The Suicide of the West

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More Americans own stocks because companies have been cutting defined pension plans and simply providing 401k’s and other such stock based programs so the worker gets screwed, the corporation benefits.

I am actually a free market capitalist but I am absolutely opposed to Corporate Capitalism. In a true Laissez-Faire system corporations would not exist as they have no existence outside of being a legal entity created by state governments. They are a legal fiction protected by the state.
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Corporations are merely groups of individuals voluntarily pooling their resources and labor for a common purpose. All participants in a corporate enterprise, ie. investors, managers, workers, customers, and suppliers are volunteers.

Corporations would exist even without government intervention. I agree that government should not favor certain organizations or individuals, including corporations.
 
No it isn’t. Meet Thomas Piketty.

The problem is that once economy became energy-limited, the real GDP growth per capita stalled to zero (there is a nominal GDP growth, but it’s caused by the financial industry moving virtual money around). In other words, worker’s productivity grows as long as the amount of energy he has available grows. To use a naive example, a worker equipped with a 2kW power drill will work twice faster as the one equipped with a 1kW power drill, thus have 2x productivity of the former. As energy (name removed by moderator)ut per capita is constant since 1975 (even arguably decreasing since 2005), so is energy per worker, and so the growth of the real economy (per capita) is zero.

However, if you happen to belong to the capitalist class, and your income comes from capital investments (i.e. usury), then the growth rate of your capital is what Fed declares – which is non-zero.

IOW, the capitalist is borrowing the worker the money to buy the 2kW power drill, but the worker has only 1kW available to him, so he has no net profit from the new drill, so the capitalist forecloses on him – and so, the wealth is moved from the worker to the capitalist.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/21797/large/Corp_profits_v._GDP.png
This is an interesting graph. But “corporate profit” rate increases don’t tell us anything about corporate income as a percentage of GDP, let alone what the return is on capital that is NOT corporate capital.

I can, however, concede that the Fed holding interest rates down below what a market rate probably would have been for years and years and years, rewards SOME capital unduly, though not all. One would have to average that in with the return on ALL capital. What is the amount that is said to be “sitting on the sdielines” earning miniscule money market rates? Isn’t it a trillion dollars or so? If so, of course, that’s not entirely due to the Fed. Some of it is probably “fear money”; people who are afraid of this administration’s next moves.

And I already conceded that capital’s overall percentage share increases in times of employment underutilization.
 
Over here, the communists were also saying that was is good for them is good for everyone – and we all know how that turned out.
Reminds one of Milo Minderbinder’s dictum in “Catch 22”…"…and everybody has a share"
It can be just as false in a capitalist society as it is in a socialist one.
 
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Corporations are merely groups of individuals voluntarily pooling their resources and labor for a common purpose. All participants in a corporate enterprise, ie. investors, managers, workers, customers, and suppliers are volunteers.

Corporations would exist even without government intervention. I agree that government should not favor certain organizations or individuals, including corporations.
No they are not. What you are describing is a joint partnership, those are completely distinct legal entities from corporations and they would definitely exist if there were no corporations. Corporations are granted unique legal status and legal protection that do not exist for joint partnerships which protects the assets of owners of said corporation and limits their personal risk involved. It also protects them from criminal activities that the corporation engages in, not all criminal activity mind you, but it provides a huge shield that is not available to either a sole proprietor, or a joint partnership. Without direct state intervention, corporations would not exist, only joint partnerships would be able to exist. Trust me on this, I went to law school and passed two Bar exams. Corporations absolutely would not exist unless the state created them. Corporations have their own set of “legal rights” that are granted based upon incorporation is whatever state they are filed in. Why do you think it is so important for companies, even small companies to file for incorporation? Because it offers unique legal rights and protections that shield one’s assets.
 
A very interesting article. People sense that something is wrong. Fingers point in every direction. But I agree with this:

ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e6fa9024-86b6-11e4-9c2d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3MeYkvPGl

However, I suspect it goes much deeper than economics. The ‘clinical depression’ of the West is fundamentally spiritual. Economic depression is just the most obvious symptom of it.
Contraception is the cause.

catholicexchange.com/contraception-the-bacteria-devouring-americas-soul

-Tim-
 
No they are not. What you are describing is a joint partnership, those are completely distinct legal entities from corporations and they would definitely exist if there were no corporations. Corporations are granted unique legal status and legal protection that do not exist for joint partnerships which protects the assets of owners of said corporation and limits their personal risk involved. It also protects them from criminal activities that the corporation engages in, not all criminal activity mind you, but it provides a huge shield that is not available to either a sole proprietor, or a joint partnership. Without direct state intervention, corporations would not exist, only joint partnerships would be able to exist. Trust me on this, I went to law school and passed two Bar exams. Corporations absolutely would not exist unless the state created them. Corporations have their own set of “legal rights” that are granted based upon incorporation is whatever state they are filed in. Why do you think it is so important for companies, even small companies to file for incorporation? Because it offers unique legal rights and protections that shield one’s assets.
I’m fine with your definition.

I wasn’t trying to use legal language. My point was that people working together voluntarily for common purpose is good.

I also believe that these groups of people should have legal rights just as other individuals and groups do.

What I oppose is government favoring one group over another.
 
Reminds one of Milo Minderbinder’s dictum in “Catch 22”…"…and everybody has a share"
It can be just as false in a capitalist society as it is in a socialist one.
Some have described the system we had over here as “state capitalism”, meaning that everything was owned by the state which was managed by a narrow clique.

I’d argue that US is moving towards a system where everything is owned by a narrow clique which also manages the state.

The end result is the same 🙂
 
This is an interesting graph. But “corporate profit” rate increases don’t tell us anything about corporate income as a percentage of GDP, let alone what the return is on capital that is NOT corporate capital.
What I wanted to show with that graph is that labor’s share of GDP is decreasing.

My conjecture is that this is due to limited supply of primary energy, which is limiting growth in the productive part of the economy.
 
I’m fine with your definition.

I wasn’t trying to use legal language. My point was that people working together voluntarily for common purpose is good.

I also believe that these groups of people should have legal rights just as other individuals and groups do.

What I oppose is government favoring one group over another.
I am in agreement with you, but I think only individuals have rights and whatever rights a group of people has only derive from the people’s individual rights. So if a group of people want to get together and pool their resources to form a business entity, that is perfectly fine, I am just opposed to granting specially legally created rights for these institutions.
 
I am in agreement with you, but I think only individuals have rights and whatever rights a group of people has only derive from the people’s individual rights. So if a group of people want to get together and pool their resources to form a business entity, that is perfectly fine, I am just opposed to granting specially legally created rights for these institutions.
That sounds right to me. 👍
 
Really?

http://content.gallup.com/origin/ga...roduction/Cms/POLL/ydinxq9ege2qvofblcdlaa.gif

Rather an owned society.

Over here, the communists were also saying that was is good for them is good for everyone – and we all know how that turned out.
I think most brokers would confirm for you that the participation of ordinary people in the stock market is not what it once was. Likely that’s due to the whipping so many took in 2009; the ones who sold at the bottom and never returned out of fear.

The bond market, on the other hand, is quite active. For me, a person who has seen the consequences of interest rate upticks in the past, that’s scary.
 
That’s because they weasel out of a lot of new laws and regulations by funneling money offshore and other gimmicks to avoid the actual tax rate.
Source?
Main Street American can’t funnel its money around the Caymans or Ireland to avoid Democrat Party tax rates.
Actually the corporate income tax hasn’t been reformed since Reagan, so both democrats and republicans have responsibility for our current corporate tax system.
But that’s what you get when you vote based on skin colour, age and who is cool. If Americans want to vote on the basis of trivial means, then they’ll probably get trivial leadership.
Also, a lot of growth has been in spite of the Obama Administration. States like North Dakota and Texas are booming because of state policies.
How would you establish that it is because of their policies and not because of the increase in oil prices?
 
What I wanted to show with that graph is that labor’s share of GDP is decreasing.

My conjecture is that this is due to limited supply of primary energy, which is limiting growth in the productive part of the economy.
Having read your definition of “primary energy”, my further question is what potential (I guess they’re always 'potential" by definition) sources are you saying are limited to any discernibly threatening degree?

As I understand “primary energy” to mean, essentially “untapped energy sources”, then it’s reasonable to believe “primary energy” is always limited, since we don’t consider oil, gas, coal, uranium, to be somehow spontaneously generating underground.

But the fact that primary energy is always limited of its nature does not mean that somehow limits growth in the economy at any given point in time. There has to be more to your proposition.
 
But the fact that primary energy is always limited of its nature does not mean that somehow limits growth in the economy at any given point in time. There has to be more to your proposition.
Assume a national economy which is powered entirely by oil.

Assume that said economy needs 1 kWh of energy to produce 7$ of GDP.

Assume that GDP is 7 trillion dollars.

This means that, in order to produce 7 trillion dollars of GDP, the economy must first produce 1 trillion kWh of energy. Burning one barrel of crude produces 533kWh, therefore the economy must consume 1876 million barrels of crude per year.

Assume that GDP growth is 3% year-to-year. This means that in the next year, the economy will produce 7.21 trillion dollars of GDP, which requires producing 1.03 kWh of energy, which in turns requires burning 1932 million barrels of crude. On the second year, the value of the economy will be 7.42 trillion dollars, and producing that value will require energy (name removed by moderator)ut of 1.06 trillion kWh, which requires burning 1990 million barrels of crude.

On the third year, the required (name removed by moderator)ut of crude is 2048 million barrels. However, (for whatever reason), only 1990 million barrels have been available, like the year before. This means that GDP cannot grow, because there is no corresponding increase in primary energy entering the economy (in the form of crude). This, of course, is a recession.
As I understand “primary energy” to mean, essentially “untapped energy sources”, then it’s reasonable to believe “primary energy” is always limited, since we don’t consider oil, gas, coal, uranium, to be somehow spontaneously generating underground.
You’re close.

The basic postulate is that infinite GDP growth is impossible, because at one point the entire energy resource will be used up. No more energy = no more GDP.

The specific postulate I was making here is that if the production of energy resources cannot keep up with growing demand (i.e. due to embargo (1973) or depletion (2009)) then this triggers an economic crisis (GDP stops growing and drops to the level dictated by the energy (name removed by moderator)ut). The crisis will not end until energy (name removed by moderator)ut increases (or the economy finds a way to produce more GDP per unit of energy).

This is of course the problem, because the monetary system based on usury require constant GDP growth to avoid mass default.
Having read your definition of “primary energy”, my further question is what potential (I guess they’re always 'potential" by definition) sources are you saying are limited to any discernibly threatening degree?
At this point? Oil.
 
It is well known that Japan faces a demographic crisis, as it’s aging population (more than 1 in 4 over 65 years old) drags on economic potential. But at the other end of the age spectrum, Japan has a bigger problem: as Bloomberg’s Emily Greenhouse calls it - a libido crisis. The birthrate is falling fast. By 2060, the population is expected to go down by a third, and, by 2100, if trends continue, by 61%. Simply put, there is not enough procreation. We previously noted the fact that young Japanese has stopped having sex, but the situation has got worse and government and economists are looking for solutions: from imposing “handsome taxes” to make it easier for uglier men to get laid, to changing women’s attitudes towards sex as “bothersome.”
zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-25/japan-considers-handsome-tax-libido-crisis-looms
 
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