The shift in Catholicism (Wash Times)

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The shift in Catholicism
by Julia Duin, national reporter

How things have changed in one year. Last year, when about 1,000 Catholics crammed into the Mayflower Hotel for their First Annual National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, the speaker was Sen. Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania Republican. All the talk was about the coming election and, in some of the table conversations, grumbling about why Mr. Santorum was supporting a pro-choice Republican, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, against a pro-life Democratic opponent.

At last Friday’s Second Annual National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, 1,600 people came, including President Bush, who owed much of last year’s victory to Roman Catholics. Catholics underwent a major shift in allegiance last fall. In 2000, 47 percent voted for Mr. Bush and 50 percent voted for Al Gore. In November, 52 percent went for the president and 47 percent voted for Sen. John Kerry.

And the keynote speaker at the breakfast was Colorado Archbishop Charles Chaput, who last year told The New York Times that a vote for Catholic politicians like Sen. Kerry who favor abortion is “cooperating in evil.” The archbishop’s 15-minute speech on Friday hammered home the point that Catholics must not compromise their beliefs.

“Christ’s relationship with each of us should be the driving force of our personal lives,” he said, “and for all of our public witness - including our political witness. Only Jesus Christ is Lord. The church belongs to him, not to us, but to him. And there’s no way — no way — that we should ever allow ourselves to be driven from the public square by those who want someone else, or something else to be Lord.”

It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

The fact that 13 members of Congress and a number of White House staff found it prudent to be there says something about the increasing political clout Catholics sense they have in this country.

The recent selection of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as the new Pope Benedict XVI gave the event an extra zing. Mr. Bush made prominent mention of his trip to Rome for Pope John Paul II’s funeral. The president even cracked a joke about the famously unreliable Catholic voter. While quoting 19th Century French statesman Alexis de Toqueville’s observation that Catholics are “the most faithful believers” in the land, he then paused dramatically. “And also,” said the president wryly to laughter and applause, “the most independent of citizens, as I’ve learned from meetings with Senator Santorum.”

His speech, as it turns out, was written by Tom McArdle, one of the newest White House speechwriters and the former communications director for the Catholic League. Apparently the White House press office staff is overwhelmingly Irish Catholic these days, so expect more speeches acknowledging this 25 percent of the American electorate.

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stumbler:
The shift in Catholicism
by Julia Duin, national reporter

How things have changed in one year. Last year, when about 1,000 Catholics crammed into the Mayflower Hotel for their First Annual National Catholic Prayer Breakfast, the speaker was Sen. Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania Republican. All the talk was about the coming election and, in some of the table conversations, grumbling about why Mr. Santorum was supporting a pro-choice Republican,…
I guess Santorum does not believe it is a sin to vote for a pro-choice candidate.
Roman Catholics. Catholics underwent a major shift in allegiance last fall. In 2000, 47 percent voted for Mr. Bush and 50 percent voted for Al Gore. In November, 52 percent went for the president and 47 percent voted for Sen. John Kerry.
Major shift? Within the poll’s margain of error.
And the keynote speaker at the breakfast was Colorado Archbishop Charles Chaput, who last year told The New York Times that a vote for Catholic politicians like Sen. Kerry who favor abortion is “cooperating in evil.”
A position that about five out of 500 of his brother bishops said they agreed with.
His speech, as it turns out, was written by Tom McArdle, one of the newest White House speechwriters
Taking the place of Deal Hudson?
 
katherine2 said:
Major shift? Within the poll’s margain of error.

On election day there is no margin of error because there’re just counting the votes, not predicting the vote outcome.
 
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Maranatha:
On election day there is no margin of error because there’re just counting the votes, not predicting the vote outcome.
Gee, then they missed me because the election board does not know I’m Catholic. Chalk up one more uncounted Catholic vote for Kerry.
 
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katherine2:
Gee, then they missed me because the election board does not know I’m Catholic. Chalk up one more uncounted Catholic vote for Kerry.
Good point. I miss that it was an exit poll. What was the margin of error?
 
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katherine2:
Gee, then they missed me because the election board does not know I’m Catholic. Chalk up one more uncounted Catholic vote for Kerry.
…and baby killing.
 
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katherine2:
Gee, then they missed me because the election board does not know I’m Catholic. Chalk up one more uncounted Catholic vote for Kerry.
Katherine, you voted for Kerry? Say it aint so, say it aint so!

How could you reconcile his views on abortion and stem cell research?

This for me could not be compromised.

Peace
 
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dennisknapp:
Katherine, you voted for Kerry? Say it aint so, say it aint so!

How could you reconcile his views on abortion and stem cell research?

This for me could not be compromised.

Peace
It was definitely a deal killer for me as well. In fact hearing the Church’s strong voice AGAINST proabort politicians like Kerry was a reason I explored this faith and am now a convert.

NARAL and Planned Parenthood and Emily’s List were also supporters of John Kerry. You know the usual suspects in baby murder. I just couldn’t reconcile what Kerry said and how he voted. K2 has her reasons I guess. It was a bridge too far for me.

Lisa N
 
Lisa N:
It was definitely a deal killer for me as well. In fact hearing the Church’s strong voice AGAINST proabort politicians like Kerry was a reason I explored this faith and am now a convert.

NARAL and Planned Parenthood and Emily’s List were also supporters of John Kerry. You know the usual suspects in baby murder. I just couldn’t reconcile what Kerry said and how he voted. K2 has her reasons I guess. It was a bridge too far for me.

Lisa N
The worst part about him was that he claimed to be Catholic and was quoting the bible in his speeches. He is the classic viper.
 
I for one am glad to see this shift, even if it’s only a tiny one, in the right direction.

It almost doesn’t matter why the shift is taking place, or who thinks they will benifit from it. If the result is that the Catholic position on moral issues is given greater consideration than before, it is a good thing.
 
It will be interesting to see what the Bush Adminisration actually does about abortion over the next 3 1/2 years. I’ve now watched 16+ years of nominally “pro-life” Republicans in the White House (eight of RWR, four of GHWB, four of GWB)…and I’m still waiting for the first shoe to drop, much less the second one.
 
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fix:
Is truth now determined by numbers?
stick to one rule of measure. I responded to a poorly thought out newspaper article which was suggesting change in public opinion. They clearly overstated the situation. You want to now talk abotu truth, error and judgement, start another thread.
 
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katherine2:
stick to one rule of measure. I responded to a poorly thought out newspaper article which was suggesting change in public opinion. They clearly overstated the situation. You want to now talk abotu truth, error and judgement, start another thread.
Katherine, did you vote for Kerry?

If so, how did you reconcile his views on abortion and stem cell research?

Peace
 
All the talk was about the coming election and, in some of the table conversations, grumbling about why Mr. Santorum was supporting a pro-choice Republican, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, against a pro-life Democratic opponent
Who was this opponent. I voted for Specter. Hoffel was definitely more pro-death than Specter as far as his ads and those of his pro-death party went during the campaign. Could this have been a reference to the Republican Primaries?

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Major shift? Within the poll’s margain of error.

This is old news. A 1% shift is huge. A 5% shift is massive.
I responded to a poorly thought out newspaper article which was suggesting change in public opinion
Not only was there a shift in public opinion as manifested by the Bush’s sweeping victory with undeniable evidence to back it up when the Democrats got booted out of the Senate en-masse along with their CINO Catholic Leader, but there was a huge shift in the Catholic public’s opinion.
Katherine, did you vote for Kerry?
Yes, katherine2 did vote for John Kerry. Since I voted for Bush, unfortunately, I can’t explain to how someone who is Catholic could have possibly voted for Kerry considering how he has lied to the people, betrayed his country and his religion, and lives in material cooperation in the murder of millions of innocent babies. I don’t understand how any priest could have ignored a letter from the Prefect for the CDF, now our pope, to deny sKerry and his colleagues the Body of Christ. I can’t understand how this guy in good conscience could have publicly defiled the Body of Christ, My Lord and My God. Still can’t fathom why any Catholic could have voted for him. It’s like voting for that Ebay-er trying to sell the Eucharist on-line to be President. Except we don’t really know if that would have led to the Eucharist defiled. Except the Ebayer stopped the auction. And of course, except, 47% of Catholic voters voted for this man for the highest office on the planet(unless you believe the others who would you think there were more).

Believe me, I can understand your horror. However, what’s done is done. The only problem now is how the kiddies will take it. I wonder what kind of respect they will show to the Blessed Sacrament when they come to accept their parents and their hero defiling the Lord.

That’s why we shouldn’t have this forgive and forget attitude and do some damage control(what’s to forgive when no forgiveness is asked and forget forgetting…)

Sorry for the long post,

God Bless!**
 
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jimmy:
The worst part about him was that he claimed to be Catholic and was quoting the bible in his speeches. He is the classic viper.
The worst part about him was that he wasn’t even a real option. So many people were voting for him because he had a “D” next to his name, and they thought that he was a better option because the Democractic party embraced more Catholic values than Bush. The problem is, we’re not voting for a party, we’re voting for an individual. This election wasn’t about which party is better, it was about which man was better.

John Kerry had nothing going for him other than he wasn’t Bush. When I questioned Kerry supporters, they were very hard-pressed to find a single, positive Catholic issue that John Kerry, personally, not merely the Democratic party, fought for in his 20+ years in the Senate, apart from recent election rhetoric.

Its not just that Kerry was for abortion and embryonic stem-cell research, its that Kerry hadn’t done anything for any Catholic issue out there. Poverty, farmworkers, death penalty, social justice…you name it, he didn’t do anything about any it while in the Senate.

Sorry, I’m venting…the election is long over and I need to drop it :o
 
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dennisknapp:
Katherine, did you vote for Kerry?
I did.
If so, how did you reconcile his views on abortion and stem cell research?

Peace
The same way Senator Rick Santorum did with his vote for Arlen Spector.
 
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katherine2:
I did.

The same way Senator Rick Santorum did with his vote for Arlen Spector.
Seriously Katherine, is this how you’re going to explain it to Our Lord? “Well he did it, so I can.” What about the babies?
 
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