upset because some people prefer the rosary?

By the way, I don’t believe it was the rosary alone that saved my sister. I think it was a combination of the rosary and her belief and trust in God.
Zahmir …
Just to add to the thread here… and to what was said so well above… My thoughts are rather than putting down one form of devotion? Why not introduce or extoll your own favorite form???
I don’t see those promoting the Rosary as doing anything except providing a means for someone to pray… which at the very least changes ones perspective???
[By the way… Many saintly Men and Women have used the “Rosary” to bring People closer to God. Most priests, laypeople and sisters that I know use it as a means of growing closer to God. ]

Three examples here:
[With apologies to any Dominicans out in the forum… and please jump in at any time]… One form of the Rosary (and its most widely know form is the Dominican Rosary. It is based on the 15 GOSPEL events which lead to our salvation and was a means of bringing people to the Church (and an effective means against the heresys of the day)
2) Fr John Coropi whom most on these forums know… has credited the rosary with bringing him back to the Church. As he has so well stated…It is the story of the gospels …His testimony is quite amazing and he recomends it regularly.
3) Many of our holy priests in our parish as well as priests and religious in our area promote the Rosary… Its intent is always to draw people to God.

That being said… yes one may be over zealous in how they promote or explain something. One devotion may not be as popular or comfortable as another, [yes I pray the rosary,(Usually the five decades but often times the Franciscan Crown), the divine office and the chaplet of divine mercy among others… not always every day for each…] my point is that devotions lead us to God … why bash others who are offering the ways or means that did just that?

Finally for those who do love the rosary

A book of ways the Rosary has changed lives written in a readable format might be of interest:
the title is:101 Inspirational Stories of the Rosary*
Sr. Patricia Proctor O.S.C.
rosary101.com/

A previous poster had another good thought… why not begin a thread exploring or mentioning your favorite prayer?

Blessings of Peace and all Good!
 
I offer what the JPII said:

I am simply trying to highlight the importance of our Blessed Mother and that she gave us the rosary for a reason.
I don’t think anybody on this thread is trying to take anything away from Our Lady. The Catechism of the Catholic Church has a lot to say on the subject of prayer. In regards to the Rosary,*** “2678 Medieval piety in the West developed the prayer of the rosary as a popular substitute for the Liturgy of the Hours. In the East, the litany called the Akathistos and the Paraclesis remained closer to the choral office in the Byzantine churches, while the Armenian, Coptic, and Syriac traditions preferred popular hymns and songs to the Mother of God. But in the Ave Maria, the theotokia, the hymns of St. Ephrem or St. Gregory of Narek, the tradition of prayer is basically the same.”***
 
Oh, and let’s not forget the importance of Lectio Divina 🙂 I think there are so many devout and well meaning Catholics who will focus so much of their time and energy into praying rosaries that they forget about the very beneficial and more ancient practices of meditation, Divine Office, and Lectio Divina.

👍 👍 👍 The Rosary, helpful as it clearly is to many, certainly isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. :cool:​

 

👍 👍 👍 The Rosary, helpful as it clearly is to many, certainly isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. :cool:​

That just makes it more beneficial as you are making a sacrifice for Our Lady and honouring her request even though you don’t like it 😉

Prayer is not all about you and what you get out of it.
 
I don’t think anybody on this thread is trying to take anything away from Our Lady. The Catechism of the Catholic Church has a lot to say on the subject of prayer. In regards to the Rosary,*** “2678 Medieval piety in the West developed the prayer of the rosary as a popular substitute for the Liturgy of the Hours. In the East, the litany called the Akathistos and the Paraclesis remained closer to the choral office in the Byzantine churches, while the Armenian, Coptic, and Syriac traditions preferred popular hymns and songs to the Mother of God. But in the Ave Maria, the theotokia, the hymns of St. Ephrem or St. Gregory of Narek, the tradition of prayer is basically the same.”***
Right and here is the next paragraph:

2679 Mary is the perfect *Orans *(pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes,39 for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.40

I still fail to see the point of the OP and his supporters in this thread.
 
Prayer is not all about you and what you get out of it.
Actually it is.

Private prayer is a personal experience, unique to each pray-er, and what one gets from it is of utmost importance to one’s spiritual growth - an intimate connection with our loving God.
 
That just makes it more beneficial as you are making a sacrifice for Our Lady and honouring her request even though you don’t like it 😉

Prayer is not all about you and what you get out of it.
Private revelations are not a matter of Catholic Faith and no one is obligated to believe or follow them.
 
Right and here is the next paragraph:

2679 Mary is the perfect *Orans *(pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes,39 for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.40

I still fail to see the point of the OP and his supporters in this thread.
But one does not have to pray the Rosary as the only means to show this love for Our Lady. The Rosary, while certainly the most popular, is not the only efficacious Marian devotion. I think this is all the OP was trying to say. God bless!
 
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