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PRmerger
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I welcome any Mormon into my home. Why wouldn’t I want to talk about my faith with him?
Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.
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Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.
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PRmerger
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Fair enough.I’m going to try my best to stay on the thread topic only.
It just makes your comments suspect.
I believe someone on this forum once said something to the effect: absence of evidence is evidence that the statement made was false.
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2nd_Adam
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Let’s try to stay within the thread topic and not make it about Mormonism. There are many threads on that topic already. I have many friends and neighbors of the Mormon Faith and love them too. If you want to discuss Mormoninsm and the Catholic Faith with Zee please do, but I don’t think that’s within the thread topic; therefore, please do it on another thread. I hope you can honor and respect that. The only contribution that I can make with a Catholic and Mormon debate is that I receive Catholics as my Christian siblings and do not receive Mormons as my Christian siblings based on official theological postions for each religious community.I welcome any Mormon into my home. Why wouldn’t I want to talk about my faith with him?
Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.
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Dancelittleewok
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In other words, PR, 2ndAdam is only allowed to bring up Zee’s Mormonism whenever he posts against 2A’s beliefs and tells him to repent, decrying any Catholics that suggest charity; even implying that by giving Zee charity, you are in fact agreeing with Zee’s Mormon Jesus and believing another gospel. If you bring up how he does this, you are off topic.
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PRmerger
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As you wish.
However, it’s quite a peculiar comment, as I was only responding to* your* comment about Mormonism.
Actually, I rescind my comment above about complying to your wishes and not making this about Mormonism. It’s quite outrageous, actually, for you to ask me such a thing, in light of *your *postings on Mormonism.
Dancelittleewok, you are absolutely correct.
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PRmerger
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Again, whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.
And, fortunately, that is what Mother Teresa did to the dying Hindus–saw Christ in them no matter what their religious ideologies might be.
Do you not see Christ in Mormons, Adam?
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2nd_Adam
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The Love of God through Propitiation!
For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. - Rom 5
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. - 1 John 4:8-10
The Love of God through Adoption
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. 1 John 3
So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. - Rom 8
I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. - Gal 3
Let’s rejoice in our sonship together, God is our eternal Heveanly Father! :harp::grouphug:
For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. - Rom 5
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. - 1 John 4:8-10
The Love of God through Adoption
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. 1 John 3
So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. - Rom 8
I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God. - Gal 3
Let’s rejoice in our sonship together, God is our eternal Heveanly Father! :harp::grouphug:
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2nd_Adam
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Are you saying Mother Teresa and the Catholic Church believes Hinduism saves sinners apart from receiving and believing the good news of God? I do not see the historic biblical Jesus Christ in the Mormon religion. I think the Magisterium would agree with me because I find that the Magisterium will only give the title of separated Christian brethrens to historic Christians only.
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PRmerger
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Amen, Adam! We are God’s adopted children through our baptism!
We are also the Bride of Christ, but, unfortunately, some of these “brides” are unable to enjoy the One Flesh Union with Him.
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Dancelittleewok
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2nd_Adam
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How is it charity to tell Mormons, Muslims, Jews, and Hindus that they have peace and reconcilation with God apart from faith in the Triune God that we worship. If you believe God saves sinners apart from faith in the historic Jesus Christ, then Jesus died in vain. It was an unecessary mission of Jesus to save sinners from their sins if there are other roads to Heaven. I though the Catholic Faith embraced the truth of John 14:6?In other words, PR, 2ndAdam is only allowed to bring up Zee’s Mormonism whenever he posts against 2A’s beliefs and tells him to repent, decrying any Catholics that suggest charity; even implying that by giving Zee charity, you are in fact agreeing with Zee’s Mormon Jesus and believing another gospel. If you bring up how he does this, you are off topic.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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izoid
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As Christians we are called to serve others, doing so is the same as serving Christ. We are not to look at others as outcasts but we are to treat them as though they were Christ with us.
This in way compromises our belief that they need Christ as their savior. I do not think that any knowledgeable Catholic or Protestant would claim that Hindus or Mormons know Christ but that does not give us the right to be abusive and hostile towards them.
You remind me so much of myself at one time in my life not too long a go. I used to make the same arguments and the phrases to defend my hostility, “it is loving to tell people the truth”. I was hostile and aggressive just like you are now Adam. I have come to realize that it is truly the work of Satan that made me act that way. I did more harm for the truth of Christ and His love by acting that way. I hope you take some time to evaluate where you are and repent of the anger towards Zee and others who think differently than you.
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izoid
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I don’t think anyone has done this. Just because someone does not know the truth of Christ does not make them a target worthy of your anger and aggressive hostility.
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2nd_Adam
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Okay, how have I been abusive and hostile to Zee? Please reference any of my posting to support your conclusions. I think you will find Jesus and the Apostles were quite strong with false teachers, even acursing them to Hell. Heck, Paul rebuked Peter to his face publicly for not being in line with the truth of the gospel because false teaching brings destruction to entire households.
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izoid
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Come on Adam, you know how. Your disdain for him and all that he believes is clear. You treat him as a second class citizen and are extremely mean spirited when talking to him or about him.
You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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2nd_Adam
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“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. - Jesus
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Zee is a Mormon missionary on Catholic Answers. He is intentionally bringing the Mormon gospel to us. Either he is right and we are apostate in need of restoration through the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint, or he is a false prophet.
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izoid
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I don’t think any of us are unaware of the false gospel of Mormonism. At least we know who we are dealing with.
On the other hand, are you attempting to lure Catholics away from Catholicism and towards Protestantism? You claim solidarity but renounce many of the Catholic doctrines, doctrines that should make us heretics in your mind.
How do you feel about an individual who adores, worships the Eucharist? Are they worshipping a false God?
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PRmerger
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LOL! Um…nope.
What do you mean by “historic Christians” only? Are you saying that the Magisterium differentiates between contemporary Christians and historic Christians? If so, can you please provide documentation for this? (Or will this be off-topic taboo also?
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Dancelittleewok
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You’ve now proven izoid’s point. Thank you.
I’m sure by now, after Zee has posted and you’ve posted about the gospel, I am very sure Zee is aware. Yes, we are to speak the truth but with charity. (see opening page of CAF forums, the text below where you sign in).
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2nd_Adam
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That’s not true at all. Because I love him, I speak the truth in love to him. Because I want him to know God through the living Jesus Christ, I speak the truth in love, giiving him no false assurance in the Mormon hope. If you think I am mean to him, just reference the postings that you are making that claim and report it to a moderator. Otherwise, please don’t slander me without supporting what you post. I have found other Catholics who have discerned Mormonism as I have, but post way stronger than I do with Zee.
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