The Stained Glass Ceiling

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And feelings, of course, are such reliable guides as to the correctness of a given action. 😃

And ‘moving the Church forward’ by demanding that it change its teachings to suit the ‘feelings’ of dissidents is, of course, the ‘real commission’ Christ gave us. 🤷

I’ll pray for her to see the light, renounce her sins, and rejoin the true Church instead of the false one she has made for herself, poor woman.
 
She says she did not want to change religions because she said and I quote her:
“The culture and the tradition means a great deal to me, and it doesn’t feel like it’s fair that to follow a call from God I’d have to give that up and profess a belief in another denomination that doesn’t represent where my heart is,”
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She has seperated herself from Holy Mother Church and I quote the Vatican on this:
In May 2008, the Vatican decreed that women priests and the bishops who ordain them immediately excommunicate themselves.
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Sadely she says she still attends a parish in her area. I wonder if she receives the Body and Blood of our Lord?
 
I feel called by God to slap these people silly.

Either that or to found a new mendicant order that will beg for money to buy these women a clue.
 
Should we judge, loathe, condemn and treat someone with contempt whose love for our church is evident? Or should we see the void left by the shortage of priests, nuns, religious, laypersons, and practicing Catholics is so compelling that, obviously, some persons are willing to risk their salvation in effort to fill it? I believe Jesus would ask these women to follow Him, never sneer down his nose at them, publicly damn them, or disguise his contempt for them with a claim to ‘pray for’ them. I pray that I will have the strength to do more for the Catholic Church so that my example may urge others to follow suit and possibly build that church we once were the church that made people WANT to follow her more closely
 
Philotheatoo said:
Should we judge, loathe, condemn and treat someone with contempt whose love for our church is evident? Or should we see the void left by the shortage of priests, nuns, religious, laypersons, and practicing Catholics is so compelling that, obviously, some persons are willing to risk their salvation in effort to fill it? I believe Jesus would ask these women to follow Him, never sneer down his nose at them, publicly damn them, or disguise his contempt for them with a claim to ‘pray for’ them. I pray that I will have the strength to do more for the Catholic Church so that my example may urge others to follow suit and possibly build that church we once were the church that made people WANT to follow her more closely
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If her love for the Church is so evident, then why can’t she accept the Church as it is.🤷
 
I started this thread to elicit the sort of responses like the above. I also intended this post to illustrate how the media “frames” certain issues. In this case, the paper describes a reluctant revolutionary who fears reprisals from an outdated Church because of her couragous attempt to break through the glass ceiling to achieve gender equality. This framing is more important than the actual content of the story since it illustrates the institutional forces arrayed against Church teaching.
 
PoliSciProf said:
I started this thread to elicit the sort of responses like the above. I also intended this post to illustrate how the media “frames” certain issues. In this case, the paper describes a reluctant revolutionary who fears reprisals from an outdated Church because of her couragous attempt to break through the glass ceiling to achieve gender equality. This framing is more important than the actual content of the story since it illustrates the institutional forces arrayed against Church teaching.
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:hmmm: :mad: :confused: 🤷 :hypno:
 
KathleenElsie said:
She says she did not want to change religions because she said and I quote her:
…the tradition means a great deal to me
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Well…except for the dogmatic tradition which does not consider women ordination to be valid. :rolleyes:

If her theology is so bad that she does not understand this Catholic dogma, then she has no business even teaching other Catholics, let alone given a “calling” to be a priest.
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itsjustdave1988 said:
Well…except for the dogmatic tradition which does not consider women ordination to be valid. :rolleyes:

If her theology is so bad that she does not understand this Catholic dogma, then she has no business even teaching other Catholics, let alone given a “calling” to be a priest.
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Amazing isn’t it.:doh2: :frighten:
 
itsjustdave1988 said:
Well…except for the dogmatic tradition which does not consider women ordination to be valid. :rolleyes:

If her theology is so bad that she does not understand this Catholic dogma, then she has no business even teaching other Catholics, let alone given a “calling” to be a priest.
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Not only that, but they are so arrogant that they consider themselves to be the only arbiter on if they have a calling to religious life.

Everybody else in the Church has the humility to ask the Church for guidance and to accept the decision of the Church.

Not these ladies. They know better than the Church :rolleyes:
 
A Womanpriest who was chaplain at a local hospice actually told me the Catholic Church was ordaining women. Oops. Wrong person to tell that.
 
Philotheatoo said:
Should we judge, loathe, condemn and treat someone with contempt whose love for our church is evident?
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We are to hold no one in contempt. But even Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. He didn’t hold her in contempt, neither did he condone adultery. He challenged those tried to stone her too.

There is a balance that has to be found here. We treat human beings with the respect and love they deserve; but we state the obvious too. A sin is a sin, regardless of how much one loves.
Or should we see the void left by the shortage of priests, nuns, religious, laypersons, and practicing Catholics is so compelling that, obviously, some persons are willing to risk their salvation in effort to fill it?
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The ends never justify the means. Man may never choose evil to correct a problem. Man must always choose the good. To risk one’s soul is never justifiable. To disobey the Church on a matter as serious as this is a choice for evil.

The low numbers of priests and religious will be filled by the grace of the God in whatever manner God sees fit. Only God can call a man to the priesthood. Only God can call a man to the diaconate. Only God can call a man or woman to the religiosu life or consecrated lay life. It is not up to man to decide to take up the cause without being called. It is up to man to make himself available to God, should he want to use us in this way.
I believe Jesus would ask these women to follow Him, never sneer down his nose at them, publicly damn them, or disguise his contempt for them with a claim to ‘pray for’ them.
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You’re very right. Jesus would call these women to follow him in the same way that he called the Samaritan woman to follow him. He invited her to ask him for life-giving water and to leave her sinful life behind. There is no argument here. Jesus comes to save, not to condemn. He does not call people to follow him and continue on the same sinful path simultaneously.
I pray that I will have the strength to do more for the Catholic Church so that my example may urge others to follow suit and possibly build that church we once were the church that made people WANT to follow her more closely
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St. Clare of Assisi once said that the best way to build the Church was through total surrender to God’s will. St. Bruno, the founder of the Carthusians said, “the way to build the Church is to seek only God.” St. Elizabeth Ann Seton said, “the way to build the Church is to be children of the Church.” St. Francis of Assisi said “the way to build the Church that has fallen into ruins is to become poor and obey the Church in all things.” Finally, Christ says that we serve by “taking up the cross” and following him.

None of these involves taking matters into our own hands. All involve denying ourselves in some way to achieve our salvation. Through the grace that we receive as we journey toward our eternal salvation, the Church is nurtured.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
JReducation said:
We are to hold no one in contempt. But even Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. He didn’t hold her in contempt, neither did he condone adultery. He challenged those tried to stone her too.

There is a balance that has to be found here. We treat human beings with the respect and love they deserve; but we state the obvious too. A sin is a sin, regardless of how much one loves.

The ends never justify the means. Man may never choose evil to correct a problem. Man must always choose the good. To risk one’s soul is never justifiable. To disobey the Church on a matter as serious as this is a choice for evil.

The low numbers of priests and religious will be filled by the grace of the God in whatever manner God sees fit. Only God can call a man to the priesthood. Only God can call a man to the diaconate. Only God can call a man or woman to the religiosu life or consecrated lay life. It is not up to man to decide to take up the cause without being called. It is up to man to make himself available to God, should he want to use us in this way.

You’re very right. Jesus would call these women to follow him in the same way that he called the Samaritan woman to follow him. He invited her to ask him for life-giving water and to leave her sinful life behind. There is no argument here. Jesus comes to save, not to condemn. He does not call people to follow him and continue on the same sinful path simultaneously.

St. Clare of Assisi once said that the best way to build the Church was through total surrender to God’s will. St. Bruno, the founder of the Carthusians said, “the way to build the Church is to seek only God.” St. Elizabeth Ann Seton said, “the way to build the Church is to be children of the Church.” St. Francis of Assisi said “the way to build the Church that has fallen into ruins is to become poor and obey the Church in all things.” Finally, Christ says that we serve by “taking up the cross” and following him.

None of these involves taking matters into our own hands. All involve denying ourselves in some way to achieve our salvation. Through the grace that we receive as we journey toward our eternal salvation, the Church is nurtured.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
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Amen. Well said.👍 👍
 
PoliSciProf said:
The Baltimore Sun reports that a “devout Catholic” woman, a mother of 3 grown children, felt “absolutely peaceful and and very joyfull” at her “ordination.”
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I feel good when I play pretend too.
 
PoliSciProf said:
The Baltimore Sun reports that a “devout Catholic” woman, a mother of 3 grown children, felt “absolutely peaceful and and very joyfull” at her “ordination.” She said “It isn’t about me, it’s about moving the Catholic Church forward.”

O Tempora, O Mores! Full Story below:

baltimoresun.com/news/local/annearundel/bal-ar.priest21dec21,0,27947.story?page=1
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When people make this kind of statement they set themselves up as a parallel Magisterium with the authority to act upon the Church. No society can have two governments.

JR 🙂
 
We have entered into a new covenant with God, through Jesus Christ whose crucifixion won us our salvation and whose teachings for us are love for every one of our brothers and peace in this world. We cannot approach Him if we are at odds with our brother. Let’s celebrate His birthday by showing our capacity for those teachings.
 
It has been my understanding, as a convert, that the teaching against women’s ordination in the RCC comes not from the Church leadership but from Christ Himself, and the Church is merely following His guidance. He was radical in His time and could easily have chosen a woman to be an Apostle, but He did not.

To rely one one’s feelings as a motivation to do something so drastic as ordination seems to me to be the epitome of hubris. Consider that men seeking ordination submit themselves to the discernment of the Church. The word “submit” seems key here.

A short story: when I began investigating becoming a Catholic, I was a young woman in my late teens and had a very hard time accepting the birth control stance of the Church. But I assented, solely out of my obedience to The Church and the idea that maybe, just maybe, 2,000 years worth of theologians might know something that I, at age 20, did not.

Eventually, when I married, my spouse and I elected to use no birth control in obedience to the Magisterium. As our married life progressed, and I continued to live out the teaching even though I was uncertain of it, I began to understand it more clearly.

I do not believe that I would ever have been able to truly comprehend the reasons behind that teaching unless I experienced the grace that came from obeying it. Women seeking to be ordained are unable to accept that grace that comes from obedience.

They need our prayers and our love, and our continued gentle reminders that they are not the decision makers in this world. None of us are: only God is.
 
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