The second coming of Christ

[Crusader13]

We still have not discussed this question:
Is the Second Coming of Christ the same as the Day of YHWH which is found on the OT?
For instance, see Amos 5:18, 20 and Joel 2:11 which talk about the “Day of YHWH.” In many other OT passages this is referred to as “That day.”

There are multiple passages that reference the day of the Lord, but not every passage is referring to the second coming of Christ.

Since the term Day of the Lord is in reference to His judgement, on a people or a nation, as in the passages you quoted above, I believe those are referring to the judgment of Israel in AD 70.

Jesus also talks about the final day of the Lord in which we will be resurrected at His second coming.

So in short, the Day of the Lord can be referring to different periods of judgment, depending on the context and the prophecy. There will ultimately be one final Day and that is at the resurrection.

 

[EndTimes]

We still have not discussed this question:
Is the Second Coming of Christ the same as the Day of YHWH which is found on the OT?
For instance, see Amos 5:18, 20 and Joel 2:11 which talk about the “Day of YHWH.” In many other OT passages this is referred to as “That day.”

I’ve not double-checked but it can be.

There’s much more prophecy in the OT than is commonly realized

 

[Dudd]

We are told to watch. Let’s start with “watching for what?” How are we to know what to ‘watch’ for unless we have an idea what is coming?

I refuse to disregard a 22 chapter book of prophecy. And to think…some believe “it already happened!”

 

[EndTimes]

We are told to watch. Let’s start with “watching for what?” How are we to know what to ‘watch’ for unless we have an idea what is coming?

A Christian would know…

Watch for the signs which those who know what to watch out for shall see.

Be Ready Today!

 

[adamhovey1988]

ending poverty

Okay, so the Knights of Columbus and St Vincent De Paul society should stop, got it.

 

[EndTimes]

There’s a lot of solid information within Catholicism - re: Our Lord’s Return.

 

[Dudd]

My point was that we would not know what signs to ‘watch’ for unless they were written. PO18guy said, “never mind the revelation”, and I would disagree with that.

Jesus gave us plenty of signs, and we shouldn’t disregard any book in the bible…esp. Jesus’ words and the Revelation.

 

[po18guy]

The clouds of heaven. The Son of Man. All flesh will see Him.

As to Revelation/Apocalypse, it has been done to death - 99.9% of modern exegetes simply being wrong. Very few see Mary as the mother of the Church, or the Ark of the New Covenant. For that matter, not all that many see the Lamb’s Supper (Holy Mass and Eucharist) in it.

I can give my interpretation of it and I will be equally wrong as any millionaire televangelist - just much, much poorer.

 

[Dudd]

Part 1
He’s NOT only speaking of the temple being thrown down. The disciples asked Jesus 3 questions.

When will these things be, what is the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

“What is the sign of thy parousia and the consummation of the age” is what they asked!

So the disciples question went far beyond the temples destruction.

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things, verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Most ‘prophecy experts’ say the Western Wall has nothing to do with this prophecy. Problem is Jesus said, "see ye not ALL THESE THINGS!

Jesus said that as he was LEAVING the temple. The Wailing Wall being thrown down could be a sign that birth pangs are here. The “wall falls” after Muslims invade and take East Jerusalem and make the Dome of the Rock complex their world Caliphate headquarters.

Jesus said “See ye not all these things,” verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down," as they were leaving the temple Mount. In verse 3 Jesus indirectly answered the question by giving us the first literal sign that would signify the end-times that tribulation, and His return, would come shortly AFTER the massive stones of Wailing Wall fall.

Today there IS “one stone upon another,” in the Wailing Wall and Muslims want nothing more than to destroy it and occupy East Jerusalem. They claim ownership to it. The Dome area is an abomination because within the inscription that surrounds the octagonal structure of the Dome are the words, “god (Allah) hath no begotten son.”

Muslims deny there’s a Jewish connection to the Wailing Wall and want to deny Jews access to it. Many Islamic clerics teach that Jews should be prohibited to pray at the wall. I’ve read that the director of the Al-Aqsa Mosque once said, “This is a place for Muslims, only Muslims. There is no temple here, only Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.”

Stones ‘stood’ one upon another for about 400 years after the destruction of Jerusalem.

The only stones visible today that were visible to Jesus and his disciples was the Western Wall…

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Most ‘prophecy experts’ say the Western Wall has nothing to do with this prophecy. Problem is Jesus said, "see ye not ALL THESE THINGS! as he was LEAVING the temple. The Wailing Wall being thrown down could be a sign that birth pangs are here. The wall falls after Muslims invade and take East Jerusalem and make the Dome of the Rock the headquarters of their world Caliphate.

 

[Dudd]

Over the years I’ve found it quite amusing how someone who believes an AD70 fulfillment of Mathew 24 describes such things as…

How was the gospel being preached to all nations and THEN the end comes…

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
What evidence do you have the PAROUSIA took place around AD70.

What were the "wars and rumours of wars… for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet?

Which nation rose against nation, and which kingdom against kingdom?

What were the famines, pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places?

How was the gospel preached to all nations and THEN the end comes?

And most of all, what evidence do you have that the Lord returned and gathered believers in AD70? And what were the celestial signs in the sun, moon, and stars? Take a look…

The disciples asked…

Verse 3…What would be the sign(s) of thy coming? PAROUSIA!

Jesus is talking about his return between v. 29-32. NOT the temple!

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:… and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

It’s not that difficult to determine which generation Jesus is referring to. However, people interpret scripture to fit what they already believe, even when there’s a mountain of evidence against them.

It really is a futile argument for someone to claim the other things Jesus mentions in chapter already took place in AD 70. Jesus is answering questions referring to events and conditions about the consummation of the age NOT AD70!

You’re saying that Mathew 24 is about the temples destruction. Did you notice that in verse 3 the disciples asked about THE CONSUMMATION OF THE AGE AND THE SIGNS OF JESUS’ RETURN. BETWEEN VERSES 3 AND 25 JESUS MENTIONS WHAT APPENS JUST PRIOR TO HIS RETURN AND MENTIONES HIS RETURN IN VERSES 29-34.

When Jesus used the fig tree illustration he was saying that the generation that sees the events pass IS the generation that sees his return!

Just like when fig tree branches become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.

Jesus said LEARN…

Now learn a parable of the fig tree;

Are you going to tell me the fig tree illustration represents Israel?

 

[Dlee]

I’ve never heard anyone or any interpretation that the Mark of the Beast will eliminate poverty. Who teaches this? (which I, personally, believe to be a wrong interpretation)

 

[EndTimes]

My point was that we would not know what signs to ‘watch’ for unless they were written. PO18guy said, “never mind the revelation”, and I would disagree with that.

Jesus gave us plenty of signs, and we shouldn’t disregard any book in the bible…esp. Jesus’ words and the Revelation.

Signs were first said by Jesus
Orally Spread by Apostles and Disciples – Apostolic Tradition
And then put into Written form (Bible)
And then put into Catholic Magisterium

Yes we should never disregard Sacred Scriptures

 

[Crusader13]

Well you wrote a lot so I’ll do my best to address it.

First, when you read Matthew 24, you realize it picks up immediately from chapter 23. Jesus just finished denouncing the Jewish leaders and caps it off with these words

Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Matthew 23:36-39

Then they are leaving the Temple when His disciples point out the Temple and the buildings. He proceeds to give signs about their destruction and the coming tribulations. And ties everything together by telling them that THIS generation will not pass away till all these things take place.

Twice He speaks about the judgments and foretold destruction coming upon this generation. Which makes perfect sense when you connect it with His words to the Jewish leadership when He told them that their house will be made desolate and forsaken.

That is exactly the state of the temple today. The western wall doesn’t matter. God didn’t dwell in the retaining wall; and the Temple itself, along with those buildings that comprised it, are gone.

How was their house made desolate??? God destroyed their place of worship and created a New Holy Nation. The old covenant was done away with and the nation that replaced it was the Church.

You can’t have two covenant nations existing side-by-side, one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. Before He instituted the new nation and the new covenant, He had to do away with the old and nowhere is that more clear than the prophecies of Matthew 24 and the book of revelation.

 

[Crusader13]

Are you going to tell me the fig tree illustration represents Israel?

Yes. When you read the other scripture verses about the fig trees, what happens? In Luke 13: 6-9, the man comes out to look for fruit, but finds none. He tells the caretaker to cut it down, but the caretaker says give him three years to fertilize the tree, if no fruit is found, he’ll cut it down.

Another time He curses the fig tree and it dies for not bearing fruit. The fruit is a metaphor for faith, without faith, no fruit. The trees were cursed and withered for not bearing good fruit. The Jews, primarily the wicked leaders who abandoned God, were cut down, never to bear fruit again.

 

[Crusader13]

THE CONSUMMATION OF THE AGE AND THE SIGNS OF JESUS’ RETURN. BETWEEN VERSES 3 AND 25 JESUS MENTIONS WHAT APPENS JUST PRIOR TO HIS RETURN AND MENTIONES HIS RETURN IN VERSES 29-34

The consumption of the age was about the age they were in, the Old Covenant age. It wasn’t replaced until Jesus returned, coming in the clouds, and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple.

The Prophecy is not about His second coming, it’s about a coming; a coming of destruction and judgment, which is what the chapter is about.

There are numerous passages in the Old Testament that speak about God’s coming in the clouds. And these passages are in reference to his judgment on a people or a nation.

I don’t believe Islam has anything to do with this prophecy. Since Islam as a religion didn’t appear until hundred of years after the fall of the Temple.

They are a false religion to be sure, but their concern over the area of the dome of the rock is pointless. There are no scripture references or prophecies concerning a rebuilding of the third temple in the exact same location.

God has created a new nation which is the Church. This nation is not confined to any one temple or any one geographical area. It’s not reasonable or logical to undo the covenant with the Church to rebuild the temple and bring back animal sacrifices when that was already done away with. Jesus Christ was crucified once and for all,

 

[Carmel]

You MAY be right, but how about the reference to
the Mark on the hands and forehead of the ppl,
I believe that the Mark is a Credit Card or Chip.
My POINT is that w/ the MARK one will never go
poor!!

I think your post is meant to be a joke !
The’ Mark of the beast’ is equivalent to being branded like sheep and cattle. Anyone with the mark of the beast is recognised as the property of the beast. They would be the property of Satan and would spend eternity in Hell.

 

[EndTimes]

There’s no problems for Christians in the Bible.

 

[Dudd]

So you actually believe Jesus returned in AD70?

 

[Dolphin]

taken up into glory and the spirit of the Anti-Christ will
cause those who have worked towards ending poverty
who are NOT Sons of God to help usher in the Beast as
their “savior”.

So ending poverty is now satanic? Cmon, this is insane

 

[EndTimes]

So you actually believe Jesus returned in AD70?

If the coming AntiChrist does wind up in a brick and mortar temple in Jerusalem, that’s when that temple shall be destroyed upon Jesus’ Return?