The Spiritual And Social Fate of the Regretful Transsexual

[mystagogia]

Then I will answer you again. Homosexuality and transsexualism are unrelated. And transsexualism is not a beneficent state, which is why sex change surgery is a good.

I’m not bristling, merely correcting a common misunderstanding. As for the LGBT thing, its a coalition. And coalitions bring different groups together for a common interest, in the case of the Gay and Lesbian Task Force, the interest is promoting the civil rights of these groups.

I think how a person deals with their transsexualism is a highly personal one, and if you ask 10 different transsexuals those questions you will get 10 different answers.

My sense is that you have not addressed my quesions and my points adequately, although you have made a good faith and honest effort to do so.

I really have no regard for the specialness of transexuals’ feelings or any allowance for some kind of private revelation worth special consideration.

Consider Job. Consider the tragic case of a child with severe birth defects. The case of someone with wishful fantasies about having been born the other gender pale in comparison to this.

Buck up, learn to accept the gender God has assigned you. Do not second guess him. If you feel that your gender is a sentence, well then it is a sentence. Grow to realize what a trivial sentence it is. Male and female are both wonderful creations of God and you are not shortchanged in any way if your actual plumbing does not square with your fantasy life.

Buck up!

 

[mystagogia]

sorry but you are wrong in what your saying.it has been proven that transsex people are of the opposite sex to that which they appeared at birth.
a simple thing to learn is sex and gender are different.sex is only the physical parts one has,the gender is something within the brain.
there is plenty of evidence which shows the male to female transsex person has the same brain activity as a genetic born female unlike the transgenders and homosexuals who still have the same as other men.
if i were more computer literate i would post up links to the information.i have seen others on this site with the same info ive collected so a bit of a search on the topic might show some of those links to back this up.

No, I am not.

 

[aussie_jaz]

see if this works

jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034

 

[mystagogia]

see if this works

jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034

It does not.

 

[aussie_jaz]

well you keep your happy little ignorant head buried in the sand.it is the ignorance of people like you who refuse to look at proof of anything who make life for so many people suffering from so many different things much harder.doesnt the catholic church regard willful ignorance a particularly bad sin.

 

[mystagogia]

well you keep your happy little ignorant head buried in the sand.it is the ignorance of people like you who refuse to look at proof of anything who make life for so many people suffering from so many different things much harder.doesnt the catholic church regard willful ignorance a particularly bad sin.

au contraire, aussie. For one thing I do understand where science is on the issue. For another, I do undestand where the Church is on the issue.

The thing is, the Church’s way, the way I’ve been advocating, is the better way for you.

I advocate out of position of love. I want you, the global “you”, “everyone” to live a happy, fulfilled life with great reward.

Listen to this teaching, have ears: please don’t destroy yourself on sexual matters, please have faith in your gender, learn to overcome. Love God more than your libido. It is really as simple as choosing something permanent over something fleeting.

You WILL be happier if you do, you WILL be a better person if you do.

That is TRUTH.

 

[aussie_jaz]

au contraire, aussie. For one thing I do understand where science is on the issue. For another, I do undestand where the Church is on the issue.

The thing is, the Church’s way, the way I’ve been advocating, is the better way for you.

I advocate out of position of love. I want you, the global “you”, “everyone” to live a happy, fulfilled life with great reward.

Listen to this teaching, have ears: please don’t destroy yourself on sexual matters, please have faith in your gender, learn to overcome. Love God more than your libido. It is really as simple as choosing something permanent over something fleeting.

You WILL be happier if you do, you WILL be a better person if you do.

That is TRUTH.

sexual matters implies those which require the actions of having sex.well by choice i have no want of such activity (non sexual).my gender is female as my sex has been for the past several years.my gender has always been female and i am a much happier person now that my physical being is in line with that of my real self.
permanent…hmmm…how shall you define either sex as being permanent when there will be no male or female when we reach the eternal life.
i am a happy person today whereas if i had not gone through the processes i went through i would not exist as a living being.destroying myself would have been not to put my body and life into the hands of modern medicine.
please show what the churches official stance on transsex issues is because as i understand of it is they dont actually have such a position.i understand that they dont have one due to there being no mention in the bible and also because of so many people like yourself who ,even though there has been much in the way of change over the last 2000 years , dont want anything to change and fear looking at possibilities of changes because they would then have to show they were wrong about things.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I’m trying to yield to those with experience or education on this particular issue, and the conclusion I come to is that a pre-transsexual experiences his existence as a biological error. His body is programmed for one thing, while his brain is programmed for the opposite. From a compassionate and logical point of view, it would seem that if science can, without harm to him or others, correct this opposition, why would we not want him restored to internal unity?

On its face I have no problem with that. I only have a problem in the context of modern society. Despite what Dale said earlier, we do not know for a fact that every human being who has ever experienced this dichotomy before our lifetimes has ended up with a miserable and emotionally wasted life. I believe him that some have committed suicide; so have some with wasting diseases such as ALS; so have thousands of people with varieties of mental illness that leave them excruciatingly despondent.

There are artists and musicians who have suffered disfigurement to their hands which can’t be reversed. Nothing has been done to their talent, but they have been prevented from exercising that talent. In their brains they are still artists, and if you know anything about the life of a true artist, it is as essential to core identity as any other aspect of identity. Yet their bodies are suddenly not cooperating with their brains. Shall we say they can no longer achieve happiness? What is happiness, in the Christian perspective? Is it not union with God? There are physically agile people who suddenly find themselves without limbs, or the use of limbs. In their brains they still feel like athletes, dancers, builders. Yet their bodies are not cooperating with their brains – not in these cases due to biological error but to the error of accident or disease onset. In all those cases, we acknowledge that until or unless science can reverse those situations, such sufferers can still live meaningful lives, lives which can include happiness, despite how we ache for such tragedies, if we have an ounce of compassion in us.

Nowadays, whenever anything is not “perfect” with our lives, we feel entitled to contort every possible angle to achieve what we imagine will bring us happiness, as long as have the means to manipulate our individual realities – whether that is going to extreme measures to accomplish fertility, whether it is reversing our gender, etc.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t use science to heal whatever is reasonable to heal or reverse. Science can make our lives more comfortable, maybe less “tortured.” But only God, who IS unity itself, can make our lives whole, peaceful, and truly happy. One can have all the operations known to man, and still be not much closer to genuine wholeness.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I’m trying to yield to those with experience or education on this particular issue, and the conclusion I come to is that a pre-transsexual experiences his existence as a biological error. His body is programmed for one thing, while his brain is programmed for the opposite. From a compassionate and logical point of view, it would seem that if science can, without harm to him or others, correct this opposition, why would we not want him restored to internal unity?

On its face I have no problem with that. I only have a problem in the context of modern society. Despite what Dale said earlier, we do not know for a fact that every human being who has ever experienced this dichotomy before our lifetimes has ended up with a miserable and emotionally wasted life. I believe him that some have committed suicide; so have some with wasting diseases such as ALS; so have thousands of people with varieties of mental illness that leave them excruciatingly despondent.

There are artists and musicians who have suffered disfigurement to their hands which can’t be reversed. Nothing has been done to their talent, but they have been prevented from exercising that talent. In their brains they are still artists, and if you know anything about the life of a true artist, it is as essential to core identity as any other aspect of identity. Yet their bodies are suddenly not cooperating with their brains. Shall we say they can no longer achieve happiness? What is happiness, in the Christian perspective? Is it not union with God? There are physically agile people who suddenly find themselves without limbs, or the use of limbs. In their brains they still feel like athletes, dancers, builders. Yet their bodies are not cooperating with their brains – not in these cases due to biological error but to the error of accident or disease onset. In all those cases, we acknowledge that until or unless science can reverse those situations, such sufferers can still live meaningful lives, lives which can include happiness, despite how we ache for such tragedies, if we have an ounce of compassion in us.

Nowadays, whenever anything is not “perfect” with our lives, we feel entitled to contort every possible angle to achieve what we imagine will bring us happiness, as long as have the means to manipulate our individual realities – whether that is going to extreme measures to accomplish fertility, whether it is reversing our gender, etc.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t use science to heal whatever is reasonable to heal or reverse. Science can make our lives more comfortable, maybe less “tortured.” But only God, who IS unity itself, can make our lives whole, peaceful, and truly happy. One can have all the operations known to man, and still be not much closer to genuine wholeness.

There is the commandment " be fruitfull and multiply" while the multiply part is well understood, it seem the fruitfull part has been forgotten , epspecially amungst us Catholics. Example of being fruitfull? Bach and his music, a doctor healing a sick child, a right to lifer defending the rights of the unborn come to mind. I see that commendment as God saying dont be a bump on a log. I have had some of the closest people to me tell me I function tons better as Stephanie than I do a Steve. Just think how much more fruitfull I could be as Stephanie than trying to hunker down and deal with being Steve. When I get my chance and resources in line to transition, I’m done hunkering down.

 

[aspawloski4th]

sexual matters implies those which require the actions of having sex.well by choice i have no want of such activity (non sexual).my gender is female as my sex has been for the past several years.my gender has always been female and i am a much happier person now that my physical being is in line with that of my real self.
permanent…hmmm…how shall you define either sex as being permanent when there will be no male or female when we reach the eternal life.
i am a happy person today whereas if i had not gone through the processes i went through i would not exist as a living being.destroying myself would have been not to put my body and life into the hands of modern medicine.
please show what the churches official stance on transsex issues is because as i understand of it is they dont actually have such a position.i understand that they dont have one due to there being no mention in the bible and also because of so many people like yourself who ,even though there has been much in the way of change over the last 2000 years , dont want anything to change and fear looking at possibilities of changes because they would then have to show they were wrong about things.

You are obviously deal with somebody who doesn’t have a scientific type mind, which is ok. The part that isn’t ok is the thinking he has the answer to what you are dealing with and the over simplification of it. While this is hard after some point people like that have to be ecnored.

 

[Elizabeth502]

There is the commandment " be fruitfull and multiply" while the multiply part is well understood, it seem the fruitfull part has been forgotten , epspecially amungst us Catholics. Example of being fruitfull? Bach and his music, a doctor healing a sick child, a right to lifer defending the rights of the unborn come to mind. I see that commendment as God saying dont be a bump on a log. I have had some of the closest people to me tell me I function tons better as Stephanie than I do a Steve. Just think how much more fruitfull I could be as Stephanie than trying to hunker down and deal with being Steve. When I get my chance and resources in line to transition, I’m done hunkering down.

And I would “function tons better” if I were taller. I would also “function tons better” if I hadn’t endured some of the deep sufferings I have endured, which have included violence, rejection by relatives for my very identity (which in my case had nothing to do with gender, orientation, or anything related), scandalous behavior by Roman Catholic priests, and more. (But hmm, maybe, just maybe, those have been opportunities for me to unite myself to the sufferings of Christ and die to myself so that he might live in me, which I admit I have done imperfectly.)

I don’t want to oppress or persecute the LGBT movement per se. But I do see it as symptomatic of some of the broader disorder in modern society, in two ways:

(1) It mirrors the confusions of a fallen world:

On the one hand, gender is immaterial: two men or two women can “become parents” and should become parents if they want to: tough that the child is deprived of the other gender. Love is supposedly more crucial then gender, and there’s nothing special about the complementariness of God’s beauty in creating the duality of man + woman as a pair to grow together in love as a model of God’s differentiated love.

On the other hand, gender is the most freakin’ important element of a person’s being, justifying radical surgery, and rationalizing unhappiness until the point of radical surgery.

(2) It (the entire LGBT movement), mirrors the elevation of the individual self above all other goods, including God, including God’s laws. This is nothing more than a replay of The Fall in the Garden of Eden, and it is acted out by other segments and individuals in our society, but seems especially concentrated in the LGBT “causes.”

This is no longer about being compassionate to people who have been born different, feel different. No longer about protection from persecution. I.m.o., this is about out-of-control priorities, and that is why, in a broken world with so many other basic and less self-absorbed tragedies, I find myself impatient with hearing how supposedly uniquely entitled and uniquely important these “causes” are.

 

[jacie]

What the church teaches? For starters, it condemns sterilization. So if your plan is to have surgery to remove your sexual organ so as to live as a female, and not for a medical need to save your life i.e. cancer, then I think that falls under the definition of sterilization.

“Be fruitful and multiply” affirms life. The culture of death, as JP II termed it, is the devil’s work. Look at the fallout from it already - contraception, abortion, euthanasia, the dying out of the population of many western and even eastern (Japan) nations …
There is a new documentary on the impact of our falling birth rates called the “Demographic Winter”. You can order it or view the trailer on the internet, just google it.

The GLBT agenda is part of this culture of death. From a human point of view, it sounds so logical and compassionate. But this is a cosmic battle, one that we must be on the right side of. We must view these things from God’s perspective, and the church is there to help us with that.

The sermon I heard this morning on EWTN talked about the three temptations of Satan to Adam and Eve, and also to Jesus during his 40 days in the desert. The 3 temptaions are the lust of the flesh, the lust of our sight (i.e. wanting beautiful things, greed, etc.) and pride. This is why Jesus calls us to fasting, almsgiving and prayer. They combat these three temptations. Ffasting teaches us to control the lusts of the flesh, almsgiving teaches us to control the lust of our sight, and prayer humbles our prideful selves before God.

Now, tie this in with a lesson from the Baltimore Catechism: "The chief punishments of Adam which we inherit through original sin are death, suffering, ignorance, and a strong inclination to sin.

(a) The fact of original sin explains why man is so often tempted to evil and why he so easily turns from God.

(b) Because of the ignorance resulting from original sin, the mind of man has difficulty in knowing many necessary truths, easily falls into error, and is more inclined to consider temporal than eternal things.

(c) The penalties of original sin–death, suffering, ignorance, and a strong inclination to sin–remain after Baptism, even though original sin is taken away."

I just see a fascinating connection in all this to the current discussion. Maybe it’s just me, but this whole transgender thing seem so closely related to the three temptations Satan loves to put before us: lust of the desires of the flesh, meaning not just desire for sex, but desire to fulfill the other wants of the body and mind; lust of the eye or sight, meaning the desire to change our outward appearance; and pride, meaning the desire to do what we think is best, despite what God may desire for us. I know these three temptations apply across the board to everything we do, i.e. the clothes we wear, the food we eat, the music we listen to. But the question we must ask is: Does this bring us any closer to God? Does it bear fruit? Is this His desire for us?

 

[aspawloski4th]

And I would “function tons better” if I were taller. I would also “function tons better” if I hadn’t endured some of the deep sufferings I have endured, which have included violence, rejection by relatives for my very identity (which in my case had nothing to do with gender, orientation, or anything related), scandalous behavior by Roman Catholic priests, and more. (But hmm, maybe, just maybe, those have been opportunities for me to unite myself to the sufferings of Christ and die to myself so that he might live in me, which I admit I have done imperfectly.)

I don’t want to oppress or persecute the LGBT movement per se. But I do see it as symptomatic of some of the broader disorder in modern society, in two ways:

(1) It mirrors the confusions of a fallen world:

On the one hand, gender is immaterial: two men or two women can “become parents” and should become parents if they want to: tough that the child is deprived of the other gender. Love is supposedly more crucial then gender, and there’s nothing special about the complementariness of God’s beauty in creating the duality of man + woman as a pair to grow together in love as a model of God’s differentiated love.

On the other hand, gender is the most freakin’ important element of a person’s being, justifying radical surgery, and rationalizing unhappiness until the point of radical surgery.

(2) It (the entire LGBT movement), mirrors the elevation of the individual self above all other goods, including God, including God’s laws. This is nothing more than a replay of The Fall in the Garden of Eden, and it is acted out by other segments and individuals in our society, but seems especially concentrated in the LGBT “causes.”

This is no longer about being compassionate to people who have been born different, feel different. No longer about protection from persecution. I.m.o., this is about out-of-control priorities, and that is why, in a broken world with so many other basic and less self-absorbed tragedies, I find myself impatient with hearing how supposedly uniquely entitled and uniquely important these “causes” are.

You are comparing apples and oranges. I need is obtainable, you being taller isn’t. Please don’t broad blanket put me in with the whole glbt movement. I’m talking about a medical and identity condition, not a personal choice. Its about having to pretend to be what you are not, while Im decent at it , it takes a lot out of me. Interestingly when in Stephanie mode my blood pressure is near what is considered normal , while not in that mode its 160/110. Im going to make an alalogy here that should make the point that us Catholics are too interested in making things work a certain way rather than making it work. In the 1950’s and 1960s if one was on a Catholic school foot ball team the offensive play was run the ball up the middle no matter what, and even if the team got beaten time after time by other plays like the pass for example , the coach would stick to running and just try to make that method work. Usually when up against a passing team they got passed out of the stadium. these days offense is more diverse in the play book and Catholic school teams are doing better than 40 to 50 years ago. Well some Catholics have that 50s football attititude of making things work a certain way rather than just work. Rather than fight myself constantly and pretend and live awkwardly Id rather just be myself.

 

[Dale_M]

And I would “function tons better” if I were taller. I would also “function tons better” if I hadn’t endured some of the deep sufferings I have endured, which have included violence, rejection by relatives for my very identity (which in my case had nothing to do with gender, orientation, or anything related), scandalous behavior by Roman Catholic priests, and more.

But if you could have avoided those deep sufferings, wouldn’t you have chosen to do so?

(But hmm, maybe, just maybe, those have been opportunities for me to unite myself to the sufferings of Christ and die to myself so that he might live in me, which I admit I have done imperfectly.)

Indeed, when suffering is unavoidable this makes sense. But why endure needless suffering?

Elizabeth, I think the root issue here is something which Jacie stated. She has said that sex change surgery is immoral. If such surgery is not a moral choice, but a profoundly immoral choice, then it is not a legitimate option. And in that situation, the suffering of a transsexual should be endured and offered up as a sacrifice.

(1) It mirrors the confusions of a fallen world:

On the one hand, gender is immaterial: two men or two women can “become parents” and should become parents if they want to: tough that the child is deprived of the other gender. …

…On the other hand, gender is the most freakin’ important element of a person’s being, justifying radical surgery, and rationalizing unhappiness until the point of radical surgery.

I can see your point, if you are considering the LGBT alliance as some kind of monolith. But LGBT is a coalition of individuals and groups with interests, and experiences, which are not shared by all. Diverse and conflicting interests are inevitable in coalitions.

I agree with you that a child should be raised with male and female role models. But I don’t think those role models have to be the child’s parents. What matters is that both a man and a woman are intimately involved in the child’s life, for example, as a godparent.

(2) It (the entire LGBT movement), mirrors the elevation of the individual self above all other goods, including God, including God’s laws. This is nothing more than a replay of The Fall in the Garden of Eden, and it is acted out by other segments and individuals in our society, but seems especially concentrated in the LGBT “causes.”

The world is a fallen place and humans make mistakes - its in our nature. I have to disagree with you that transsexuals are putting themselves above God’s law, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I.m.o., this is about out-of-control priorities, and that is why, in a broken world with so many other basic and less self-absorbed tragedies, I find myself impatient with hearing how supposedly uniquely entitled and uniquely important these “causes” are.

I think we are all called to different vocations. Not everyone has to be an abortion activist or an anti-poverty activist. Similarly, if you can not relate to the experiences of transsexuals and feel impatient in discussing them, perhaps you are not called to be involved in this area.

 

[aspawloski4th]

This is no longer about being compassionate to people who have been born different, feel different. No longer about protection from persecution. I.m.o., this is about out-of-control priorities, and that is why, in a broken world with so many other basic and less self-absorbed tragedies, I find myself impatient with hearing how supposedly uniquely entitled and uniquely important these “causes” are.

Self absorbed??? Lets see how true that is in my case. I work 2 jobs I absolutely hate to support a disabled wife. I have been a right to life activist since the age of 11. i used to put FR Gruner’s tv show on cablevision public access. I climbed a tree to save a baby kitten. Don’t tell me about priorities or suffering. I know physical suffering through 34 kidneystones, but even a trillion of them is more pleasant than being physically male and living as such. Whats so magic about the gender issue to you whare that pain has to be suffered while other pains need not be?

 

[Elizabeth502]

But if you could have avoided those deep sufferings, wouldn’t you have chosen to do so?

Indeed, when suffering is unavoidable this makes sense. But why endure needless suffering?

This is all I am talking about: unavoidable suffering.

Elizabeth, I think the root issue here is something which Jacie stated. She has said that sex change surgery is immoral. If such surgery is not a moral choice, but a profoundly immoral choice, then it is not a legitimate option. And in that situation, the suffering of a transsexual should be endured and offered up as a sacrifice.

I can see your point, if you are considering the LGBT alliance as some kind of monolith. But LGBT is a coalition of individuals and groups with interests, and experiences, which are not shared by all. Diverse and conflicting interests are inevitable in coalitions.

The alliance speaks as a monolith, whether they are in fact one. My point is that both the individual “causes” and the combined causes would earn much more credibility if they could get their hugely conflicting stories straight.

I agree with you that a child should be raised with male and female role models. But I don’t think those role models have to be the child’s parents. What matters is that both a man and a woman are intimately involved in the child’s life, for example, as a godparent.

"Being involved" has not nearly the imprinting effect upon a dependent as the primary influences; THE PARENTS. This is an example of some of the verbal engineering of which I speak.

The world is a fallen place and humans make mistakes - its in our nature. I have to disagree with you that transsexuals are putting themselves above God’s law, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Then we’ll have to remain at opposite sides of perception in this. It is my perception that no other advocacy group elevates itself as do the individual and collective components of LGBT persons.

I think we are all called to different vocations. Not everyone has to be an abortion activist or an anti-poverty activist. Similarly, if you can not relate to the experiences of transsexuals and feel impatient in discussing them, perhaps you are not called to be involved in this area.

I find this the most amazing statement of all. I have invested hundreds of keystrokes on this thread, patiently discussing it. And now you call me “impatient in discussing them.” Amazing. I always find it interesting when posters on any messageboard pick on one of the most rationale and considerate repliers, while employing a hands-off policy on repliers with terse, negative, or flip comments. Watching this play out over the years on various themed messageboards, inevitably it means that the repliers being savaged are actually those that make the most sense (and therefore need to be eliminated by “the opposition”).

 

[Dale_M]

The alliance speaks as a monolith, whether they are in fact one. My point is that both the individual “causes” and the combined causes would earn much more credibility if they could get their hugely conflicting stories straight.

There is no conflict. Some people simply are unwilling to make the distinction between homosexuality and transsexualism. I think this is regrettable, but some people prefer a simplistic view of reality.

“Being involved” has not nearly the imprinting effect upon a dependent as the primary influences; THE PARENTS. This is an example of some of the verbal engineering of which I speak.

Now you are engaging in verbal engineering, invoking a stereotype about parents. Parents are not always involved in the lives of their children. Sorry, perhaps it should be that way, but it simply isn’t true. What matters is involvement in the lives of children, and I think it is possible for non-parents to do this.

I find this the most amazing statement of all. I have invested hundreds of keystrokes on this thread, patiently discussing it. And now you call me “impatient in discussing them.” Amazing.

Elizabeth, what is amazing is your inability to remember what you write. I will quote you:

I find myself impatient with hearing how supposedly uniquely entitled and uniquely important these “causes” are

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4803098&postcount=91

 

[Methodi]

I find this the most amazing statement of all. I have invested hundreds of keystrokes on this thread, patiently discussing it. And now you call me “impatient in discussing them.” Amazing. I always find it interesting when posters on any messageboard pick on one of the most rationale and considerate repliers, while employing a hands-off policy on repliers with terse, negative, or flip comments. Watching this play out over the years on various themed messageboards, inevitably it means that the repliers being savaged are actually those that make the most sense (and therefore need to be eliminated by “the opposition”).

Why is it you that only makes the most sense . Others have stories to tell and opinions & life experience about these things

 

[aspawloski4th]

I find this the most amazing statement of all. I have invested hundreds of keystrokes on this thread, patiently discussing it. And now you call me “impatient in discussing them.” Amazing. I always find it interesting when posters on any messageboard pick on one of the most rationale and considerate repliers, while employing a hands-off policy on repliers with terse, negative, or flip comments. Watching this play out over the years on various themed messageboards, inevitably it means that the repliers being savaged are actually those that make the most sense (and therefore need to be eliminated by “the opposition”).

Who died and left you in charge? Ive been studying and learning this subject for 30+ years. I’m not picking on anyone. I take it as being picked on when my suffering is marginalized and told it isn’t important as you have IMPLIED. In essence I’m sick and tired of being told to grit my teeth and bare it.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Who died and left you in charge? Ive been studying and learning this subject for 30+ years. I’m not picking on anyone. I take it as being picked on when my suffering is marginalized and told it isn’t important as you have IMPLIED. In essence I’m sick and tired of being told to grit my teeth and bare it.

Never said or implied any of this, but you have a chip on your shoulder. Never marginalized your suffering, in fact quite the opposite. Never said I was “in charge,” or anything close to that. I said, and I’ll say it again, that compared to the intolerant and hateful and uninformed and marginalizing comments made by many others on this and other threads, on this very issue, I have been a listener and a calm contributor, with way more openness than many commentators whose obvious prejudice and contempt has been ignored or tolerated.

I said specifically over and over that no one , including myself, including you (and any other actual or would-be transsexuals), are in a position to judge one person’s suffering relative to anyone else’s. The inability to have such restrained perspective is either an indication of immaturity or a pumping up of oneself as more important than others. But you continue to behave as if you’re equivalent to the first century Christian martyrs.