You know the body of Christ is much more diverse than you think. We can learn to disagree agreeably and receive Christian teaching outside our own Christian circles. Are you trying to say that because I do not believe in the Eucharist in the exact same way as you that I cannot like or receive good teaching from Pope Benedict, Martin Luther, and Augustine? When Paul reveals in 1 Cor 13 that we know in part, does that exclude you? I think you need to give other Christians room to breath and to disagree agreeably, especially with other Catholics. Unless you are one of the Bishops that makeup the Magisterium, you are just one of one billion laity in the Catholic Church.The problem is that you pick and choose what you want to believe between their teachings and then you dare to claim that they agree with you. You judge a man by the body of his works, not be a couple of sentences taken out of context.
In Essentials, Unity, In Non-Essentials Diversity, In All Things CharityCan you point me to the scriptural references that define the essentials and the non essentials please?
Catholics need to find a way to work better with each other. Like the thousands of different protestant denominations?That’s one of the things I’ve learned through my time using the internet. There is a tendency, and it is one I have as much as many others, to disregard others once we find we do not entirely agree with each other on a specific issue. Even if we are in the right, we often are not right in our interaction with others. Very true.Even if we are right, we end up proving ourselves to be in the wrong. Once we prove ourselves to be doctrinally correct, it is easy to fee that all those who disagree with us must, by their nature, be morally reprehensible, and the kind of person we should label with some sort of nasty name, before disengaging ourselves from them, never to work with them again. But it is quite difficult, and takes much time and energy, to really understand doctrine; we should be patient with those who have not engaged a specific doctrine as we have, who find the doctrine itself is new to them. They will have questions. We must be willing to engage them the best we can. Of course, they must also work to make sure the questions are not engaged as a way to excuse themselves from the doctrine, but to understand it better.Who is it here that puts those who disagree with them in the “doghouse”? Should we all follow your lead with Zee, is it a good example of what you are encouraging us to do?
The worst thing to do is to label those we disagree with by some horrible name and then to try to blacklist them. Zee?Doing so will never impress outsiders; more importantly, it only serves to harden the hearts of those we criticize, to make sure no dialogue, no positive interaction, no change is possible. This is not the way a Catholic is to engage others. Is it the way that a protestant should engage others?We are called to work with each other in charity. Even when we find out that others are gravely wrong on an issue, we are to interpret what they say charitably, and to work with what is held in common to bring them to a new understanding. Again, should we use your treatment of Zee as an example?It’s not easy. In the heat of a debate, I know I fail at doing it. It’s also not easy to remember that our own background, study, and experience, especially on those areas close to our hearts, will be different from others who have not explored those issues on the same level and in the same amount of detail. Just because they do not end up agreeing with us at the end of a given discussion does not mean they are obstinate. It just means that, as is to be expected, the dialogue is only beginning. We should keep the dialogue open by being willing to work with those same people in other areas, areas in which we agree, so that we can better understand each other, and from there, work to show in the light of that agreement how we can find better accord in areas of disagreement. But if we just cut people off once we can’t convince them they are wrong, all we do is prove ourselves insecure in our own position. Unless, of course, we need to place them in the doghouse!
Recently, I have been impressed with the way some who hold positions I strongly protest (such on torture) have asked for further detail as to why people think they are wrong. Even though I do not think we have come to a common agreement, I think the openness is real, and the search for answers is real, and the worst thing would be to stop it by insult. On the other hand, there are some who I agree with on moral issues, who, nonetheless, bludgeon others on these same issues, and cause people to return to the kind of hard-heartedness which is going to prevent societal change. And their problem is not only in the savage, uncharitable, and undignified approach they take to their “opponents,” it’s how quickly they turn on their own, and try to find reasons to disregard each other as if they were looking to find out who should be “king of the internet hill.” With friends like these, who need enemies?
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Which do you like best, talking to yourself or to the wall? 
