The Rosary - What is Not Understood?

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Peter_J said:
Not as far as I know. Btw, what are we talking about?
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How Scripture isn’t our only authority, Catholics gave us the Bible and Protestants stole the Trinity off of them… So, basically every Protestant/Catholic thread.
 
dronald said:
How Scripture isn’t our only authority, Catholics gave us the Bible and Protestants stole the Trinity off of them… So, basically every Protestant/Catholic thread.
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Thanks. 👍 This thread has been kind of a blur for me ever since someone said that the bible is not an authority (or something like that).
 
dronald said:
To think, “I’m going to ask Mary [X] amount of times” I don’t see how this is beneficial or sincere. How tracking how many times I am going to pray somehow helps my prayer seems superstitious to me.
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I have been thinking about this, and I think giving praise is like giving money, time, talents. We consciously choose to write a check for a certain amount, we plan to spend so many hours in service, etc. We can also choose to set aside a certain amount of time and offer that as praise. Last night during our Advent service we read Psalm 136. I cannot count how many times we said “for His steadfast love endures forever.” After a while, it really soaked it in - all of these wonderful things God has done for us, and continues to do, because He loves us, because He loves us, because He loves us.

I find the rosary helpful in using my prayer life in a focused and disciplined way.
 
dronald said:
Your tradition or the Orthodox who have the same roots but different interpretations of Scripture and history?

Jesus had some things to say about tradition in Scripture.
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The EO and CC were the same church the first 1000 years so we have the same tradition
You keep trying to make it sound like there is a world of difference in the beliefs of EO and CC
and I keep pointing out that there’s not

Are there a few differences? Yes. But in practice it’s the same.
dronald said:
Jesus had some things to say about tradition in Scripture.
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Yes he denounced made man made traditions. Paul had something to say about scripture and sacred tradition.

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” 2nd thes 2:15

oh and Peter had something to say about personal interpretation of scripture 2 peter 3:15

“He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.”

Notice he didn’t say James is hard to understand.
 
dronald said:
Your tradition or the Orthodox who have the same roots but different interpretations of Scripture and history?

Jesus had some things to say about tradition in Scripture.
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While there are some very significant differences between us, Steveabrous is quite correct in that we were once one Church, and have a common origin.

Our disagreements do not mean that Apostolic Tradition is worthless or not of God. Scripture is important, very important. HOWEVER, we are not Bible Worshippers, and we don’t view the Bible as if it is the Koran. Christian life is a tapestry, a marble cake. Scripture is a big part, as is the Liturgy, Hymns, Prayers, Lives of the Saints…it is all interwoven. You can’t separate any of it, as it all moves as one.
 
Misplaced_Book said:
Originally Posted by dronald
Your tradition or the Orthodox who have the same roots but different interpretations of Scripture and history?
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Well said, Misplaced_Book. It is true that we *catholics *are not all in full communion with each other, but neither are *protestants *all in full communion with each other (especially if Anglicans and Lutherans are considered to be in both categories). So that’s hardly a valid reason for deciding to be protestant – if anything, it is a bit of a reason for deciding to be catholic, since we (RCs, Orthodox, PNCC, Anglicans, Lutherans) are relatively more unified than protestants are.
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dronald said:
How Scripture isn’t our only authority, Catholics gave us the Bible and Protestants stole the Trinity off of them… So, basically every Protestant/Catholic thread.
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And it is in basically every Protestant/Catholic tread that Protestants throw out all of these misrepresentations, falsehoods and half-truths that Catholics have the duty to refute.

That is why these threads go on at length. There are those who are kibitzing or lurking to try and find information and if a misrepresentations, falsehoods and half-truth are perpetrated, the real truth has to be presented and defended.
 
Nicea325 said:
Because the canonized Bible itself was not founded by Christ,but His Church…that is why. Did not Jesus found His Church with authority? Or did He come to teach us all the Bible is to be the highest authority?

My friend you cannot separate the Word of God (Oral or Written) apart from His Church. Jesus promised to guide His Church via the Holy Spirit. This whole notion the Bible is king is just plain false and history clearly debunks such a premise.
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When you make it either or it sets up a trumping. It sets up infallibility of all other authority, be it papal or concilar. SS does not separate itself from church as the church does not separate itself from God’s scripture. The church can most certainly interpret scripture, but the Scripture can certainly be used to judge the church also. SS came about I think cause one wanted to be taught/shown from the scripture, and not to assume a previous council or pope correctly decreed discerning scripture on a matter. The response was a pope or council are not to be questioned and by their very nature must be scriptural. See the trumping over scripture (by assumption) and the inherent self applied infallibility on the matter ? Thus the balance between scripture and church is disturbed.
 
pocohombre said:
When you make it either or it sets up a trumping. It sets up infallibility of all other authority, be it papal or concilar. SS does not separate itself from church as the church does not separate itself from God’s scripture. The church can most certainly interpret scripture, but the Scripture can certainly be used to judge the church also. SS came about I think cause one wanted to be taught/shown from the scripture, and not to assume a previous council or pope correctly decreed discerning scripture on a matter. The response was a pope or council are not to be questioned and by their very nature must be scriptural. See the trumping over scripture (by assumption) and the inherent self applied infallibility on the matter ? Thus the balance between scripture and church is disturbed.
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Just a question if I may, do you see the Bible as an “instruction manual” on how to be a Christian and how to obtain salvation.
 
wmscott said:
Just a question if I may, do you see the Bible as an “instruction manual” on how to be a Christian and how to obtain salvation.
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Partly, at the very least. Do you see it as a love letter to…you ?
 
Isn’t it against the 2nd commandment to pray to and through these things?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Prayer to the Bible? I don’t know anyone who does, you? I think that’s another religion. You heard about people doing that?
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who said anything about praying to the bible???
I thought this thread was about the rosary???

lol…OH YOU TRICKSTER! you almost had me there.
 
I prayed the rosary for the first time yesterday. I understand better now why it’s called a powerful way to pray.
 
GaryTaylor said:
All worship is reserved for Jesus Christ who comes to judge the living and the dead, according to the manual. And that means no manual worship.
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My point exactly, so then why do they pray to the virgin???
 
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