Would you be so kind to show me where “my tradition nullifies this”? I would appreciate the Biblical text as well as the appropriate teaching from the Catholic Catechism.
God’s sovereign will is always done. Our wills cannot resist the sovereign will of God, because we are simply creatures as compared to the Creator.Feel free to explain the different terms.
What are your thoughts on this scripture?
I see a comparison of God’s will and our will.
Do you believe that all men are capable of coming to Him. If not, why can’t they?
The battle is about what is actual Sacred Tradition or human tradition. Just because you believe something is Sacred Tradition does not mean it is actually Sacred Tradition, rather it could be human tradition instead.
I think we all know that God’s grace is required to come to him. I don’t think you are taking a Pelgaius position, are you? Are you trying to say all men are capable of coming to Him apart from the grace of God?
My goodness! How much wishful thinking can be packed into such a short paragraph!
Never said that.
Very well said, thank you!
I see your point, and I can’t disagree about the tactics. I guess need to just give up my selfish desire to continue the topic. It may be this is his way of avoiding going there, and I need to respect that.
I gotta tell you 2nd, your condescending attitude here really does not seem conducive to your goals.
I have always been curious about this, maybe you can help me. How come God commands men to do something that cannot be done? I mean, if only the elect are able to respond to the command,Do you see my difficulty?
If this is true, then when He commands all to repent, why do they not?
I see your point. We don’t have that problem though, since what is sacred has been preserved through the Apostolic command to do so.
yes, we all do need God’s grace to come to him.
This is a very good point. I don’t suppose you would copy it to the thread on birth control? It may be a moot point. If, as you say, 2nd is only doing this to obfuscate, he will not go there to have the discussion.
Perhaps we do need to think of it, but you need to do so in the context of answering the question that was posed to you. If you fail to answer the question, there is no point in understanding what you brought up - unless, of course, you have a discussion in mind apart from the discussion at hand. So lets replay the question so that you can actually answer it.
Ryan Oneil said:
I think we have two issues. You are jumping into a discussion I am having with Ryan Oneil who seems to have a better understanding of the issues. The second issue is that you are trying to anticipate a Calvinist response without even attempting to discuss things between two Christians. I don’t mind discussing things with you, but we should all try to tone it down a few notches.
Hey thanks for mentioning me again and yes I do believe in birth control,period.
Amen
I do to, having spent years dispensing it in a medical clinic, and facilitating abortions, it would be impossible for me to admit that it does not exist. Please bring your “beliefs, period” to the other thread, so that we can avoid derailing this one.
It’s not a Catholic book my friend. Even the Catholic Catechism is in agreement with me that the Bible is God-breathed and the Word of God. To say that it is a Catholic book is to bring it down to a lower level. Peter and the Apostles were Christians and not Catholic in the way you define Catholic.
Excuse me sir I did not bring it up just answering a post. Hey but thanks anyway
