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If they were told that it is an implement to leave marks on paper, why would they get angry? Especially if the price is right. Artists use nice pieces of charcoal and they don’t get angry because of the lack of coating.A piece of graphite is not a pencil. If you sold hunks of graphite as “pencils”, people would be angry at you. Get it?
So, when push comes to shove, the soul is still the old, outdated Greek animating principle. Ho-hum.Well, I was humoring the pantheists on this board. I do not believe pencils have souls either. Only living things do.
Let’s be precise: carbon atoms in different arrangements. Which is easy to verify if you burn both of them; capture the gas and put it into a gas spectrometer and see that they are identical - carbon dioxide.In any case, it seems to me you’re arguing that graphite and diamonds are “really” carbon molecules in different arrangements.
No, I am not. Aristotele was a great genius of his time. But that does not mean that all his ideas still survived the test of time.Substantial as in the philosophical term? You’ve giving away your metaphysics now! So, you’re saying form is inherent in the arrangement of matter. Are you an Aristotelian then?
The form may be important, based upon the point of investigation. If you view the carbon molecules as material to leave marks on paper, or to cut glass, then the form is important. If you are only interested in them as a fuel to a furnace, it is irrelevant. Coal and diamond will burn identically.
No, I did not say that. Mathematics is as abstract as it gets. Some parts can be and are used in technology. Other parts are pure mental exercise. But at least they have the potential to become more than that.So basically your saying you believe what is real = what is useful. I already accused you of believing that, why didn’t you just agree with me?
However, even some parts will never get utilized, they are still a wonderful mental exercise, but - and that is important - mathematics does not try to pretend what it is not - namely influencing how we should lead our lives. And philosophy is guilty as hell in that respect.
“Est vir, qui adest” - cute little anagram - which by the way - only works in Latin. That little play on words does not lend credence to the concept of “truth” divorced from reality.Ha ha ha… Quid est veritas? Where have I heard that before?
Which is always gratifying.Well, the idea of the soul that is usually presented is some stupid supersitition that seems more influenced by Descartes and the Moderns, so, good- at least we agree on something.