The Scourge of Abortion

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The scourge of abortion is utterly the worst thing I can think about in this country. I know I don’t have to say anything to you guys- you know about the horrendous crime that is this silent genocide.

I have found that I am very troubled of late because all I do to help the cause of life is pray- perhaps pray in front of the clinic, but really- am I not definitely- are we not most certainly called to do more…?

Is it not admissable to by force of number and will demand that these institutions be closed and destroyed and these heinous acts of murder cease? Would it not be admissable to “Crusade” against this Culture of Death, and by licit force compel them to stop? Is this not moral? And good? Would not Jesus want this? Why has the Church not ordered this of us?

I am so confused and so troubled as to what to do… I cannot be idle… I feel I am sitting still whilst little Holy Innocents are being slaughtered constantly. It seems futile to just vote for pro-life candidates- those panderers will do nothing… Once they get into office they will just seek to maintain power by becoming as moderate as possible…

Are we not compelled to take action now against this? Please help me.
 
I would suggest that you start to volunteer at a crisis pregnancy center. The more loving and caring people we have at them, the more likely these women with crisis pregnancies would go there instead of seeking an abortion. I know that from personal experience, this volunteering does tend to calm the troubled soul and comforts you because you actually ARE doing something. We can holler and wave signs and close clinics, but it is LOVe - the love of Christ that will change the hearts of the people. Changed hearts=changed lives.

Good luck!
Anne
 
In my mind I feel though as if I must stop the very process of abortion- throw a wrench in the gears so to speak.
Apply morally licit force to compel them to close.
Storm the clinics.
Storm the concentration camps.
Is there really a difference?
 
Then shouldn’t we be at arms? Literally and spiritually and force these murderers to stop?
 
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Then shouldn’t we be at arms? Literally and spiritually and force these murderers to stop?
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There is a pro life movement here in N,Ireland run by two alleged seers, but since they aren’t approved I can’t put up their web address.

The send me abortion postcards from time to time and I put them up in bus stations, shopping centres and most public places, a picture speaks volumes.
One woman who lives in Manchester England was arrested for putting them up, I haven’t been caught yet.
I tried to get these people to send a batch to the USA, but they never did.
Although they do good work on the abortion front, it’s their messages I have a problem with, but will continue to deliver the abortion cards.

Pm me if you want their address, hope this is allowed on the forum, these abortion pics sometimes touch peoples hearts.

Surprise to me but a nurse in the USA who I emailed the pics to, said she didn’t know that the baby was so well formed, she has changed her mind regards abortion, (out of sight, out of mind)
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
Then shouldn’t we be at arms? Literally and spiritually and force these murderers to stop?
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As with all things, you must get to the root cause rather than the surface. Why is abortion seen as the prefered choice? Answer this and you’ll see your foe.

Consider Ireland. Abortion is illegal there, but still thousands flock over to the UK for abortions every year. Now you tell me that they don’t have a problem? Anti-abortion laws simply line the pockets of travel agents. Until society decides to wake up to the reality of the situation, nothing will change.
 
Perhpas you are right… We must change people’s minds, but don’t you think we should physically stop the gears of murder first? How can we let murder go on? Murder of the worst kind! Conviently taking the lives of thousands of holy innocents.
 
Just 500 years ago perhaps the Pope would call for a Crusade. I wish we still were as courageous as men 500 years ago.
 
You really want to know what abortion is?

It’s a symptom.

Humanity spiritually sick and the signs are showing. Love, mercy, charity and forgiveness are so rare in this world they only exist for many as abstract ideas.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
The scourge of abortion is utterly the worst thing I can think about in this country. I know I don’t have to say anything to you guys- you know about the horrendous crime that is this silent genocide.

I have found that I am very troubled of late because all I do to help the cause of life is pray- perhaps pray in front of the clinic, but really- am I not definitely- are we not most certainly called to do more…?

Is it not admissable to by force of number and will demand that these institutions be closed and destroyed and these heinous acts of murder cease? Would it not be admissable to “Crusade” against this Culture of Death, and by licit force compel them to stop? Is this not moral? And good? Would not Jesus want this? Why has the Church not ordered this of us?

I am so confused and so troubled as to what to do… I cannot be idle… I feel I am sitting still whilst little Holy Innocents are being slaughtered constantly. It seems futile to just vote for pro-life candidates- those panderers will do nothing… Once they get into office they will just seek to maintain power by becoming as moderate as possible…

Are we not compelled to take action now against this? Please help me.
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Perhaps I might suggest something you can do. I dont know where you live (Im new on this here board) but find out where there is a group called The Helpers of God’s Precious Infants, a ctholic pro life group begun by Mons Phillip Reilly, New York, (but they are all over the place or website) and join them. They are not an aggressive protesting group, they are a group who prays outside the abortion clinic and is prepared to offer the woman/girl going for an abortion any help- they can (including finacial) for her to be able to keep her baby. And if she goes in anyway, they are waiting for her when she comes out and anytime after, to offer any help she might need.
This charism has grown exponentially, and it is based on the love of God, Jesus, His blessed Mother, the abortionaist, staff, the woman, the man, the child. In fact its is based on LOVE,
Possibly on your own you cannot do much, howev er as part of a group you can do very very much.
God Blessed your wonderful life.
Grace Angel.
 
Unborn

Do you feel me deep inside of you?
Do you know that I am here?
I am now so much a part of you,
Don’t be sad and have no fear,
Perhaps worry fills your soul,
This life has come by surprise,
Or feelings of a new born baby,
Seem to be a mistake and not very wise,
How I long to see your smiling face,
As you set your gaze into my eyes,
To be held inside your warm embrace,
It’s so wonderful to be alive,
Choosing not to see this little one,
Or ever to call me by my name,
We will miss the joy of having fun,
But I will love you just the same,
Some may say to you that I don’t exist,
That there is no life inside of you,
Then to end this beating heart of mine,
They will pierce it through and though,
You had the right to make the choice,
Is what they will have to say,
Confused, abandoned, and lonely,
They’ll just let you walk away,
Don’t be sad, you are not alone,
I am always very near,
How I want to hug and squeeze you tight,
And wipe away your tears.
If you wish to heal your broken heart,
Just call me by name,
I will be with you always mommy,
I love you just the same.

Tonyg
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
The scourge of abortion is utterly the worst thing I can think about in this country. I know I don’t have to say anything to you guys- you know about the horrendous crime that is this silent genocide.

I have found that I am very troubled of late because all I do to help the cause of life is pray- perhaps pray in front of the clinic, but really- am I not definitely- are we not most certainly called to do more…?

Is it not admissable to by force of number and will demand that these institutions be closed and destroyed and these heinous acts of murder cease? Would it not be admissable to “Crusade” against this Culture of Death, and by licit force compel them to stop? Is this not moral? And good? Would not Jesus want this? Why has the Church not ordered this of us?

I am so confused and so troubled as to what to do… I cannot be idle… I feel I am sitting still whilst little Holy Innocents are being slaughtered constantly. It seems futile to just vote for pro-life candidates- those panderers will do nothing… Once they get into office they will just seek to maintain power by becoming as moderate as possible…

Are we not compelled to take action now against this? Please help me.
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Education is a strong weapon that you can use anywhere, at any time.

The horrible level of education that the average person has about “reproductive choice” is the reason this atrocity still exists. If every person in America saw an abortion in real life, learned about the development of a baby, researched abortive methods and dug into the issue, America would ban abortion overnight.

The war this time is one of hearts and minds, to be fought with logic, science and love. Learn everything you can about the medical aspects of abortion. Do you know the psychological and physical development of a pre-born baby? Can you effectively explain conception? Do you know the difference between death by saline injection and death by d and c?

What about the people that you talk to everyday? Are they informed? Do you write letters to the editor? Do you have an online blog? Do you pass out information, or at least carry it in case asked for it?

Become a bearer of light by bearing knowledge. Acceptance of abortion is only possible when a mind and heart is void of truth, of science, of love. If you are well prepared, you can fill other people with vital information.
 
So… If I get this right, you are saying I should work to defeat abortion via debate, logic, conversation, etc… What I was thinking was getting a bunch of people together and marching into a clinic and forcing them to shut down or something… Heh… I dunno. I just don’t know how much talking to people help. They just close you out.
 
And marching into a clinic and closing it down lands you in jail and reinforces the self-rightousness of those who run and support the other clinics. Vigilante justice is not a useful alternative to love, prayer, debate, and witness. Guys have shot abortion doctors and blown up clinics in the past. It does not help to solve the problem and will turn more people against your cause than will be won over. Violence does not bring justice, only more violence.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
So… If I get this right, you are saying I should work to defeat abortion via debate, logic, conversation, etc… What I was thinking was getting a bunch of people together and marching into a clinic and forcing them to shut down or something… Heh… I dunno. I just don’t know how much talking to people help. They just close you out.
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DatGangstaStuff:

Have you ever heard of Fr. Frank Pavone and the Pro-Life Apostolate: Priests for Life?
priestsforlife.org/

Priests for Life also has a Pro-Life Vocation and an invitation to Be a Lay Missionary of the Gospel of Life - Check in the Action Center Box:

priestsforlife.org/vocations/index.htm
priestsforlife.org/missionary/index.htm

Do yourself a favor and check his Pro-Life Apostolate out. I believe he’s doing more to end Abortion than almost any other group or person in the Catholic Church in America.

Did you see the “ad” for Fr. Pavone’s Book ENDING ABORTION, Not Just Fighting It
priestsforlife.org/products/bkending.htm

And, for the rest of our Brothers and Sisters:

America will not reject Abortion until America sees Abortion - Show the American people what an abortion is!
priestsforlife.org/images/index.htm

They have been posted here a few times before, usually in debates about the efficacy of their use in demonstrations. I believe that to fight evil, people have to see what it actually looks like.

Your Brother in Christ, Michael
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
So… If I get this right, you are saying I should work to defeat abortion via debate, logic, conversation, etc… What I was thinking was getting a bunch of people together and marching into a clinic and forcing them to shut down or something… Heh… I dunno. I just don’t know how much talking to people help. They just close you out.
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You must remember, in your zeal (which is admirable) that we are all God’s children, even those who are the perpetrators of this holocaust. While many will refuse to see the truth, regardless of the information we provide, many more will and have. It is in those that are rescued that we must find our strength and optimism. Just as there will always be wars, and poverty (as per Christ!), there will be some who can’t be reached. We must continue to pray for them and focus on those that are open to the truth. Force will never achieve what prayer, love, compassion and education will.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
Perhpas you are right… We must change people’s minds, but don’t you think we should physically stop the gears of murder first? How can we let murder go on? Murder of the worst kind! Conviently taking the lives of thousands of holy innocents.
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Your zeal is truly inspiring. Do not let this enthusiasm die out - we need strong voices like yours in the pro-life movement.

The best method for ending abortion is getting America to see abortion. The best method for getting America to see abortion is with the assistance of a group called the Center for Bio-ethical Reform (CBR). You can visit their site here: www.abortionno.com

But be forewarned - the site is extremely graphic in nature. You can puchase signs through them (as I have) of all sorts; even magnetic ones that you can stick on your car. Their bumper sticker collection is great as well.

Be sure to check them out, and for encouragement, listen to this interview with CBR’s Director Gregg Cunningham (click on the Jon and Ken Radio Interview):

abortionno.com/Resources/audiovideo.html
 
Traditional_Ang said:
America will not reject Abortion until America sees Abortion - *Show the American people what an abortion is! *

Agreed, those little postcards change hearts, they may harden many, but one life saved, one poor mother not having to face a life of mental anguish, "what if,what if "? I wonder what it would have looked like now ? 😦

Apart from the poor baby being destroyed, the mother can be too, the father and it’s aunts, uncles and the whole of society.

Abortion stops a beating heart. ❤️ the Temple of the Holy Spirit has been violated.
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DatGangstaStuff said:
So… If I get this right, you are saying I should work to defeat abortion via debate, logic, conversation, etc… What I was thinking was getting a bunch of people together and marching into a clinic and forcing them to shut down or something… Heh… I dunno. I just don’t know how much talking to people help. They just close you out.
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Joan Andrews-Bell spent 4 years in solitary for pulling the plug out at an abortion mill. Many, many other have followed her example and peacefully protested inside and outside these places, and many of them have spent time in jail, for putting their bodies in between the abortionist and his/her victim, whilst many more of us have joined the prayer vigils outside.

The secular, pro-death press reports these as violence against the “clinic”, the truth of the protest is seldom if ever aired, but at all these events the lives of unborn children are saved, some for a short while, some to continue unitl birth.

Unfortunately most people were unable to continue this work because of threats by the State to their families.

Joe Scheidler was faced with a RICO suit in 1986 prolifeaction.org/about/joe.htm which would have taken away everything that he had a left him with humongous debts.

I may be wrong but it sounds like this is the sort of thing you would like to do, and I’m not saying you shouldn’t - I think if we all did the tide would start to turn - but you have to be aware of the possible consequences before you start. If you cannot afford to take the risks then you should go for one of the slightly more orthodox pro-life organisations.
 
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