The SSPX (without a flamewar)

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godisgood77 said:
Yes…Valid, yet illicit. Still no legitimate ministry

I’d avoid
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No, they’re licit. Pope Francis extended the necessary faculties beyond the Year of Mercy.

I agree though that they should be avoided.
 
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The SSPX’s current canonical status is that they are not in communion with the Catholic Church.
The Holy See has made them an offer by which they could be a prelature and continue to operate as they have before only in this case in full communion with the rest of the Catholic Church and they have refused.
I pray every day that there may be a reconciliation between the SSPX and the Holy See.
 
poche said:
pray every day that there may be a reconciliation between the SSPX and the Holy See.
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My own prayer is that there be reconciliation between the Holy See and Individuals in SSPX. We tend to forget there already is a small reconciliation each year as a few priests and attached laity join their diocese. Parishes are open NOW because people took that step.

The tendency is to ignore the partial reconciliation that has already taken place, and to exalt the organization, as such.

When I last read through the SSPX website, what organization do you think they criticized most? Maybe the UN, Planned Parenthood, the Jesuits, Call to Action, the Federal Government, or NY Times?

Nope. The organization SSPX criticized the most was FSSP.
 
That is because the FSSP is a huge threat to the SSPX. Since the FSSP and ICKSP are in full Communion with the Catholic Church and perform the same Liturgy without any question of schism or irregularity, they threaten the whole idea of the SSPX group.
 
In the 1970s, the people in SSPX were primarily concerned with preserving the TLM and fidelity to doctrine in the Church itself. Preserving the SSPX organization was not then a goal in itself.
 
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No, the SSPX is far more than just liturgy.

They also protest the changes of V2 in regards to doctrine, especially in regards to ecumenism.
 
So do like half the Catholics here who aren’t in a canonically irregular situation.:roll_eyes:
 
Canvas said:
So do like half the Catholics here who aren’t in a canonically irregular situation.:roll_eyes:
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The SSPX believes that the FSSP is basically a sell-out. And the FSSP began when a group of priests were appalled by the illicit episcopal consecrations and broke off from the SSPX.
 
Maximilian75 said:
One can desire clarification without protesting
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Clarification of what, specifically?
  1. Clarification of Vatican 2?
  2. Clarification of 50 years of subsequent development, much of which they disagree with?
  3. Clarification of the SSPX organization rights and assurance of continued, independent existence, as the SSPX?
 
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Neither the FSSP or ICKSP would exist today were it not for Archbishop Lefebvre. That is historically accurate.
 
Not so. They are in a canonically irregular situation. They are not schismatic.
 
Maximilian75 said:
Summorum Pontificorum says that any priest anywhere who knows how to, can celebrate the Tridentine Mass, regardless of the thoughts of their bishop
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Summorum Pontificorum clarifies and perhaps explicitly expands the usage of the 1962 missile, which had never been formally retracted. Earlier versions had been retracted.
CilladeRoma said:
SP allows a priest to “privately” say the EF at any time. A Bishop’s permission may be needed to celebrate it publically. It depends on the Bishop.
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While true, there are no restrictions on who may attend a private mass. Public masses refer to the regularly schedule liturgy of a parish (Sunday masses, or daily masses).

A private mass is one conducted by special request, such as by a group of parishioners specially drawn to the Tridentine form. (It is the permission to fill such a request to use the 1962 Tridentine Missile that is granted by SP).
 
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simonjosiah1 said:
I heard a lot of the SSPX don’t believe in dinosaurs and think the world is 3,000 years old. Not sure how true that is
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I went to an SSPX school from about 2000-2004 and I can tell you that they believe and teach some very weird things.

Things I was taught in RK class by SSPX priests included that my mother was going to hell for telling me that Santa Claus was real when I was little. That Pope St John Paul II was a Satanist. That the Holocaust was God’s punishment for Christ’s passion and death… The things I could tell you about that school. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to discover that they held the beliefs you mention.

Just to be clear, I no longer have anything to do with the SSPX, and would not attend their services. Nor do I hold any of their wacky beliefs.
 
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