That’s agreed but you’ve chosen to shun izoid and Zee because their various backgrounds and perspectives. You’ve chosen to use CAF’s open dialogue policy to defend yourself but not the others disagreeing with you.
A merely imputed righteousness leaves the sinner…a sinner-deceived into believing he’s eligible for entrance into heaven.
I can’t believe you are back on this again! I thought you had read the Joint Declaration and realized that the split during the Reformation over the doctrine of justification was a communication problem.
Hey brother,ill be really honest with you brother 2nd. i have found more joy and affection and fulfillment, since i have accepte the teachings of Christ and His Church. nothing can fill me with greater joy, than knowing that my service to others, my sharing in their joys and sufferings actually mean something. also my own sufferings and hardships have meaning, and joy can be found in them. protestantism tends to avoid the question of suffering, because they think it is something to be delivered from at all cost. Catholocism teaches that we can offer up our sufferings in communion with Christ and share in His suffering. this is far deeper than most protestants are willing to go. the protestants ive known tend to think that they are being punished by Gog for some trangression when things are not going well. and THAT robs many of THEM from a closer walk and communion with the Risen one. all these things are tied in together. our whole life is to be the life of Christ. not just an easy believism. God bless you and yours. and i disagree my Catholic brothers and sisters. lets not ignore him, this is a chance for us to learn forbearance and patience as well.lets all remember who we serve here. God bless every one of you.
The Joint Declaration is between a branch of Lutherans and the Catholic Church. I think you know that I am not Lutheran. In addition, the Joint Declaration does not represent all Lutheran branches. From the historic Protestant perspective, the cause of the Protestant Reformation is the heart of the gospel also known as the doctrine of justification. It was not just a communication problem 500 years ago, nor is it just a communication problem today.I can’t believe you are back on this again! I thought you had read the Joint Declaration and realized that the split during the Reformation over the doctrine of justification was a communication problem.
The reformation was not caused by Catholic teaching on the sufficiency of Christ, or lack of it.
Disagree. Christ is sufficient because He is God, and He would still be sufficient even if he did not credit any accounts.
God does not justify whom He does not sanctify, and He does not sanctify whom He does not justify. Both are essential elements of salvation.
If you take what the Apostles believed according to Sacred Scripture, your posting would not stand up to the light of Scirpture. What must I do to be saved was asked by the Philippian jailer. The Apostles’ answer to that most important question is recorded in Sacred Scripture - church history book known as the Acts of the Apostles,
So basically sanctification equals justification?
FYI: Still unproven why Scripture is sufficient. Care to answer that, Adam?If you take what the Apostles believed according to Sacred Scripture, your posting would not stand up to the light of Scirpture. What must I do to be saved was asked by the Philippian jailer. The Apostles’ answer to that most important question is recorded in Sacred Scripture - church history book known as the Acts of the Apostles,
No… justification is based on the righteousness of Christ alone. We have peace with God, and have been reconciled to God because we are credited with the perfect righteousness of Christ through faith alone.
No basically they don’t. Did you bother to read anything I posted earlier. I think it was very detailed and complete.
Scripture is sufficient because Scripture points us to the one who is sufficient.
By your last reasoning, I’d think the Church is all sufficient because she points me who is all Sufficient, God, as well. Do you agree with that? Are you willing to declare that the Church is all sufficient?
OK, I’ll certainly agree they’re both essential elements of salvation.
I did. It was an eloquent post. Just wanted more clarification, the wording suggested that since both are apart of salvation, that salvation is both an event and ongoing…
You guys are more than welcome to discuss things with Izoid and Zee. Many Religious Forum sites have ignore features in which we can ignore certain posters. I think you can understand why we need the ability to ignore certain people. We are all sinners in process as Christians. So, please feel free to discuss things with Izoid and Zee. But for me, I need to move on with others who can discuss things in a better productive way for all of us. I’m not here to fight with others, but I’m here to be part of a community who is growing in our love for God.That’s agreed but you’ve chosen to shun izoid and Zee because their various backgrounds and perspectives. You’ve chosen to use CAF’s open dialogue policy to defend yourself but not the others disagreeing with you.
Yes, you have. And you have also consistently posted that Calvanism is the best representation of biblical theology you have yet encountered. It stands to reason that those who do not embrace it have fallen short of understanding biblical theology, does it not?
As you left out part of what the Pope was saying, you are also leaving out part of the CAF mission, 2nd. This is not some generic “mission field” from which you can profit to gather the elect to yourself. We are here to give Catholic Answers. Yes, we welcome everyone from various backgrounds and perspectives (even Mormons!), for the purpose of disseminating the Truth about the Catholic faith.
If that were true, I would not be here on CAF. On the contrary, I seek out people like yourself that appear to be hostile toward the Catholic faith.
Yes, and that the HS uses these ecclesial communities to bring people to Himself. Except that the Apostles did not teach anything like “true” believers as opposed to some other kind.
I thank you for your permission, however, you can be sure that I have done this many times without it.
I think you have plenty of questions on your plate right now.
I think you are confusing confrontation of hypocrisy with a lack of love. Paul in fact was showing love toward the Apostle Peter when he confronted him about his duplicitious behavior. Peter, like Tweety, claimed to believe something that he then did not practice. As long as Tweety holds herself out to be Catholic then publicly repudiate the Teachings of the Church, this will be a matter of concern to those of us who embrace all that the Church teaches and believes.
This has always been the historic Protestant position.
Please note that biblical theology is not the same as systematic theology. I believe Calvinism is the best systematic theology, but like all theologies it falls short since God is infinite and we all know in part. However, the Catholic Faith is not based on Sola Scriptura so we are not on the same page on this point.