The Seven Catholic Sacraments

[Esdra]

Hi all,

as you know, I am on the process leaving the CC for a Baptist Church.
This means that it is very important for me that everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)

Here are the 7 Catholic Sacraments:

**Baptism **-- is rather clear to me: There are several references in the New Testament (like the most famous John 3:5)
Eucharist – has been VERY often quoted here in CAF (John 6:54-55)

Reconciliation
Confirmation – Maybe Acts 2?
Marriage
Holy Orders
**Anointing of the Sick – James 5:14-15
**

My question now is where in the Bible they are excately mentioned. I am wondering especially because Martin Luther for example said that Baptism and the Last Supper only can be found in the Bible. (Please correct me, dear Lutherans, if I am wrong…)

So, what I already know or believe to know, I have already written in the list. But I’d be really grateful if someone would tell me the exact Bible verses of the remnant 3 Sacraments (Reconciliation, Marriage and Holy Orders.)

I’m really looking forward to your answers!

In Christ,
Esdra

 

[gracelife]

Esdra, you mentioned the Lutheran view of the Sacraments.

Here’s a link for that. It offers more clarification. It’s kinda long, but a good read if you are seeking answers. bocl.org/?AP+XIII

God Bless!

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Hi all,

as you know, I am on the process leaving the CC for a Baptist Church.
This means that it is very important for me that everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)

Here are the 7 Catholic Sacraments:

**Baptism **-- is rather clear to me: There are several references in the New Testament (like the most famous John 3:5)
Eucharist – has been VERY often quoted here in CAF (John 6:54-55)

Reconciliation
Confirmation – Maybe Acts 2?
Marriage
Holy Orders
Anointing of the Sick – James 5:14-15

My question now is where in the Bible they are excately mentioned. I am wondering especially because Martin Luther for example said that Baptism and the Last Supper only can be found in the Bible. (Please correct me, dear Lutherans, if I am wrong…)

So, what I already know or believe to know, I have already written in the list. But I’d be really grateful if someone would tell me the exact Bible verses of the remnant 3 Sacraments (Reconciliation, Marriage and Holy Orders.)

I’m really looking forward to your answers!

In Christ,
Esdra

Could you provide the bible passage that says evething must be in the Bible. As a Catholic everything I believe has bases in the Bible, but may or may not be found expressly stated in the Bible. So I have to ask you as a person that says “everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)” you need to first find in the Bible were it says to do that.

St John in the Gospel tells us that if he were to write all that christ said and did no book could contain it, so right there we know that there is more than what is written in the bible.

 

[JM3]

Hi all,

as you know, I am on the process leaving the CC for a Baptist Church.
This means that it is very important for me that everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)

Here are the 7 Catholic Sacraments:

**Baptism **-- is rather clear to me: There are several references in the New Testament (like the most famous John 3:5)
Eucharist – has been VERY often quoted here in CAF (John 6:54-55)

Reconciliation
Confirmation – Maybe Acts 2?
Marriage
Holy Orders
Anointing of the Sick – James 5:14-15

My question now is where in the Bible they are excately mentioned. I am wondering especially because Martin Luther for example said that Baptism and the Last Supper only can be found in the Bible. (Please correct me, dear Lutherans, if I am wrong…)

So, what I already know or believe to know, I have already written in the list. But I’d be really grateful if someone would tell me the exact Bible verses of the remnant 3 Sacraments (Reconciliation, Marriage and Holy Orders.)

I’m really looking forward to your answers!

In Christ,
Esdra

Matthew 16:19, 18:18, John 20:23. Reconciliation and Marriage(binding).

 

[ChrisCrop]

Please tell me where SOLO SCRIPTURA is in the Bible?

Chances are very great you will not find it!

Oh, and while you are at it…how about referencing me the “sinner’s prayer” ?

 

[Stephen168]

Hi all,

as you know, I am on the process leaving the CC for a Baptist Church.
This means that it is very important for me that everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)

When does your Baptist Church celebrate Easter and how did they decide when to do it?

 

[Gem]

So you acknowledge the existence and biblical basis of the Eucharist, yet you are leaving for a church which denies the biblical definition of it?

I can only ask, “Why?”.

Gem

 

[Esdra]

Could you provide the bible passage that says evething must be in the Bible. As a Catholic everything I believe has bases in the Bible, but may or may not be found expressly stated in the Bible. So I have to ask you as a person that says “everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)” you need to first find in the Bible were it says to do that.

St John in the Gospel tells us that if he were to write all that christ said and did no book could contain it, so right there we know that there is more than what is written in the bible.

Yeah, but Paul writes in 2 Tim 3:16
“16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

And I would say with “all Scripture” he refers to what later (and I have to admit through the “original Catholic Church”) our Holy Bible.

in Christ,
Esdra

 

[Esdra]

When does your Baptist Church celebrate Easter and how did they decide when to do it?

Well, as I am only a year now a Baptist, I actually don’t know why they celebrate it on the same day as the Catholics. I guess you can’t read it out from the Bible by “sola scriptura” ,that’s your point, right?

• To be perfectly honest: I don’t even really know why Easter is celebrated on Easter. - I know it has to do something with the Jewish Pesach-feast. - But I couldn’t explain exactely why Easter is celebrated when it is celebrated.

Esdra

 

[Esdra]

So you acknowledge the existence and biblical basis of the Eucharist, yet you are leaving for a church which denies the biblical definition of it?

I can only ask, “Why?”.

Gem

Hi,

I never said that I believe in transsubstitution!
My OP was biblical reference for the 7 sacraments - and I have basically read very often here the biblical definition that’s why I wrote it down.

Esdra

 

[Esdra]

Please tell me where SOLO SCRIPTURA is in the Bible?

Chances are very great you will not find it!

Oh, and while you are at it…how about referencing me the “sinner’s prayer” ?

See further below concerning Sola Scriptura.

Got your sinner’s prayer!

He (Jesus) also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’** But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ **I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

– Luke 18:10-13

(also compare: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinner%27s_prayer)

in Christ,
Esdra

 

[JRKH]

Hi all,

as you know, I am on the process leaving the CC for a Baptist Church.
This means that it is very important for me that everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)

Here are the 7 Catholic Sacraments:

**Baptism **-- is rather clear to me: There are several references in the New Testament (like the most famous John 3:5)
Eucharist – has been VERY often quoted here in CAF (John 6:54-55)

Reconciliation
Confirmation – Maybe Acts 2?
Marriage
Holy Orders
Anointing of the Sick – James 5:14-15

My question now is where in the Bible they are excately mentioned. I am wondering especially because Martin Luther for example said that Baptism and the Last Supper only can be found in the Bible. (Please correct me, dear Lutherans, if I am wrong…)

So, what I already know or believe to know, I have already written in the list. But I’d be really grateful if someone would tell me the exact Bible verses of the remnant 3 Sacraments (Reconciliation, Marriage and Holy Orders.)

I’m really looking forward to your answers!

In Christ,
Esdra

Esdra,
I am sorry to hear that you are rejecting the fullness of God’s truth and the most glorious sacrament of his Body and Blood for the partial truths of those outside of full communion. That said, I will offer this website on the Scriptural and ECF references for the sacraments.
If you glance down the left side of the page you will quickly see the sacraments. Click on the ones you are interested in.

Peace
James

 

[Esdra]

Matthew 16:19, 18:18, John 20:23. Reconciliation and Marriage(binding).

Hi

thanks. Yes, this is about reconciliation and marriage (binding).

But, to be honest, I think this is rather little evidence form the Holy Scriptures to give the 7 sacraments such a heavy weight in the CC…

Especially concerning Reconciliation (and marriage as well if there are not more verses) and anointing the sick.

Esdra

 

[FAB]

Hi all,

as you know, I am on the process leaving the CC for a Baptist Church.
This means that it is very important for me that everything which I believe is based on the Bible (which means it says in the Bible.)

Here are the 7 Catholic Sacraments:

**Baptism **-- is rather clear to me: There are several references in the New Testament (like the most famous John 3:5)
Eucharist – has been VERY often quoted here in CAF (John 6:54-55)

Reconciliation
Confirmation – Maybe Acts 2?
Marriage
Holy Orders
Anointing of the Sick – James 5:14-15

My question now is where in the Bible they are excately mentioned. I am wondering especially because Martin Luther for example said that Baptism and the Last Supper only can be found in the Bible. (Please correct me, dear Lutherans, if I am wrong…)

So, what I already know or believe to know, I have already written in the list. But I’d be really grateful if someone would tell me the exact Bible verses of the remnant 3 Sacraments (Reconciliation, Marriage and Holy Orders.)

I’m really looking forward to your answers!

In Christ,
Esdra

Each of the sacraments are in the bible, Baptism at the Jorden river, Marriage santified at the wedding feast, as well as in Mathew, Reconcilation and Annointing of the sick as Christ first forgave sins before physical healing, Confirmation from pentecost,as well as his promise to send His paraclete, Echuarist at the last supper as well as Holy Orders when Christ commissioned the apostles and thier successors. John 15: 26 also gives us the Traditon of the Church the the Holy Spirit will continue to guide us and teach us. this is part of the reason why Church does not practice Scripture Only as the basis of belief.

Each are referenced in several places in the Gospels.

A question for you. How do you renconcile from John 6:54-56 and to stop recieving the eucharist?

By the way, Matin Luther in the end came back to the Church.

 

[Joe_5859]

Everything that the Catholic Church believes and teaches is found in the Bible. That doesn’t mean that it is explicitly in the Bible (for example, the word “Trinity” is not found anywhere in Scripture), but it’s all there. The seven Sacraments are no different.

Here is where we can see the seven sacraments in the Bible. Note, this list is not exhaustive:

• Baptism - Matthew 28:19
• “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit”* Confirmation - Acts 8:17 (also Acts 19:6)
• “Then they laid hands on them and they received the holy Spirit.”
• Eucharist - Luke 22:19
  “Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, ‘This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.’”
• Reconciliation - John 20:23
• “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”
• Anointing of the Sick - James 5:14-15
• “Is anyone among you sick? He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint (him) with oil in the name of the Lord, and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven.”
• Holy Orders - 2 Timothy 1:6
• “For this reason, I remind you to stir into flame the gift of God that you have through the imposition of my hands.”
• Marriage - Ephesians 5:25
• “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her”

If you are looking for the scriptural source of any Catholic teaching, I would encourage you to look at the [Catechism of the Catholic Church (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm), find where it talks about the teaching in question, then look at the footnotes. It’s full of Scripture citations.

I would also encourage you to take a look at Pope Benedict’'s new Apostolic Exhortation [Verbum Domini (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/b...hf_ben-xvi_exh_20100930_verbum-domini_en.html), On the Word of God in the Life and Mission of the Church. It is a beautiful articulation of the Church’s view of Divine Revelation. Recall that, when the Catholic Church uses the term “Word of God”, it refers first and foremost to Jesus Christ, the Logos, who is the definitive Word of God (see John 1:1).

God bless you on your search for truth. The door back home to the Catholic Church is always open for you.

 

[Esdra]

Each of the sacraments are in the bible, Baptism at the Jorden river, Marriage santified at the wedding feast, as well as in Mathew, Reconcilation and Annointing of the sick as Christ first forgave sins before physical healing, Confirmation from pentecost,as well as his promise to send His paraclete, Echuarist at the last supper as well as Holy Orders when Christ commissioned the apostles and thier successors. John 15: 26 also gives us the Traditon of the Church the the Holy Spirit will continue to guide us and teach us.

Each are referenced in several places in the Gospels.

A question for you. How do you renconcile from John 6:54-56 and to stop recieving the eucharist?

Hi

I didn’t reconcile with John 6:54-56.
It’s just what I have read so often here in CAF - because Eucharist vs. “Last Supper” (like the Evangelicals call it) has often been a topic here.

It’s just that I don’t believe in the transsubstituion. Jesus IS present “where two or three are gathered together in His name.” (Mt 18:20)

And this is what I believe.

Baptists don’t believe that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist, but they see it as “feast in remembrance” (Lk 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24-25) of Him and what He did for us.

By the way: We normally read parts of 1 Cor 11 before the Holy Supper.

Esdra

 

[JRKH]

Yeah, but Paul writes in 2 Tim 3:16
“16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

And I would say with “all Scripture” he refers to what later (and I have to admit through the “original Catholic Church”) our Holy Bible.

in Christ,
Esdra

And just WHY would you say that it includes all that later became (through the Catholic Church) the Bible.
And,
Why would you trust an organization (the Baptists) who then took that Bible put together by the Catholic Church and removed books from it.

As to your quote from 2 Tim, every word of that quote is indeed true. Scripture is indeed useful but please note what the above quote does NOT say. It does not say that Scripture is either complete or that is is safe to use outside of the ekklesia.
So let me ask you this.
What is the "piller and bulwark of Truth?
What has the Authority to Bind and Loose…Whatever?

I know that these things are not what you have asked for in your OP and it probably seems as though you are being ganged up on. It so, I apologize and if asked I will stop posting. But I went through this same thing and frankly it was the Bible that brought me home to the Catholic Church (as it has many many people)
So I want to be sure you are considering these questions.

Peace
James

 

[JM3]

Hi

thanks. Yes, this is about reconciliation and marriage (binding).

But, to be honest, I think this is rather little evidence form the Holy Scriptures to give the 7 sacraments such a heavy weight in the CC…

Especially concerning Reconciliation (and marriage as well if there are not more verses) and anointing the sick.

Esdra

All the Sacraments can be found in the Bible, which is what you asked.

Matthew 3:6, Mark 1:5, James 5:16, John 13:6-7, Exodus 30:17-31, Exodus 29:7, Acts 6:6

But, since you’ve already made up your mind, I guess there’s no point to this question.

 

[Stephen168]

Hi,

I never said that I believe in transsubstitution!
My OP was biblical reference for the 7 sacraments - and I have basically read very often here the biblical definition that’s why I wrote it down.

Esdra

Transubstantiation is not the same as believing the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus; like Christ said it was.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Yeah, but Paul writes in 2 Tim 3:16
“16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

And I would say with “all Scripture” he refers to what later (and I have to admit through the “original Catholic Church”) our Holy Bible.

in Christ,
Esdra

NO one is dening that, What I am saking is where is it written that all is in Scripture. Other than what is already cited from John we also have 1st timothy 3 : 14-15 were Paul says in his absence to look to the church he did not say to look to scripture.
I also question your use of original Catholic Church which implies that the church today is not it. If that is what you are tring to say please show when it cessed to be.