The Telegraph: Why is there no looting in Japan?

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Celine Dion condones looting. And I am willing to bet that there are many other bleating heart liberals like her. If you had read post # 65 you would already know this.
Name some names and quote some liberals. Your reliance on ‘everyone knows’ or what you are willing to bet is not persuasive. There’s a conservative state senator in Maine who favors shipping off the mentally ill to Siberia. I don’t try to tar all conservatives with that opinion.
I would shoot first, and ask questions later.
As a gun owner and a hunter, I can tell you that what you state is an unethical and probably illegal way of going about things.
 
Name some names and quote some liberals. Your reliance on ‘everyone knows’ or what you are willing to bet is not persuasive.
Celine Dion is a name. I’m guessing she’s also a liberal. For whatever reason, Larry King made no effort to challenge her outrageous remarks. It seems to me that her willingness to make such comments in defense of looting on national tv and not get challenged implies that her way of thinking is perhaps more widespread among bleating heart liberals than you would care to admit.

Ishii
 
Name some names and quote some liberals. Your reliance on ‘everyone knows’ or what you are willing to bet is not persuasive. There’s a conservative state senator in Maine who favors shipping off the mentally ill to Siberia. I don’t try to tar all conservatives with that opinion…
That’s a false comparison. I think you and I both know that there is a long history of liberals who blame the crimes of minorities and the disadvantaged on the system. Celine Dion was merely voicing that mentality and applying it to the looters in New Orleans. She was merely applying modern day liberalism to excuse the crimes of the looters. Now, why don’t you show me a similar ideological connection between the “right” and this nut from Maine who wants to ship off the mentally ill to Siberia.
As a gun owner and a hunter, I can tell you that what you state is an unethical and probably illegal way of going about things.
Maybe “shoot first and ask questions later” might be the wrong choice of words. In the context of Katrina, where it is known that people are going around looting, I might yell “freeze!” first and see if they put their hands up, but if they kept coming, I would definitely defend my family to the best of my abilities up to and including, shooting. Perhaps I would try to injure and not kill.

Ishii
 
What you’re forgetting (as most people in the new multicultural west do) is that the word “Civilization” comes from the Latin root word “Civitas” meaning CITY. **The Roman Empire gave the barbarian West “civilization”, and God gave the Roman Empire His greatest gift: Christianity. **Show me a people who can thrive together in a CITY and I will show you a great CIVILIZATION. Some cultures, some peoples, have NEVER been able to live in CITIES.

Yes, I simply requested that you find a black city that would not resort to looting in a disaster. Too tall an order for you? Can’t say I blame you there. **Okay then, just name ONE city in sub-Saharan black Africa where you would gladly spend the rest of your life, or, better yet, where you would like your children to spend the rest of their lives! **Remember, these are black nations run by black people, so you can’t blame the Klan if you can’t find ONE with a low crime rate, a decent hospital, university, opera house… or even clean running water and a well-paved road. Go ahead. Name ONE. I’m waiting…
So at last the true nature of this thread is laid bare for all to see: a naked assertion that looting happens because “negroes” are by nature morally deficient. You’re saying that any city with a high black population quite naturally would be expected to loot at the slightest provocation because, well, “we all know why” wink wink. It’s a very time honored philisophy, and one which few have the courage to openly voice since the Civil Rights era. I give you points for raw honesty if nothing else.

I now find myself carrying the burden of proof to demonstrate to you that blacks are NOT inherently corrupt folk by finding you a majority black city with a COMPLETE absence of looting in a disaster. That’s a mighty tall order, given that there’s no 100% white city that’s crime free even in the best of times, let alone disaster. I’d also be the house money that Japan is not free of looting as we speak, even if it’s not happening in overwhelming numbers.

I could tell you that cities and neighborhoods with huge concentrations of minority populations historically get that way as a direct result of poverty and discrimination. Those areas were established as virtually black only by centuries of racism which confined them to those areas by force of law and extrajudicial terror. Except for certain religious groups like Amish or Hasidic Jews, there is no minority group anywhere which voluntarily gathers itself into isolated enclaves where they are most or all of the population. It happens only when people don’t have the option to integrate because of legal or cultural or economic restrictions or situations where people don’t have the linguistic skills to integrate.

Those who remain in that situation in more modern times do so because they have no other options. They are the product of generations who have had hugely inferior educational and economic activity. They have no ability to leave for something better and a culture which believes in sticking close to one’s roots and family. But of course that’s just politically correct tripe in your eyes.
 
Here’s an article I just came across that directly bears on the discussion here:

Stop, Thief! Thank You.
Why so little looting in Japan? It’s not just about honesty.


ChadS
Interesting article. One thing that I found rampant while there was the hooliganism of motorcycle gangs - the bosozoku - which would cruise around all night buzzing loudly in their souped up bikes through the streets and highways, reluctantly tolerated by the citizens and even the police. Occasionally they would get chased by the cops but they (the cops) always seemed like the keystone cops - very ineffective. I was riding my bike once - on the sidewalk - and was almost run over by a car driven by a yakuza chasing someone on a scooter. The yakuza ended up stopping and got out of his car which sat in the middle of the intersection blocking traffic. You got the sense that this particular member of the yakuza had little fear of reprisal from the local police. I wondered what would have happened to the guy in the scooter had he been caught - probably a lot worse than what the police would ever do.

Ishii
 
I fully understand where you’re coming from, so allow me to explain. I live in Canada, not the USA (although my ancestors were Americans - my first British-American ancestor married the granddaughter of the first Mennonite minister in PA; William Rittenhouse). In the USA the approach to diversity has been the creation of the social “melting pot” where cultures from around the world contribute to the “american” lifestyle. I think this way is better than what has become the Canadian approach. The Canadian approach is what we call the “cultural mosaic”. French children attend French language schools, English children attend English schools. That was about as “diverse” as things got until the 1980’s. Life was peaceful up until then. Streets were safe, even in the major cities. Schools had NO violence. Mothers stayed home to cook hot lunches for their kids. We walked to the store with REAL SILVER dimes and quarters in our pockets. Except on Sunday - all stores were CLOSED on Sunday by law under “The Lord’s Day Act”. The Holy Bible was read aloud in classrooms (and the Lord’s Prayer recited) all over the country each and every morning in both Protestant and Catholic schools.

But then, with the FLOOD of immigration from all corners of the globe, the government now bends over backwards, and spends huge sums of tax payer’s money, to accommodate just about every language and cultural tradition you can think of! Counselling and court services are provided to anyone of ANY language and culture! Now, you may think this a real Utopia, but it’s NOT. Two reasons: 1) the costs of these programs are immense. 2) Public Education has “too many cooks in the kitchen”, and so whereas once Christ was preached each morning, now it is forbidden to mention His name AT ALL. We are now at the point where HUGE SECTORS of the adult population know ALMOST NOTHING about the Gospel!

The worship of Christ has been replaced with the worship of the ONLY thing the people in the “mosaic” all value in common: MONEY. We now live in a secular materialistic nightmare of a society where people ask you “what do you do for a living?” not because they wish to know how you contribute to the well being of society, but simply so they can appraise how much MONEY you have! We have young people lost in the world of drugs, meaningless sex, abortion and gambling. In fact, whereas in the early 1970’s it was ILLEGAL to even own a lottery ticket…NOW the Ontario government actually owns and runs CASINOS! There’s talk of legalizing prostitution in some cities in the near future. And, on top of all this, the Muslims are crying out for Sharia Law Courts, to be set up at taxpayer’s expense! It’s all madness!

I guess (to put it in short) I’m a person who thinks that western governments should stroll hand-in-hand with the Church (and this WAS the case here in Canada until a few decades ago), but that the new cultural “mosaic” has DEMANDED that the secular government abandon this relationship…and so Canada is now no longer a friend of Jesus Christ.

And that’s where I’m coming from. 😦
As dire as all that sounds, I have to tell you that every time I’ve been to your country, I generally feel safer and more relaxed than I ever do at home. I’ve been to what I’m told are dodgy areas in Vancouver, and I saw a few semi-recovered meth addicts here and there and some young guys smoking pot on the beaches, but nothing that scared me. In Chicago, there are many neighborhoods I wouldn’t ask the marines to go into without good reason in warm weather. When I go to Sarnia, I don’t even feel like I have to lock the car doors.
 
What you’re forgetting (as most people in the new multicultural west do) is that the word “Civilization” comes from the Latin root word “Civitas” meaning CITY. The Roman Empire gave the barbarian West “civilization”, and God gave the Roman Empire His greatest gift: Christianity. Show me a people who can thrive together in a CITY and I will show you a great CIVILIZATION. Some cultures, some peoples, have NEVER been able to live in CITIES.

Yes, I simply requested that you find a black city that would not resort to looting in a disaster. Too tall an order for you? Can’t say I blame you there. **Okay then, just name ONE city in sub-Saharan black Africa where you would gladly spend the rest of your life, or, better yet, where you would like your children to spend the rest of their lives! **Remember, these are black nations run by black people, so you can’t blame the Klan if you can’t find ONE with a low crime rate, a decent hospital, university, opera house… or even clean running water and a well-paved road. Go ahead. Name ONE. I’m waiting…
You are only serving to prove kenofken’s first line of his other post. I can’t believe this thread has taken such an ugly and blatant turn.

ChadS
 
Interesting article. One thing that I found rampant while there was the hooliganism of motorcycle gangs - the bosozoku - which would cruise around all night buzzing loudly in their souped up bikes through the streets and highways, reluctantly tolerated by the citizens and even the police. Occasionally they would get chased by the cops but they (the cops) always seemed like the keystone cops - very ineffective. I was riding my bike once - on the sidewalk - and was almost run over by a car driven by a yakuza chasing someone on a scooter. The yakuza ended up stopping and got out of his car which sat in the middle of the intersection blocking traffic. You got the sense that this particular member of the yakuza had little fear of reprisal from the local police. I wondered what would have happened to the guy in the scooter had he been caught - probably a lot worse than what the police would ever do.

Ishii
I found the part about instilling in the children from a very young age that you turn in property you found, no matter how little it’s actually worth. It’s also good that the parents and police treat it with such solemnity. Perhaps our country could gain a lot from having an attitude like that from a young age.

Were these motorcycle groups you encountered criminal in anyway or just sort of joyriding youths? I could understand how they could be intimidating or frightening.

ChadS
 
You are only serving to prove kenofken’s first line of his other post. I can’t believe this thread has taken such an ugly and blatant turn.

ChadS
It took that ugly turn almost from the get-go. It’s disappointing, but it’s surprising only in the level of candor about racial theory. The upside is it’s like a living history re-enactment. It feels like I’m sitting in a British officer’s club in Rhodesia circa 1882…
 
I have lived in Japan and we are seeing the Japanese people at their best. The Japanese do not take things that do not belong to them. A nickle would sit in a pay phone forever, because no one would take it. They are also group-thinking and not individual-thinking. The brave men who are in that reactor trying to contain the radiation are doing it for their fellow citizens. They will either do it or die trying, and if they fail another group will take their place.
 
I’m SO GLAD someone else has noticed this. I believe that there are two reasons. Firstly, the Japanese are, on average, highly intelligent. Secondly, they have not (at least not yet) fallen victim to rampant “multiculturalism”. This means that they can indoctrinate their children in their public schools with a unified vision and understanding of social morality that is NEVER challenged. Students respect their teachers. Children respect their parents. Wives respect their husbands.

I think Western civilization once came very close to achieving this. When the Titanic sank back in 1912, the men stood by and helped the women and children into the lifeboats. Chilvalry was not yet dead. But in the later half of the 20th century, particularily after WWII, all this began to change. Somehow SOMEBODY sewed the seeds of social self-destruction; the “youth movement” of the 1960’s, the “generation gap”, “women’s liberation”, easy-divorce, abortion, the “me decade” of the 70’s, the “gimme decade” of the 80’s, etc. and then it all got destroyed.

Well, that’s the lens I view it all through anyway… 🤷
You left out socialist labor unions headed by Jews, gay activists, liberal folksingers, the liberal media on television, reality shows, Hollywood, rock music, disco dancing, rap, X-rated films, pornography, entitlement programs such as student loans and Medicaid, bilingual education, the Internet and other technological gadgets, Islamic fundamentalism, atheism, illegal drugs, illegal immigration, and so on. Why not blame the whole world and be done with it!
 
You left out socialist labor unions headed by Jews, gay activists, liberal folksingers, the liberal media on television, reality shows, Hollywood, rock music, disco dancing, rap, X-rated films, pornography, entitlement programs such as student loans and Medicaid, bilingual education, the Internet and other technological gadgets, Islamic fundamentalism, atheism, illegal drugs, illegal immigration, and so on. Why not blame the whole world and be done with it!
Its Bush’s fault.
 
I don’t know a whole lot about east Asian history (other than the Chinese kingdom states and Japanese shogunates), but going on the multicultural slant that I’ve seen mentioned, I think the reason is that there hasn’t been too many external wars (Mongols, Japan invading Korea and China) of other cultures invading and taking their stuff. Being in a warm part of the continent helps, too, unlike Europe (a little bit cooler) .Asia’s a big place, and when China expanded, other cultures headed west. Europe was stuffed with Germans, Slavs, Huns, and other tribes being squeezed between the Baltic Sea, and the Roman Empire. So, there has been this competition for land for the last 2,000 years in Europe (more so in the mideast with the desertfication). Yes, China and Japan had their share of internal warfare, but they were the same people and culture, and eventually united.

So, my guess is this -

Europe has a colder climate (more stocking up for winter), and more warfare from competiting cultures. The Celts themselves were also very individualistic (covering almost all of Western Europe). Besides, we’re all (Irish) Celtic tomorrow anyway! :irish3: 😉

Middle East - Desertfication of Africa and the Mideast. After looking at desert, I suppose lushish rivers start looking pretty good.

Africa - Don’t know.

To sum it up, my guess is that east Asia has lived in relative peace from outside invaders (Mongols seem to be the only major one).
 
Why do some cultures react to disaster by reverting to everyone for himself, but others – especially the Japanese – display altruism even in adversity?"
Perhaps the religion of Buddhism has teachings which leave a deep imprint on people as to the value of honesty.
 
Now that we’ve set up Japan as a shining city on the hill of human virtue and altruism, let’s not forget that they’re people, not saints. That society has its share of deviancy, even if it doesn’t involve black guys stealing electronic goods from natural disaster zones. The Yakuza is a very powerful force in that society, a Fortune 500 entity in its own right and one which operates with a certain knowledge and consent of government. That means lots and lots of prostitution, money laundering, protection rackets, the works. Supposedly the government doesn’t go all out after them in exchange for running a regulated illegal drug market, and one largely limited to amphetamines and not heroin or cocaine.

This is a society which has very sizeable subculture of mother-son incest, semi-secret clubs that exhibit that sort of thing, and various other dark and intense sexual subcultures that I won’t even get into here. As I think someone mentioned earlier, there’s a LOT of suicides among teens and even younger kids. This is also a society which produced the Aum Shunrikyo cult, you remember, the dudes who created a military industrial complex of their own which produced high-grade nerve gas they used in a subway attack. This is also a place where “free enterprise” is about as free as in 1960s Eastern Block nations. A conglomerate of business and handful of corporate interests in each sector dictate every aspect of the economy.

Japan may well be a place where there’s little casual violence or public disorder type petty crime, they have their problems. There’s been a tendency on this thread to lionize the Japanese as sort of a samurai version of everything a conservative whitebread Christian dream republic should be. That only works if you don’t look too closely at reality…
 
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