The SSPX and protestants

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so far i am happy with my conversion. i was already on another thread where someone was saying that Peter never was in Rome and that there is nothing that says the church in Rome was ever seen as the true church in the early centuries, so i decided i better be careful what i read here. i think there are a lot of anti-catholics or protestants that visit the forum.

i have heard of that society. i thought that the Pope had said they could be recognized again - am i wrong in that belief?

also, i am coming from the anglican faith (episcopal, church of england) where there is already so much controversy that i was hoping by coming to the Catholic church i would have a stable home, so i hope that there won’t be any schisms in the future like what is happening in TAC.
Welcome to the forums, and welcome to the Church.

SSPX members are just Catholics who hold to the traditional Catholic faith and reject the modern innovations that have sprung up,(they were widely rejected and had a bit of problems, but it seems that might be clearing up now) there are many Catholics who are not SSPX who in the same way try to be very faithful to Christ. Recently in the last few decades there is the thought that the faith changes and it can be reinterpreted to fit modern life.

Of course there are some hostile people who are SSPX and there are many hostile people who are of the liberal end of things who want to change the Catholic Church. The last 40 or so years have been very rough on the Catholic Church and we are finally starting to see some sanity with Pope Benedict, so just hang in there and enjoy the beautiful faith Jesus left us.

Follow the Church and you wont go wrong, just open your heart, be careful what you read online, as there is a lot of confusion and seek consistancy.

In Christ
Scylla
 
so far i am happy with my conversion. i was already on another thread where someone was saying that Peter never was in Rome and that there is nothing that says the church in Rome was ever seen as the true church in the early centuries, so i decided i better be careful what i read here. i think there are a lot of anti-catholics or protestants that visit the forum.

i have heard of that society. i thought that the Pope had said they could be recognized again - am i wrong in that belief?

also, i am coming from the anglican faith (episcopal, church of england) where there is already so much controversy that i was hoping by coming to the Catholic church i would have a stable home, so i hope that there won’t be any schisms in the future like what is happening in TAC.
Welcome Home!

Yes, there are a lot of anti-Catholics who come here to stir the pot, to cause doubt in the faithful. But doubt can come from those who are not outside the Church as well, from many corners. So caution is crucial.

And you know, schisms do happen. It happened 1000 years ago, it happened 500 years ago. They happen. They are a wound to Christ and His Body. They are to be mourned and prayed over and repented of. But we cannot let them sidetrack us from staying true to Christ and his Church.

The Catholic Church is your home, always was always will be. I’m a convert to the faith as well, I understand the peace and stability you have been seeking, and if you keep your eyes on Christ, his Holy Church and on the one who has been given the keys, you will not falter, and you will keep your peace. These are all choices, you know.

In about a hundred years from now, people will read about some of the fuss that went on from the corners and say “why all the dissention, did they forget about the Holy Spirit and the promise?”

Time is the great equalizer.

God bless. Enjoy the journey!
Jeanette
 
Now THAT’s not biased advice.

Why Peter Kreeft and not the Catechism of St. Pius X?

There are problems with both the CCC and the Compendium of the Catechism. I believe the compendium claims that the Mosaic Covenant is still in force.

The CCC reformulates the dogma out Outiside the Church No Salvation into what Pius XII called “A meangingless formula.”

EWTN often promotes errors on their shows and NEVER, EVER corrects them.

The Catechism of the Council of Trent is far superior to the CCC, a person will actually learn the faith clearly.

Other good books are

This is the Faith by Canon Ripley,

The little Catechism of St. John Vianney

The encyclicals of St. Pius X.

Get a missal of the Traditional Latin Mass and read that.

The Catholic Dictionary of Fr. John Hardon.

How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Tom Woods

Triumph by Harry Crocker

Books and lectures by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
If you’re accusing me of being biased in favor of the official teaching documents of the Church (the CCC has the Imprimi Potest of one former head of the CDF named Ratzinger, and the Compendium of the CCC was promulgated by His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI) then I plead guilty.

As far as the other documents you mention…

Absolutely nothing wrong with the official teaching documents of the Church, past and present. We would all indeed do well to read them. There are, however, a few more developments in doctrine since Trent–the Immaculate Conception, the Miraculous Assumption, and I believe the Church has come to a fuller understanding of some dogmas–such as “No Salvation outside of the Church”-- over the past five hundred years–as is only natural for an organic (albeit supernatural) Body such as the Church.

As to the charge that the CCC is not clear, it is true it is written in nuanced, theological language; it’s very tough reading for most of us. By reading the intro to the new Compendium to the CCC, you find out why: Pope Benedict explains that the CCC was written primarily as a tool for Bishops, and for people (like Kreeft and others) to write local chatechisms. Kreeft’s book is an excellent and very clear chatechism based on the CCC.

As for “This is the Faith,” that may be the first Chatechism I ever “swallowed whole.” Is that the one written during the Council as a kind of “stop-gap?” If it is, then I had to struggle with it–because it seemed to have something of a presumption of previous knowledge, and so meant more as a brush-up for Cradle Catholics. For instance, the particular chatechism I have in mind mentioned the Scapular, and then said something like “of course, if you’d like to wear a scapular medal you may very well do so. All of this depends on being initiated into the Scapular, as most of us are as children.” This left me scrathing my head–how does one get initiated? Some other things it mentioned also seemed unclear. It seemed a dated document. Albeit, it was a very good guide in most other areas.

I don’t know Mr. Crocker or Fr. Hardon, and so cannot comment.

Tom Woods book is an excellent book on Catholic history.

Fulton Sheen is a classic. From my Diocese–may he be beatified soon! His case is before Rome as we speak.

I do encourage the recent convert to remember that it was the Popes who promulgated the CCC and the Compendium, and the Popes are infallible on Faith and Morals in their official teaching–with or without a formal pronouncement of infallibility. Their opinion matters; ours, not so much.
 
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