The Rosary - What is Not Understood?

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Klisha don’t let them change your mind…final answer= HOLY SPIRIT!!!

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They are attempting to rattle you!!!
 
Klisha don’t forget…1-John “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
 
dronald said:
Salvation is the same for all of us, and that is through Christ and His Church.

But some do… So if I’m unsure, who do I ask in the EO? And if a Catholic Priest says something different (based on their dogma’s) what do I do?

That’s more of an opinion than fact.

Do they all accept yours as valid?
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Dude you are painting the EO with way to broad a brush. And trying desperately to pull them to the “Protestant” side of the fence. Which they would be greatly offended.

They are more on our side then yours.

Back to your original question. The means of salvation that christ established are present in the EO just like they are in RCC. So a person is in as good a shape there as here as far as that is concerned. The same can not be said for a person in the Protestant churches. Thats why I said what’s the difference. There is a schsm so of course there is disagreement
 
Kliska said:
You can interpret scripture correctly. You can also interpret incorrectly. Again, the difference in perspective is that the RCC teaches that only a select few individuals from the RCC itself can interpret scripture correctly. You trust that. The protestant view doesn’t believe that. It’s a basic difference, one that we aren’t going to “solve” on a message-board.
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But what did Paul teach? Show me where he taught: “you interpret scripture for yourself, you don’t need an authority.”
Again, no. It doesn’t matter if they disagree with me, but they shouldn’t disagree with the Spirit. God is the authority behind the scripture, and He is the one that can interpret and teach you to apply. The “Vicar of Christ” is not the Pope, but rather the Spirit is the Vicar of Christ.
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This is a circular argument. Obviously you think the Spirit is guiding you, so anyone who disagrees with what the Spirit has whispered in your ear is in disagreement with the Spirit.
 
adf417 said:
So recapping…

  1. *]You are unable to declare which protestants are right and which protestants are wrong in their interpretations but you can declare the CC interpretation is wrong.

    *]No protestant can determine which protestant is right and which is wrong in their interpretations.

    *]Protestants are right in their interpretation.

    Do I have this correct?
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PRmerger said:
Indeed.

And it is thanks to a council that you are a Trinitarian.

If those who did not agree with the council had their way, you would be a Unitarian right now.

Thankfully, the Church of God prevailed and God’s Word was properly interpreted to mean: 3 persons, One God.

It is ONLY because of a council, a Catholic council, to which you defer tacitly, that you are a Trinitarian.
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John 13: 34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Have a good day y’all, I’ll be praying for you, and am always happy to be prayed for.
 
Kliska said:
John 13: 34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Have a good day y’all, I’ll be praying for you, and am always happy to be prayed for.
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Always happy to oblige in prayers for others and very thankful for yours! :crossrc:

And I hope your day is equally good! 👍

Peace!!!
 
Kliska said:
John 13: 34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Have a good day y’all, I’ll be praying for you, and am always happy to be prayed for.
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Thanks!

Love also involves instructing others in Truth. Please continue to pray for guidance on the role of the Church.
 
stewstew03 said:
The Holy Spirit has led me to believe that you are teaching false doctrine.

Now what?
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Well, first you gather others who are of the same opinion and your start a “house church”.
If you have enough people you rent a “storefront” church. You get together with your leaders and draw up a “doctrinal statement” and give yourself an offical sounding name. Like…The First Independent, KJV-only, Bible Church of Anytown USA.
Then you start looking for a preacha’. Qualifications are simple as long as he agrees with you.
Soon your church grows and flourishes. You build a new build a new building and hire a new preacha’.
But soon the Holy Spirit has leads you to believe that he is also teaching false doctrine.
What to do?
Well, first you gather others who are of the same opinion and your start a “house church”…
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adf417 said:
So recapping…

  1. *]You are unable to declare which protestants are right and which protestants are wrong in their interpretations but you can declare the CC interpretation is wrong.

    *]No protestant can determine which protestant is right and which is wrong in their interpretations.

    *]Protestants are right in their interpretation.

    Do I have this correct?
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  1. By the way Kliska, I noticed you haven’t weighed in on this thread…
    forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=845794
    Care to share with us which protestant denomination, in your opinion, is… well, farther away from the truth than you are?😉

    Peace!!!
 
pocohombre said:
James at the council sealed the deal with Scriptura:
"And this conversion of Gentiles is exactly what the prophets predicted. As it is written:

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." Acts 15… So where is the scripture contradiction** at Jerusalem** .It only contradicted a wrong magisterium ,for the council found that** OT scripture was fulfilled, not contradicted**
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Not exactly! James quoting Scripture in no way or shape proves without a doubt scripture is the final authority. Pure conjecture on your part.
 
Nicea325 said:
Not exactly! James quoting Scripture in no way or shape proves without a doubt scripture is the final authority. Pure conjecture on your part.
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I know we have very busy here, but hopefully you would diagree with post # 447- to which I responded, not about authority but about the council "fullfilling and not contradicting OT scripture: “the council of Jerusalem the decision made most definately **contradicted the scripture **at the time, Since all they had was the old testament”(post 447).
 
Kliska said:
You can interpret scripture correctly. You can also interpret incorrectly. Again, the difference in perspective is that the RCC teaches that only a select few individuals from the RCC itself can interpret scripture correctly. You trust that. The protestant view doesn’t believe that. It’s a basic difference, one that we aren’t going to “solve” on a message-board.QUOTE]

Church and the magisterium is the final authority and there can only be one truth. This is because it was the Church that “Christ” promised to guide in “ALL TRUTH” Jn 16:13 - guided by Holy Spirit into all truth. And Jn 14:26 – “HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH” & remind them of everything. It is in 1Tim 3:15 – that the CHURCH is called “pillar and foundation of truth”

We accept “the RCC teaches that only a select few individuals from the RCC” it is called the "magisterium" . We are encouraged to read the Bible and Yes we can interpret Sacred Scripture, but when there is a conflict between personal interprtation and Church teachings, the Church is the correct interprtation. Christ himself foresaw this problem and instilled in the Church the fullness fo truth. as I posted in post 273 "Church and the magisterium is the final authority and there can only be one truth. This is because it was the Church that “Christ” promised to guide in “ALL TRUTH” Jn 16:13 - guided by Holy Spirit into all truth. And Jn 14:26 – “HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH” & remind them of everything. It is in 1Tim 3:15 – that the CHURCH is called “pillar and foundation of truth”

How can you read these passages and not come away with the correct understanding? if you do come away from them with something else then how do you know you are right???
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Kliska said:
I hope everyone takes this how it is meant, or I wouldn’t post it, but it can be seen as a teaching opportunity, probably for both sides.

This is so fascinating to read as a protestant of my ilk. I’m just being honest with my reaction as it is so strong; The Way to salvation is Jesus Christ. He is the Way, and there is no other name by which we must be saved. We become part of the church by faith in Him, not the other way around. I think that this is an example as to why certain protestants react the way they do. Now, is there some misunderstandings? Sure. But just for general FYI, this is a big area of contention especially for evangelicals and/or fundamentalists. It’s something both sides need to work on; how they phrase the salvational message alongside justification and sanctification.
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I have generalized before and say talk to a Protestant and they’ll share Christ, a Christ who wants to put you in the church body. Talk to a Catholic and they’ll share their church, where you can find Christ. One preaches Christ first. The other preaches church first. Again, general statement with hopefully many exceptions.
 
Steveabrous said:
Dude you are painting the EO with way to broad a brush. And trying desperately to pull them to the “Protestant” side of the fence. Which they would be greatly offended.

They are more on our side then yours.

Back to your original question. The means of salvation that christ established are present in the EO just like they are in RCC. So a person is in as good a shape there as here as far as that is concerned. The same can not be said for a person in the Protestant churches. Thats why I said what’s the difference. There is a schsm so of course there is disagreement
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I’m not being offensive, I’m saying that the argument that Protestant’s don’t have a trustworthy authority is equal to the Catholic dilemma.
 
pocohombre said:
I know we have very busy here, but hopefully you would diagree with post # 447- to which I responded, not about authority but about the council "fullfilling and not contradicting OT scripture: “the council of Jerusalem the decision made most definately **contradicted the scripture **at the time, Since all they had was the old testament”(post 447).
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Okay,but let us not forget Jesus is the NEW convenant which is better than the old. My argument against those who hold the Bible as the final authority is simple:

*If the Bible is the final authority then why would Jesus even bother to choose 12 men and give them authority which is clearly written in the Bible? *

I believe Jesus would have been going around and preaching and insisting the Bible is the final authority.

Christianity is a faith of the person: Christ. It does not revolve around and center on the Bible-only, which is a man-made tradition founded by reformers centuries later.
 
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