The Texas textbook massacre

[dnu]

At least one of its liberal authors at the school newspaper:

“Texas Textbook Massacre”

ocolly.com/the-texas-textbook-massacre-1.1285179

I’m not sure what the first half of his article has to do with the title, but this is what I’ve come to expect from the OSU paper.

 

[SpaceNeedle]

I don’t really feel this is a “smear”. There is pain, anguish, upset, confusion, anger. I feel that many Catholics are handling this matter with smugness and/or righteous indignation, when they should be trying to understand where the strong feelings are coming from. How do we bring more people with us to heaven if we accuse them of “smearing” the Church? We need them to see our shared sorrow, and our love and want of healing.

 

[Catholic1954]

According to this brilliant investigative article, Father Murphy’s crimes were also reported to TWO POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHO ALSO DID NOTHING. Why was he not arrested and tried in the secular courts? This is a smear article and very poorly thought out and written.

 

[Sherry_G]

I don’t really feel this is a “smear”. There is pain, anguish, upset, confusion, anger. I feel that many Catholics are handling this matter with smugness and/or righteous indignation, when they should be trying to understand where the strong feelings are coming from. How do we bring more people with us to heaven if we accuse them of “smearing” the Church? We need them to see our shared sorrow, and our love and want of healing.

The “smear” is coming from Satan’s PR firm, the liberal press aka NY Times, Boston Globe,et al. They are definitely out to smear the Catholic church and fan the flames of ignorance of our separated brothers and sisters, many of whom have been taught a pack of outright lies from their earliest memories in whatever protestant faith they practice.

Of course, we who love and believe wholeheartedly everything that Jesus taught us and left with us to be fostered, loved and spread throughout the world through the Holy Catholic Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit are filled with pain and sorrow and wish for healing, peace and union among all Christians. I don’t know of a good practicing Catholic who is “smug”!

 

[SpaceNeedle]

The “smear” is coming from Satan’s PR firm, the liberal press aka NY Times, Boston Globe,et al. They are definitely out to smear the Catholic church and fan the flames of ignorance of our separated brothers and sisters, many of whom have been taught a pack of outright lies from their earliest memories in whatever protestant faith they practice.

Of course, we who love and believe wholeheartedly everything that Jesus taught us and left with us to be fostered, loved and spread throughout the world through the Holy Catholic Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit are filled with pain and sorrow and wish for healing, peace and union among all Christians. I don’t know of a good practicing Catholic who is “smug”!

me neither.

Anyway, I don’t mean to be pithy. But I think some are coming across as dismissive. These are serious atrocities. As Catholics, we mustn’t get so caught up in a “defense” of our faith that we aren’t recognizing the legitimate concerns of others. We need to use this opportunity to catechize non-Catholics, in a way, and also to show them our desire for healing. I don’t know if you’ve been out with the non-Catholic population lately, but our Church’s reputation is in grave harm, and again: our mission must be to bring people TO the Church. We do that by communicating and addressing their concerns and fears.

 

[seekerz]

me neither.

Anyway, I don’t mean to be pithy. But I think some are coming across as dismissive. These are serious atrocities. As Catholics, we mustn’t get so caught up in a “defense” of our faith that we aren’t recognizing the legitimate concerns of others. We need to use this opportunity to catechize non-Catholics, in a way, and also to show them our desire for healing. I don’t know if you’ve been out with the non-Catholic population lately, but our Church’s reputation is in grave harm, and again: our mission must be to bring people TO the Church. We do that by communicating and addressing their concerns and fears.

I agree. The best defense here is to correct ourselves and make amends not to focus on what others are saying.

 

[a_priori]

Pedophiles should be reported, arrested and tried in secular courts. They should do serious time if convicted. People who aid and abet pedophiles should be charged and go to jail as well. This is true for priests and hot dog vendors. Church leaders should be disciplined for their roles as well.

None of this has anything to do with Christ or His message of salvation and the Church. The temporal manifestation of the Church has smelled to high heaven many times throughout its history. It is run by fallen people who make mistakes from time to time. Let’s not confuse things here and move on.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

The “smear” is coming from Satan’s PR firm, the liberal press aka NY Times, Boston Globe,et al. They are definitely out to smear the Catholic church and fan the flames of ignorance of our separated brothers and sisters, many of whom have been taught a pack of outright lies from their earliest memories in whatever protestant faith they practice.

I disagree,

The leadership of the Church was wrong in their handling of the abuse and of the resultant scandal. Simple as that. All the comments on the critics, that they don’t care about kids, that abusers are homosexuals or that the Catholic schools have much less abuse, all of that is really irrelevant. And criticizing the critics is ad hominem.

Now the laity, in the face of some bankruptcies of dioceses, is asked to be responsible and help pay for some of the mistakes of the hierarchy.

 

[RobbyS]

me neither.

Anyway, I don’t mean to be pithy. But I think some are coming across as dismissive. These are serious atrocities. As Catholics, we mustn’t get so caught up in a “defense” of our faith that we aren’t recognizing the legitimate concerns of others. We need to use this opportunity to catechize non-Catholics, in a way, and also to show them our desire for healing. I don’t know if you’ve been out with the non-Catholic population lately, but our Church’s reputation is in grave harm, and again: our mission must be to bring people TO the Church. We do that by communicating and addressing their concerns and fears.

Yes, the Church’s reputation has suffered great harm, and ironically after forty year of trying to blend in with the rest of society. Recall that the American Church–bishops, priests and laity -had a calf after Pope Paul VI issued* Humanae Vitae*. The clergy would not defend it, and the laity repudiated its teachings. Vatican II represented a rebellion against Rome, a rebellion led by the most liberal priests in our society. There was a collapse in the morale of the clergy. Seminaries emptied out, priests abandoned their calling by the thousands. The new mass gave opportunity for a whole junking of the religious culture I and millions grew up in. Discipline collapsed and the child abuse is just a symptom of it. The constant fight to keep the faith slackened. Now we face the worst crisis since the Reformation.

 

[RobbyS]

I agree. The best defense here is to correct ourselves and make amends not to focus on what others are saying.

Hasn’t worked for the pope. He has been working his tail off --forgive me the familiarity–for eight or nine years since his department took on the task to correct the situation. But all the press wants to talk about is what happened thirty years ago

 

[RobbyS]

I disagree,

The leadership of the Church was wrong in their handling of the abuse and of the resultant scandal. Simple as that. All the comments on the critics, that they don’t care about kids, that abusers are homosexuals or that the Catholic schools have much less abuse, all of that is really irrelevant. And criticizing the critics is ad hominem.

Now the laity, in the face of some bankruptcies of dioceses, is asked to be responsible and help pay for some of the mistakes of the hierarchy.

Yes, the leadership was wrong, but so was the laity. We bought into much of the new morality. Many of us bought the ldea of the “Spirit of Vatican II” Since we are the most educated laity in the history of the Church we have only ourselves to blame for our ignorance. Tolerance became the one and only virtue for most Catholics. Look at Nancy Pelosi–she is representative of the average, upper class lay Catholic. Ly down with dogs and one gets fleas. Well,we have done that.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Yes, the leadership was wrong, but so was the laity. We bought into much of the new morality. Many of us bought the ldea of the “Spirit of Vatican II” Since we are the most educated laity in the history of the Church we have only ourselves to blame for our ignorance. Tolerance became the one and only virtue for most Catholics. Look at Nancy Pelosi–she is representative of the average, upper class lay Catholic. Ly down with dogs and one gets fleas. Well,we have done that.

You cite a factor but then don’t connect it to a result. Vatican II and its aftermath in no way caused or contributed to the abuse scandal, much of which pre-dated it. The only conceivable connection is the drop in the number of vocations, making the hierarchy possibly less likely to laicize priests. But the fall in vocations was not caused by Vatican II.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Yes, the Church’s reputation has suffered great harm, and ironically after forty year of trying to blend in with the rest of society. Recall that the American Church–bishops, priests and laity -had a calf after Pope Paul VI issued* Humanae Vitae*. The clergy would not defend it, and the laity repudiated its teachings. Vatican II represented a rebellion against Rome, a rebellion led by the most liberal priests in our society. There was a collapse in the morale of the clergy. Seminaries emptied out, priests abandoned their calling by the thousands. The new mass gave opportunity for a whole junking of the religious culture I and millions grew up in. Discipline collapsed and the child abuse is just a symptom of it. The constant fight to keep the faith slackened. Now we face the worst crisis since the Reformation.

well said. until the Church changes the way we Worship it is just going to get worse. just look at the Jews when they went their way and disobeyed God. they were given up to be punished by the unbelievers. that is exactly what is happening to us today. we are being put in the hands of the unbelievers to be ashamed and punished for our abandonement of the Faith passed on by the Apostles. just like the Jews had to return to God so will be with us. the CC will suffer until we can have a faiftfull leader to lead the Church back to the Faith. today we dont even know where is the CC. Traditionals, charismatics, liberals, liberation theology catholics and etc. how much confusion can we endure?

 

[pnewton]

me neither.

Anyway, I don’t mean to be pithy. But I think some are coming across as dismissive. These are serious atrocities.

The correct grammer would be, “They were serious atrocitites.” (1950-1974). I have no problem being dismissive of those who treat the past like news, especially when the problem has been addressed.

We may find that some things need to be re-visited and revised, but it needs to be based on a current problem, not history.

 

[seekerz]

The correct grammer would be, “They were serious atrocitites.” (1950-1974). I have no problem being dismissive of those who treat the past like news, especially when the problem has been addressed.

We may find that some things need to be re-visited and revised, but it needs to be based on a current problem, not history.

We as Catholics need to have an interest in making sure that particular bit of ‘history’ does not repeat itself. Also, if there are victims still alive who have not had redress or clergy who have not had to take responsibility for their actions/inaction, then it remains a current issue - not simply history. When Zaccheus came down from the tree, he didn’t just skip away on his new-found path of life, he admitted his wrongs and made amends. Unless that is done the world over, for every proven incident and all concerned, then this matter will simply not die, no should it.

 

[pnewton]

We as Catholics need to have an interest in making sure that particular bit of ‘history’ does not repeat itself. Also, if there are victims still alive who have not had redress or clergy who have not had to take responsibility for their actions/inaction, then it remains a current issue - not simply history.

That is your opinion, not mine. I understand the justice that underlies the concept of Statute of Limitations. It is also an injustice to bring accusations too late in the game to allow for defense and the opportunity to discover truth. It is also an injustice to claim that the Church needs to change based on old events, without acknowledging the changes that have already been made to deter such a repeat of events.

We can only learn from history if we see it as history and objectively look at the whole picture, not just what sells papers.

 

[seekerz]

That is your opinion, not mine. I understand the justice that underlies the concept of Statute of Limitations. It is also an injustice to bring accusations too late in the game to allow for defense and the opportunity to discover truth. It is also an injustice to claim that the Church needs to change based on old events, without acknowledging the changes that have already been made to deter such a repeat of events.

We can only learn from history if we see it as history and objectively look at the whole picture, not just what sells papers.

The whole picture includes considering what factors or forces delayed these cases from being dealt with in a timely manner according to canon and criminal law.

 

[Sherry_G]

We as Catholics need to have an interest in making sure that particular bit of ‘history’ does not repeat itself. Also, if there are victims still alive who have not had redress or clergy who have not had to take responsibility for their actions/inaction, then it remains a current issue - not simply history. When Zaccheus came down from the tree, he didn’t just skip away on his new-found path of life, he admitted his wrongs and made amends. Unless that is done the world over, for every proven incident and all concerned, then this matter will simply not die, no should it.

Perhaps I missed something, too! What is the NEW issue that has the press foaming at the mouth again??? You seem to jump on the bandwagon so easily right along with those who swallow the BIG AP stories whole. Discern and digest the actual events that started this latest attack, please!

 

[seekerz]

Perhaps I missed something, too! What is the NEW issue that has the press foaming at the mouth again??? You seem to jump on the bandwagon so easily right along with those who swallow the BIG AP stories whole. Discern and digest the actual events that started this latest attack, please!

Easy, easy…I’m simply expressing my opinion on an issue that affects my Church. Far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t have to be a NEW issue, simply one that has not been adequately addressed in terms of justice. Are there any such unresolved incidents and how many? I don’t know.

Regardless of the intent of the press, we should now be in a position to say: X was reported to us in 195_ in the parish of Y, it was found to be true/untrue, X number of victims came forward, A/B/C were the steps taken to secure justice for those affected, ____ _____ _____ actions were taken in 19_ _ to discipline ___ ___ for not reporting or handling the matter in a timely fashion. How difficult is that? Far as I’m concerned, it should be a searchable registry. Fewer secrets = fewer sensational headlines, less drama and less - how did you put it? - foaming at the mouth…

 

[Sherry_G]

Easy, easy…I’m simply expressing my opinion on an issue that affects my Church. Far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t have to be a NEW issue, simply one that has not been adequately addressed in terms of justice. Are there any such unresolved incidents and how many? I don’t know.

Regardless of the intent of the press, we should now be in a position to say: X was reported to us in 195_ in the parish of Y, it was found to be true/untrue, X number of victims came forward, A/B/C were the steps taken to secure justice for those affected, ____ _____ _____ actions were taken in 19_ _ to discipline ___ ___ for not reporting or handling the matter in a timely fashion. How difficult is that? Far as I’m concerned, it should be a searchable registry. Fewer secrets = fewer sensational headlines, less drama and less - how did you put it? - foaming at the mouth…

You can already see all the information which you would like to see. It IS available and HAS been available. Go to the Catholic New Network and you can read up and learn before you jump to these conclusions. I have done so. I I have been a devout Catholic like you in search of the truth and I have found it! The fact is, the mainstream media will never report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth because it does not jibe with their intent.