The Telegraph: Why is there no looting in Japan?

[qui_est_ce]

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Reagan giving individuals (who as you note are Americans) money for injustices committed against them is a far cry from helping rebuild the Japanese economy.

If you find something that shows the US actually putting money into the Japanese economy prior to the outbreak of the Korean war, I’d love to see it.

Ok. Please reread my posts. I never said the US GAVE money, I said they helped rebuild the country. American paid employees were sent over there. We HELPED Japan. I guess that’s up to interpretation of what constitutes help.

My point was the Japanese were able to overcome great stigma and racism in less than 1/2 century. We are now friends with Japan. I think Americans of Japanese descent are well respected in the USA.

We need to build a culture of personal responsibility among those who are getting welfare generation after generation. This didn’t start until 1965 under Lyndon Johnson’s well-intentioned Great Society.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

The answer is almost there in the question. Different cultures just have different mindsets and values. The Japanese especially have more pressure to promote honor for themselves and their families, and it helps that the general public is not allowed to own handguns. Even when there is crime, it tends to be “higher-class” and more organized.

In America, especially in the New Orleans area (which is where I was born and raised, so I’m well aware of this behavior), there really is the mindset of wanting preservation and improvement only for oneself. The value of family and respect tends to be much more downplayed here, especially in the poorer minority populations that have historically often been left to fend for themselves. Regrettably, that’s how the pattern seems to be, and it seems to have been going for generations.

I continue to pray for the Japanese and their recovery from this terrible tragedy. I truly admire their strength in the midst of this and thank God for that as well.

I agree with this and I would also add--------------

Japanese culture stresses the society over the individual------unlike American or other Western cultures.

Whether that is right or not is open to debate, but it helps a lot in understanding what is going on in Japan right now.

Just my opinion.

Take it for what it is.

 

[Nine_Two]

Ok. Please reread my posts. I never said the US GAVE money, I said they helped rebuild the country. American paid employees were sent over there. We HELPED Japan. I guess that’s up to interpretation of what constitutes help.

My point was the Japanese were able to overcome great stigma and racism in less than 1/2 century. We are now friends with Japan. I think Americans of Japanese descent are well respected in the USA.

We need to build a culture of personal responsibility among those who are getting welfare generation after generation. This didn’t start until 1965 under Lyndon Johnson’s well-intentioned Great Society.

Disregarding semantics, I agree with your point, which is why I never argued against it.

 

[AngloCatholic1]

A fair number of the people shooting unarmed civilians in that disaster were cops. New Orleans had a lot of terrible problems heading into that disaster. Poverty and lots of armed criminal violence. A police force with a record of corruption and brutality equal to that of any Third World nation anywhere.

Post Katrina, you had a situation where all traces of social, legal and physical infrastructure were gone and people had been left to die in squalid conditions for weeks out of disorganization and incompetence. NO had more than its share of trouble in the best times. Is it any surprise that it got worse under these conditions? Of course there will always be criminals who seize the opportunity that disaster presents. Anyone who thinks that isn’t happening in Japan right now is naive, at best. They have some factors pulling in their favor to be sure. They don’t have the grinding poverty we’ve allowed in this country. They don’t have a society in which street thugs can buy military grade weapons for a day’s pay. They have a demographic distribution which has lots of very old folks.

There is an ugly and (barely) unspoken subtext of this thread which suggest that as vicious as the Japanese have been, at least they’re inherently orderly and virtuous folk, unlike the darkies and liberals who have corrupted the West. There’s a lot of racial theory at play here…

I was one of the very first to make a comment on this thread, and in answer to the question: “Why is there no looting in Japan?” I gave two possible answers: 1) The Japanese are, on average, of very high intelligence. 2)The have a tightly knit, monocultural social fabric which teaches morality in public schools, along with respect for teachers and elders.

With that in mind, your defense of the behaviour of the citizens of New Orleans during Katrina has only STRENGTHENED my argument. You are falling victim to political correctness to the point of denying REALITY. You stated that Japan can cope with disaster better because they are a wealthy nation, whilst the “grinding poverty” in New Orleans (for generations before Katrina) contributed to the looting and shootings. THAT’S MY POINT EXACTLY! Are you actually implying that the poverty in N.O. has nothing at all to do with the demographic of its FREE citizens? Do you really think it has something to do with racial oppression? Oh, really?; then can you please SHOW ME another city on the face of this planet that is at least 67% black (those are the current stats) where people live a whole lot better than they do in N.O.? Also, can you please show me a city that is at least 67% black (anywhere in the world) where there would be a complete absence of looting after an earthquake, tsunami or hurricane? You get BONUS POINTS if you can name such a city that was also established, built and administrated by blacks! Go ahead, I’m waiting.

 

[GratefulDad]

I was one of the very first to make a comment on this thread, and in answer to the question: “Why is there no looting in Japan?” I gave two possible answers: 1) The Japanese are, on average, of very high intelligence. 2)The have a tightly knit, monocultural social fabric which teaches morality in public schools, along with respect for teachers and elders.

With that in mind, your defense of the behaviour of the citizens of New Orleans during Katrina has only STRENGTHENED my argument. You are falling victim to political correctness to the point of denying REALITY. You stated that Japan can cope with disaster better because they are a wealthy nation, whilst the “grinding poverty” in New Orleans (for generations before Katrina) contributed to the looting and shootings. THAT’S MY POINT EXACTLY! Are you actually implying that the poverty in N.O. has nothing at all to do with the demographic of its FREE citizens? Do you really think it has something to do with racial oppression? Oh, really?; then can you please SHOW ME another city on the face of this planet that is at least 67% black (those are the current stats) where people live a whole lot better than they do in N.O.? Also, can you please show me a city that is at least 67% black (anywhere in the world) where there would be a complete absence of looting after an earthquake, tsunami or hurricane? You get BONUS POINTS if you can name such a city that was also established, built and administrated by blacks! Go ahead, I’m waiting.

:clapping:

There are few to no Poverty Pimps in Japan. No one is telling one group of people that another group of people is lucking in the way they make money to support their families and it is up to the politicians to steal and redistribute the lucky families money.

No one is training and educating whole communities to believe they are victims and oppressed by another community in 2011 in Japan.

 

[GratefulDad]

1. This issue of looting has been used in the US for race-baiting.
2. The lead article is from a blog, not a news article.

Let us pray for all those lost souls who mainly or supposedly help those of the same skin color and do not see every skin color as the children of Almighty God and His Eternal Law. Let us pray for all the bigotry, biased, prejudiced and dislike due to skin color in 2011 be lifted from their hearts.

That the Holy Spirit will fill the leaders of these diverseness ways with the eternal truth and they not line their pockets with the excess of money or live in lavish houses or drive luxury cars. That they somehow live as their followers do in simple and humble lifestyles and surroundings to show solidarity with their community.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

No one is training and educating whole communities to believe they are victims and oppressed by another community in 2011 in Japan.

I don’t know if that is accurate. There are ethnic minorities in Japan who protest, including Koreans and Okinawans. America’s history of ethnic minorities is closer to the legal apartheid in South Africa than to the noblesse oblige in Japan, hence fewer and more restrained protests there. So comparisons between minorities in the US and Japan just are not reasonable at all.

“At 9:30 A.M. on 22 November 1974, some fifty-two teachers at Yoka Senior High School in southern Tajima, an area in Hyogo Prefecture, walked off the job, declaring that under the conditions prevailing in the school they were unable to teach. The immediate targets of their statement were members of a local branch office of the Buraku Liberation League (Buraku Kaiho Domei, referred to hereafter as the league). The league’s student members at Yoka High School had been attempting since May to gain approval for a study group on burakumin problems at the school and at the time of the teachers’ walkout were engaged in a hunger strike over the issue.”

publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft7h4nb4rx&chunk.id=d0e3031&toc.id=d0e1072&brand=ucpress

“TOKYO, Apr 28 , 2008 (IPS) - Japan’s hosting of the G8 summit in Hokkaido in July will afford a rare opportunity for the Ainu people who live on the island to press their long-standing demand to be recognised as an indigenous people.

Officially, for the Jul 7-9 summit of rich nations, Japan’s leaders have said they would like to see global health high on the agenda as also sustainable forest development, climate change and development.

But the Ainu have other plans to roll out in Hokkaido at the Jul 1-4 Indigenous Peoples Summit, ahead of the G8 event. "If the government recognises the Ainu as indigenous people everything would change,’’ said Saki Mina, an Ainu leader, at a press conference here last week.”

ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42145

As I said, the looting issue is just an excuse by some I have seen on other boards and in some publications to do a little race-baiting. I do not refer to this forum – save your complaints.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Please explain, Anglo. I don’t see how multiculturalism is somehow destructive to morality. Irish Catholics, German Lutherans, English puritans, Quakers, and all sorts of diversity existed early on in America. Then came the Jewish populations and forementioned Irish that America started off not liking very much. We’ve had Armenian, Greek, Russian, and all sorts of immigrants that have made us a rich, vibrant nation. My wife is filipina and that community brings so much to the table. I don’t see how this is a weakness? I don’t understand your “falling victim” statement. The Catholic Church is the ultimate expression of multi-culturalism and embracing diverse cultures. Maybe I’m just not understanding your point?

As for not respecting teachers, I notice that it is folks on the extreme Far Right that almost innately don’t trust teachers, fancying that we’re out to brainwash kids into liberal socialism. My most “difficult” and cynical, untrusting parents are the evangelical folks who attend Tea Party rallies and think we’re all out to get their kids and program them (they couldn’t be more incorrect!)…It isn’t the multiculturalism that is hurting us but refusal to accept it I think.

Perhaps I just don’t understand where you’re coming from. I’d love to understand. God bless, Anglo!

Secondly, they have not (at least not yet) fallen victim to rampant "multiculturalism". This means that they can indoctrinate their children in their public schools with a unified vision and understanding of social morality that is NEVER challenged. Students respect their teachers. Children respect their parents.

Well, that’s the lens I view it all through anyway…

 

[ishii]

1. In the worst earthquake in US history, the national guard had to be called out to suppress looting. That was in San Francisco in 1906.
2. There was also looting in Kansas after the recent tornado out there.
3. This issue of looting has been used in the US for race-baiting.
4. The lead article is from a blog, not a news article.

1. So that means we can’t compare the relative responses of societies in the modern era to natural disasters? Because there was looting a hundred years ago means we can’t focus on looters today?
2. There was looting in Kansas, so let’s give the inner city looters a pass.
3. In other words, we shouldn’t talk about the looting that happens in inner cities because it makes minorities look bad.
4. An article from a blog and not a news article? Horrors! Call the mods!

There isn’t widespread looting in Japan because they still have a sense of pride. In America, where the entitlement mentality prevails among so many people, you get looters pillaging walmarts. They don’t care that they are stealing because they think its okay to stick it to the “big man”. This is one of the fruits of class envy.

Ishii

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

There isn’t widespread looting in Japan because they still have a sense of pride. In America, where the entitlement mentality prevails among so many people, you get looters pillaging walmarts. They don’t care that they are stealing because they think its okay to stick it to the “big man”. This is one of the fruits of class envy.

The response from the government of Japan was almost immediate; rescuing victims, providing safe shelter, providing food and water, etc. The response of the government of the United States was to abandon the survivors of Katrina with no real shelter or legitimate source of food or water while the mayor openly encouraged looting. When they tried to escape those conditions they were met with bullets from police officers trying to keep them in New Orleans.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Is it class-envy or just good old fashioned criminal mentality? There are deadbeats and entitlement-minded people in every country.

1. So that means we can’t compare the relative responses of societies in the modern era to natural disasters? Because there was looting a hundred years ago means we can’t focus on looters today?
2. There was looting in Kansas, so let’s give the inner city looters a pass.
3. In other words, we shouldn’t talk about the looting that happens in inner cities because it makes minorities look bad.
4. An article from a blog and not a news article? Horrors! Call the mods!

There isn’t widespread looting in Japan because they still have a sense of pride. In America, where the entitlement mentality prevails among so many people, you get looters pillaging walmarts. They don’t care that they are stealing because they think its okay to stick it to the “big man”. This is one of the fruits of class envy.

Ishii

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Oh man, don’t say that government can be proactive, effective, and improve people’s lives! Watch out, man! We had poor leadership at the helm during Katrina, and that’s why the response was pathetic.

The response from the government of Japan was almost immediate; rescuing victims, providing safe shelter, providing food and water, etc. The response of the government of the United States was to abandon the survivors of Katrina with no real shelter or legitimate source of food or water while the mayor openly encouraged looting. When they tried to escape those conditions they were met with bullets from police officers trying to keep them in New Orleans.

 

[bbarrick8383]

The response from the government of Japan was almost immediate; rescuing victims, providing safe shelter, providing food and water, etc. The response of the government of the United States was to abandon the survivors of Katrina with no real shelter or legitimate source of food or water while the mayor openly encouraged looting. When they tried to escape those conditions they were met with bullets from police officers trying to keep them in New Orleans.

This discussion between Katrina and the tsunami, would be much easier to have if the Japanese had the same amount of warning time as those who suffered through Katrina, and there were four nuclear reactors in New Orleans about to have a meltdown.

 

[kenofken]

I was one of the very first to make a comment on this thread, and in answer to the question: “Why is there no looting in Japan?” I gave two possible answers: 1) The Japanese are, on average, of very high intelligence. 2)The have a tightly knit, monocultural social fabric which teaches morality in public schools, along with respect for teachers and elders.

With that in mind, your defense of the behaviour of the citizens of New Orleans during Katrina has only STRENGTHENED my argument. You are falling victim to political correctness to the point of denying REALITY. You stated that Japan can cope with disaster better because they are a wealthy nation, whilst the “grinding poverty” in New Orleans (for generations before Katrina) contributed to the looting and shootings. THAT’S MY POINT EXACTLY! Are you actually implying that the poverty in N.O. has nothing at all to do with the demographic of its FREE citizens? Do you really think it has something to do with racial oppression? Oh, really?; then can you please SHOW ME another city on the face of this planet that is at least 67% black (those are the current stats) where people live a whole lot better than they do in N.O.? Also, can you please show me a city that is at least 67% black (anywhere in the world) where there would be a complete absence of looting after an earthquake, tsunami or hurricane? You get BONUS POINTS if you can name such a city that was also established, built and administrated by blacks! Go ahead, I’m waiting.

So at last the true nature of this thread is laid bare for all to see: a naked assertion that looting happens because “negroes” are by nature morally deficient. You’re saying that any city with a high black population quite naturally would be expected to loot at the slightest provocation because, well, “we all know why” wink wink. It’s a very time honored philisophy, and one which few have the courage to openly voice since the Civil Rights era. I give you points for raw honesty if nothing else.

I now find myself carrying the burden of proof to demonstrate to you that blacks are NOT inherently corrupt folk by finding you a majority black city with a COMPLETE absence of looting in a disaster. That’s a mighty tall order, given that there’s no 100% white city that’s crime free even in the best of times, let alone disaster. I’d also be the house money that Japan is not free of looting as we speak, even if it’s not happening in overwhelming numbers.

I could tell you that cities and neighborhoods with huge concentrations of minority populations historically get that way as a direct result of poverty and discrimination. Those areas were established as virtually black only by centuries of racism which confined them to those areas by force of law and extrajudicial terror. Except for certain religious groups like Amish or Hasidic Jews, there is no minority group anywhere which voluntarily gathers itself into isolated enclaves where they are most or all of the population. It happens only when people don’t have the option to integrate because of legal or cultural or economic restrictions or situations where people don’t have the linguistic skills to integrate.

Those who remain in that situation in more modern times do so because they have no other options. They are the product of generations who have had hugely inferior educational and economic activity. They have no ability to leave for something better and a culture which believes in sticking close to one’s roots and family. But of course that’s just politically correct tripe in your eyes.

 

[dimittuntur]

There isn’t widespread looting in Japan because they still have a sense of pride.

Ishii

The Japan I know is proud, but I feel individuals do what they believe is expected of them more out of sense of duty.

An old woman I know who lives very close to Sendai was out distributing aide as soon as her own welfare was addressed. She is almost 90, but feels she must help her community. This is the part of Japan I love.

BTW, your nickname on this list, Ishii. In Japanese it literally means rockwell and it is a very old surname in Japan. Onta no nihon no kata desuka?

 

[dusty_david]

Four New Orleans police officers accused of fatally shooting two unarmed people in the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina could face the death penalty.

The four cops and two others were charged in a 27-count indictment unsealed Tuesday, in the latest controversy for New Orleans’ corruption-palgued department.

The indictments, announced by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, allege that four officers were involved in the shootings while two other officers participated in a cover-up, “helping to obstruct justice.”

“We will not tolerate wrongdoing by those sworn to protect the public – this will not stand,” Holder said at a press conference Tuesday.
articles.nydailynews.com/2010-07-13/news/27069895_1_danziger-bridge-robert-gisevius-anthony-villavaso

Yes, police did shoot unarmed civilians fleeing New Orleans. I’m a southern man with family that fought for the confederacy. I’m not being liberal, socialist, or even a democrat. Just saying that police did shoot unarmed black people running away from the flood. Be interesting to see if death penalty supports would agree that the suspects, if convicted, should be executed.

 

[ishii]

The Japan I know is proud, but I feel individuals do what they believe is expected of them more out of sense of duty.

An old woman I know who lives very close to Sendai was out distributing aide as soon as her own welfare was addressed. She is almost 90, but feels she must help her community. This is the part of Japan I love.

BTW, your nickname on this list, Ishii. In Japanese it literally means rockwell and it is a very old surname in Japan. Onta no nihon no kata desuka?

Nihon go wa jozu desu ne! Watashi wa nihon no kata dewa arimasen ga…sukoshi nihon no kimochi to kangae kata ga boku no naka ni haeteiru yo. 7 nen nihon ni sunde imashita. Soshite tamani nihon ni asobi ni kaerimasu yo…

Could call on my moniker - its a bit of a misnomer as I originally thought ishii meant “rock” but its more “pebble”. Imagine Jesus saying “you are pebble and on this pebble I will build my church.” I think the correct Japanese translation is “ganseki” (that is the word used in that passage in my Japanese language bible). I would change it to ganseki but I think I’m stuck with Ishii for this forum You can probably deduce what my name actually is.

Ishii (ganseki)

 

[Darryl1958]

1. So that means we can’t compare the relative responses of societies in the modern era to natural disasters? Because there was looting a hundred years ago means we can’t focus on looters today?
2. There was looting in Kansas, so let’s give the inner city looters a pass.
3. In other words, we shouldn’t talk about the looting that happens in inner cities because it makes minorities look bad.
4. An article from a blog and not a news article? Horrors! Call the mods!

There isn’t widespread looting in Japan because they still have a sense of pride. In America, where the entitlement mentality prevails among so many people, you get looters pillaging walmarts. They don’t care that they are stealing because they think its okay to stick it to the “big man”. This is one of the fruits of class envy.

Ishii

I had a friend from Africa living in Japan, and he noticed how you don’t even have to lock up your bike or anything when you leave it. It will be there when you get back.

Looting is just something that doesn’t really occur to the Japanese, from what I gather. They are a very honest people.

 

[ishii]

I had a friend from Africa living in Japan, and he noticed how you don’t even have to lock up your bike or anything when you leave it. It will be there when you get back.

Looting is just something that doesn’t really occur to the Japanese, from what I gather. They are a very honest people.

I always locked up my bike while in Japan- petty theft of bicycles was known to happen. On the other hand, people always abandoned bikes so much that piles of them would build up around train stations and no one would claim them until finally a truck would come and collect them all. I always wondered where they went. Some said they were donated or sold to China.

Ishii

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

1. So that means we can’t compare the relative responses of societies in the modern era to natural disasters? Because there was looting a hundred years ago means we can’t focus on looters today?

No, that means that those who relegate looting to inner-city minorities are fooling themselves.

1. There was looting in Kansas, so let’s give the inner city looters a pass.

See answer to No.1, above.

1. In other words, we shouldn’t talk about the looting that happens in inner cities because it makes minorities look bad.

See answer to No.1, above.

There isn’t widespread looting in Japan because they still have a sense of pride.

OK, so why was there looting in Egypt just recently? No pride? An entitlement mentality?

Look, societies differ. And Japan surely has problems with its minority populations and their protests.