"The Surprising Reason Why Human Teeth Are A Design Disaster - Cheddar Explains"

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Human teeth, and the human body are an amazing design.
Design disaster is like saying that beautiful red sports car had a design flaw when the driver was drinking and driving and wrapped the car around a tree.
 
PennyinCanada said:
Human teeth, and the human body are an amazing design.
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That’s why we have a useless appendix that could rupture and kill us, wisdom teeth that require removal, top-draining sinuses that result in more colds than our primate relatives with bottom draining sinuses, and all manner of allergies and genetic conditions which significantly impair or stop function.
 
Have you always been a ‘glass half empty’ kind of guy? lol
 
Animals seldom see genetic problems because their young that get them just die.

Human life, specifically the mind, chooses not to accept that.

Allergies are often our own doing. The UN uses peanut paste as a protein source for kids in poorer countries, the peanut allergies that cause so much trouble being mostly a problem in the Western nations.

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Have you always been a ‘glass half empty’ kind of guy? lol
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I’m a glass-half-full person, but I realize and accept that the human body is far from perfect.
GEddie said:
Animals seldom see genetic problems because their young that get them just die.

Human life, specifically the mind, chooses not to accept that.
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So how exactly does that prove that God “designed our bodies perfectly”?
 
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As a physical body designed by God, yes, there are some poor choices in our design. From an evolutionary point of view, pretty much every one of them makes sense. Evolution doesn’t need us to be perfect…just good enough. Maybe God also designed us to be just good enough, too?
 
To say that God made “poor choices” in our design is to accept the underlying confusion in the premise of the argument from poor design: that imperfection is “poor design.” Rather: imperfection (and degrees of more or less good) is necessary for anything that isn’t God. And if we accept some gradation in the material order — that there can be some perfection of bodies — is an argument demonstrating the existence of supreme being.

Imagine anything material and there is always some way it is “poor” and could be “better.”
 
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Rather: imperfection (and degrees of more or less good) is necessary for anything that isn’t God.
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Our bodies already degrade as we age. All the other stuff is poor design. Any attempt to dodge that is just denial of facts. If God designed our bodies to be this way, the sheer amount of bodily imperfections is pretty evil.
 
You’re right, it’s the problem of evil. Why create anything that isn’t God? It’s always going to be relatively evil. There is no dodging of facts in the logic, if you look at the argument from gradation. There is going to be evil if creation is not God. So, to be or not to be?
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All the other stuff is poor design
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Again, that’s just a semantic confusion: it’s imperfect; everything is “poor design” relative to perfect being. Imagine anything material and it’s always “poor” in some way.
 
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Why did God design our bodies with any of our various imperfections? All of which can serve deadly if circumstances are just wrong?

If you’re right, God is directly responsible for all those errors. I get that God wouldn’t create anything perfect. That is why we get sick and die. Why did God have to add in all those other things that make it so much easier for us to be miserable, to die slowly and painfully?
 
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Pattylt said:
As a physical body designed by God, yes, there are some poor choices in our design. From an evolutionary point of view, pretty much every one of them makes sense. Evolution doesn’t need us to be perfect…just good enough. Maybe God also designed us to be just good enough, too?
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If limitations are useful for growth and learning, then the limitations of the body likewise exist because of Providence.
 
You can die without the extremely painful and slow ways our bodily imperfections allow us to die in.
 
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But we don’t. A fact that makes the angels jealous.
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That certainly makes people who choked to death, died from sepsis, burst their appendix, lost their lungs to pneumonia, and slowly deteriorated from diseases like Huntington’s or Parkinson’s feel better about dying.
 
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That certainly makes people who choked to death, died from sepsis, burst their appendix, lost their lungs to pneumonia, and slowly deteriorated from diseases like Huntington’s or Parkinson’s feel better about dying.
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I haven’t had any of those things but I almost drowned this past July and while I was definitely fighting off extreme panic as I stayed afloat, all of those emotions going through me sure did make me pray up a storm.
 
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TK421 said:
I haven’t had any of those things but I almost drowned this past July and while I was definitely fighting off extreme panic as I stayed afloat, all of those emotions going through me sure did make me pray up a storm.
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First of all, I am glad you made it through.

Drowning is not a result of all our imperfections. It’s not a chronic illness that saps the life and hope of the patient, or an acute one that happened because of bodily imperfections. These diseases and harms are what I’m talking about. There’s no reason for them to exist beyond suffering for its sake.
 
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TK421:
I haven’t had any of those things but I almost drowned this past July and while I was definitely fighting off extreme panic as I stayed afloat, all of those emotions going through me sure did make me pray up a storm.
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First of all, I am glad you made it through.

Drowning is not a result of all our imperfections. It’s not a chronic illness that saps the life and hope of the patient, or an acute one that happened because of bodily imperfections. These diseases and harms are what I’m talking about. There’s no reason for them to exist beyond suffering for its sake.
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It didn’t seem that way to me. Gills would have been really handy. Or simply not needing oxygen. Or leg muscles that can keep working forever.

The point is that whether it’s environmental or genetic or infectious or age: people die from various stuff and we can unite that suffering with Christ and make it redemptive and grow through it.
 
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It didn’t seem that way to me. Gills would have been really handy. Or simply not needing oxygen. Or leg muscles that can keep working forever.
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Those aren’t imperfections. Not being extremophiles doesn’t make us imperfect, because there are some situations we just aren’t supposed to be in, and we generally have control over that.
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The point is that whether it’s environmental or genetic or infectious or age: people die from various stuff and we can unite that suffering with Christ and make it redemptive and grow through it.
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While I agree that there can be a bright side, you also need to see that these things are not from God. The diseases and conditions resulting from how our bodies are structured are evils that God tolerates and brings good out of, like any other evil.
 
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