The Third Secret of Fatima

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TO the person that saids the third secret was read. Sorry but you need too do

some more foul up, and read how there,s another page of paper that Sister Lucy

wrote on ,that wasn,t revieled. If you read up on, you’ll find that the Pope had this

page lock up in his room. See there is four pages that Sister Lucie had written,not

three like there saying. The letter was suppose to be read in 1960 but for some reason

it was lock away, and was read later on by the cardinal who now is are POPE now.

Sister Lucie knew that he wasn,t reading the hold thing,so Sister Lucy was not allow

to say anything. It,s not over yet. GOD knows and OUR LADY will Triumph in the end.
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According to the Vatican the full text of the 3rd Secret was published on June 2000.

I agree that you are correct that our Lady will win in the end.

It is said that a apostasy of the Roman Church will occur. Heck we have been accused of it by other faiths already. But this will not happen. It cannot happen. We have a promise from our Father.

You are Peter and upon the rock I will build my Church and the gates of hades will not pevail. The devil will never beat God. But he can be you and I and the ones we love.

That is why the Blessed Mother is telling us to pray. Evil is stronger now then ever. But by our prayers and love for Christ we can beat evil once again. But we must again take time to pray. We must pray for the whole world.
 
I disgree, the hold Third Secert was not read. You know yourself that that the

Vatican is holding something from us, just like the goverment does,even the president

doesn,t tell us everthing. IF Russia was concerated ,the news you be on the front page.

And Russia would say we are one chhurch, but you know that isn,t going too happen

Orthodox church won,t let this happen.:::):
 
johnthebaptist1 said:
TO the person that saids the third secret was read. Sorry but you need too do

some more foul up, and read how there,s another page of paper that Sister Lucy

wrote on ,that wasn,t revieled. If you read up on, you’ll find that the Pope had this

page lock up in his room. See there is four pages that Sister Lucie had written,not

three like there saying. The letter was suppose to be read in 1960 but for some reason

it was lock away, and was read later on by the cardinal who now is are POPE now.

Sister Lucie knew that he wasn,t reading the hold thing,so Sister Lucy was not allow

to say anything. It,s not over yet. GOD knows and OUR LADY will Triumph in the end.
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*You know, I just reread the three direct translations of the secret of Fatima posted on the Holy See web-site and I did not see anything pertaining to a “worst war still to come” or the claim that Our Blessed Mother Mary asked that we “Pray that the Pope never leaves Rome.” But, I do remember hearing about these things being part of the secrets of Fatima and a lot of what you are saying while growing up. Maybe you can show me where in the secrets they are?

I do believe you are correct that it is not over.
I believe our hearts are still so not like our Blessed Mother Mary’s heart yet. We have so much more work to do on ourselves before Her heart reigns in our heart instead of our heart reigning in our heart.
I believe when we learn to be pure,trusting, humble and obedient like her, only then will her Immaculate Heart Triumph in us and then the world!

Oh! If we could only learn to accept her intersession and at least try to be more like her through penance and prayer.
 
rinnie said:
According to the Vatican the full text of the 3rd Secret was published on June 2000.

I agree that you are correct that our Lady will win in the end.

It is said that a apostasy of the Roman Church will occur. Heck we have been accused of it by other faiths already. But this will not happen. It cannot happen. We have a promise from our Father.

You are Peter and upon the rock I will build my Church and the gates of hades will not pevail. The devil will never beat God. But he can be you and I and the ones we love.

That is why the Blessed Mother is telling us to pray. Evil is stronger now then ever. But by our prayers and love for Christ we can beat evil once again. But we must again take time to pray. We must pray for the whole world.
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*Dear Rinnie,

Do you mind explaining for me if and how this apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church is part of the message of Fatima?
 
*I am beginning to believe that the “Great apostasy from the Roman Catholic Church” and the quote from our Blessed Mother Mary asking that we “Pray that the Pope will not leave Rome” may come from the “claimed” not revealed, fourth page, of the third secret of Fatima.

If this is true I would have to say;

First, thank God and His Divine Mercy that, through His Mother’s willing intersession to get us to do His will, so far the prayers being said are working. The Pope has not left Rome. He is still staying the coarse trying to lead us forward into God’s Truths in all Faith and Morals and I believe it would behoove us to listen to him when he tells us, "“To all those who are curious, I would say that they should be certain that the Virgin does not engage in sensationalism; she does not create fear. She does not present apocalyptic visions, but guides people to her Son.” ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ENDNEAR.TXT.
This quote was posted on this thread on post # 360.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=471019

Next I will have to say, the way I see it, if we do not start listening and learning from our Apostolic Father/Fathers as he/they try to lead us in all Divinely Revealed Truth of Faith and Morals. Then I can see how we, not our Apostolic Church Leaders, will be the ones that will fall away from our Mother Church and be the ones who are the “great apostasy/schism” that I hear people talk about.

If we are always dissenting from our Apostolic Church’s Leadership and Guidance in all, or just some, faith and morals because we “think” they are too liberal, too modern, too Traditional, too Conservative, or not being Traditional enough or conservative enough or because we “think” they are saying things to just be “politically correct” or just trying to "build bridges, how can we be in perfect unity with Her and how can we ever find perfect unity with Christ?
It is our Apostolic Leaders who have the responsibility to lead the Church into perfect union with Christ, if we are not in perfect union with the Church’s Apostolic Leaders how can we ever be in perfect union with Christ?
 
Yes, we do have to pray for are Holy Father ,that the Blessed Mother well protect him

and help us remain true to our faith. This well happen threw the Rosary, which is for

peace and the salvation of our Soul.
 
simple_soul said:
*Dear Rinnie,

Do you mind explaining for me if and how this apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church is part of the message of Fatima?
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It isn’t dear. But this is something that People are saying that its claims. Here is how people are Jumping to that conclusion.

See if the Pope would have been killed, or lets say gets killed, People believe that that would be it. (do you see what I am saying). No Pope, No Church.

But what People do not understand the RCC is not RUN by the POPE. It is only led by him by the Power of the HOLY SPIRIT.

It is kind of ironic also do you not agree. The People who do not believe in the Power given to him by God, but then turn around and think if he gets killed the RCC is gone. :D:shrug:

And when you use common sense, we have Popes that die all the time. God promised us that the Church would never fail. Yes God gave Peter the keys to the kingom, and yes they are passed down. But the keys which hold the authority have never died with any Pope. Even though many will disagree with that.

Which is why I say that is rather ironic do you not agree. They do not accept his authority on one hand, but believe if he is killed there goes the RCC!🤷 That is how they think if they kill him the devil could take over.🤷
 
johnthebaptist1 said:
I disgree, the hold Third Secert was not read. You know yourself that that the

Vatican is holding something from us, just like the goverment does,even the president

doesn,t tell us everthing. IF Russia was concerated ,the news you be on the front page.

And Russia would say we are one chhurch, but you know that isn,t going too happen

Orthodox church won,t let this happen.:::):
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john what do you feel that is being held back from us? And why? I believe that the Pope is the leader of the RCC and if he feels there is something that is to be revealed to us by God it will be revealed.

I also believe if the Pope felt that there was something that was not to be revealed yet he would tell us that also.

I mean why would the Vatican lie. Why would it not just say then, much is yet to be revealed.:confused:
 
johnthebaptist1 said:
TO the person that saids the third secret was read. Sorry but you need too do

some more foul up, and read how there,s another page of paper that Sister Lucy

wrote on ,that wasn,t revieled. If you read up on, you’ll find that the Pope had this

page lock up in his room. See there is four pages that Sister Lucie had written,not

three like there saying. The letter was suppose to be read in 1960 but for some reason

it was lock away, and was read later on by the cardinal who now is are POPE now.

Sister Lucie knew that he wasn,t reading the hold thing,so Sister Lucy was not allow

to say anything. It,s not over yet. GOD knows and OUR LADY will Triumph in the end.
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so as not to further indulge in controversy over an issue that is old news, suffice it to say one last time, there is no cover up. I take sister lucias word for it, as well as the Vatican. that is what matters to me. there is no conspiracy. the third secret has been fully revealed.
i take the Holy Father’s word for it. now that being said, the op is not going to listen, so please close this thread. God bless you.
 
Sorry I can,t closed this subject. See just like the presendent who has advisiors,he

talks with and than make the fineally decide, so does the Pope, he to has meetings,and

desucess how to handle the sistution, but the Pope dosen,t have too agree, since he is

the leader of the church,usually those under him, agree, but some don,t’

IF you want to get the story than read the.THE FUURTH SECRET OF FATIMA,by

Antonio Socci. I did and found many intersting things and than you mine change your mine

I still say that the Fourth Secret hasn,t been revieled.And that letter is still lock up in

Vaction a long with Sister Lucy other letter.

Why because, Iam devoted to OUR LADY and as a member of Fatima and a voluntter

as a Apostalate, I well defend OUR LADY and the POPE.:
 
Sorry I can,t closed this subject. See just like the presendent who has advisiors,he

talks with and than make the fineally decide, so does the Pope, he to has meetings,and

desucess how to handle the sistution, but the Pope dosen,t have too agree, since he is

the leader of the church,usually those under him, agree, but some don,t’

IF you want to get the story than read the.THE FUURTH SECRET OF FATIMA,by

Antonio Socci. I did and found many intersting things and than you might change your mine

I still say that the Fourth Secret hasn,t been revieled.And that letter is still lock up in

Vaction a long with Sister Lucy other letter.

Why because, Iam devoted to OUR LADY and as a member of Fatima and a voluntter

as a Apostalate, I well defend OUR LADY and the POPE.:
 
I understand what your saying, your referring to the supposed 3rd part of the secret never released that is the words of Mary? It would start with “In portugal the dogma of the faithfull will always be preserved”

There are many who read this and claim its not released. Yet I get the impression that everything that concerns us as followers of the faith has been released. I believe whats not released has to do directly with the Vatican. In which case they have it under control.

As far as the consecration by Russia by all the Bishops? That debate goes around and around.

I like Pope Benedict. I feel very comfortable with him in the Vatican. And he keeps a close eye of Fatima. His May 13 2010 Homily, he mentioned: “May the seven years which seperate us from the centenary [1917-2017] hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary to the glory of the most Holy Trinity, please Pray for the Priests, and the Holy vocations of the priesthood”

There right on top of Fatima in Vatican City. Make no mistake about that. Lot of concern, lot of evil out here. Don’t have to look far to se that. And the Pope never forgets to mention the Rosary.
 
johnthebaptist1 said:
Sorry I can,t closed this subject. See just like the presendent who has advisiors,he

talks with and than make the fineally decide, so does the Pope, he to has meetings,and

desucess how to handle the sistution, but the Pope dosen,t have too agree, since he is

the leader of the church,usually those under him, agree, but some don,t’

IF you want to get the story than read the.THE FUURTH SECRET OF FATIMA,by

Antonio Socci. I did and found many intersting things and than you might change your mine

I still say that the Fourth Secret hasn,t been revieled.And that letter is still lock up in

Vaction a long with Sister Lucy other letter.

Why because, Iam devoted to OUR LADY and as a member of Fatima and a voluntter

as a Apostalate, I well defend OUR LADY and the POPE.:
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actually, my post was for the moderators. they can close it if they want.
 
You might thing you can stop us, but the truth is that,OUR LADY wants us to fight

those who want to silance her request,to concerate Russia,and those of us that believe

in OUR LADY, well keep saying the Rosary,and know that we are protected by Her SON

JESUS and OUR Lady.

Remember, the Rosary stop the war in Europe, say the Rosary with faith for our

Troops and leave it in OUR LADYS to ask GOD to help our Troops over seas,the power

of the Rosary is stronger than bullets believe me. I remenber reading that the last Pope

well see much suffering and he well be at the topof a hill, the cross at the top and many

people lieing dead be low his feet. I pray for you, because it seems you can,t except

that unless we change there is going to be much suffering. Once all the evil is gone

Jesus well come to clam his Kingdom
 
Please discuss and do not argue or this thread will be closed and I’ll have to put a moratorium on the subject, which I rather not do. I rather allow the posters the chance to tone it down and keep the discussion calm, polite and on topic.

Can we agree to tone down the rhetoric?

Thank You

Thomas Casey
Moderator
 
Yes I agree with you, but I do have the right to give my oppenion ,like they do., It,s

called standing up for what I beleive in,am I right. Iam not being rude ,and I let them say

what they feel. So were the problem?
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                    Thank you for under standing

Like Jesus said, Don,t be afraid,If they don,t invite you walk away, and pray for them
 
johnthebaptist1 said:
Yes I agree with you, but I do have the right to give my oppenion ,like they do., It,s

called standing up for what I beleive in,am I right. Iam not being rude ,and I let them say

what they feel. So were the problem?

Thank you for under standing

Like Jesus said, Don,t be afraid,If they don,t invite you walk away, and pray for them
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So we either take your opinion or the opinion of the Church?

I think I will go with the Church on this one. The third secret has been revealed in full. Sr Lucia said so. Sr Lucia also said that the consecration occured and that it has been accepted. The pope has said that the consecration occured.

Or should I believe you, some anonymous poster on the internet who, I am sorry to say, seems to be very confusing in his postings, I can only conclude that english is not your native language.
 
My friends Fatima is the opinion ot the church.

1884 - Pope Leo XIII

On October 13, 1884, Pope Leo XIII was completing mass and as he walked away from the altar, he collapsed. When he awoke, he shared a vision. (The vision that Pope Leo XIII had became a reality 33 years to the day. It is known as the sun dancing in the heavens at Fatima in France.)

The actual vision that Pope Leo XIII had is as follows:

“I heard a noise in front of the Tabernacle. It was a confrontation between Jesus and Satan. Satan told Jesus if given time and power enough, he would destroy the church. Jesus asked in return, ‘How much time and how much power?’ Satan’s reply was one century and more influence over those who would follow him.” Pope Leo XIII said he heard Jesus say “So be it.” The 20th century was given to Satan as a time of testing. Pope Leo XIII was shaken by his experience and in response wrote the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel, he gave the 20th Century to the Holy Spirit, and he wrote 13 encycles on the Rosary saying “The Rosary is the weapon that will defeat Satan.”

This is from St Michaels Catholic Church

And if you listened to Pope Benedicts Homily on May 13 2010…He speaks on 1917-2017.

So I’m not sure what exactly we are speaking about?
 
Dear friend, many people beleive in the miraclel of the Sun, around 70,000 seen it,some kneel others ran to hide but when it was over they all beleive to ,today people go to Fatima to the place were OUR Lady appeared.
As about the third secret,there are people who say it,s all been read and there are people and priest that say that it, hasn,t been all read, so IF thing get worst in the world,and GOD,S wrate come a pound us than,what are the people going to do, they,ll run to churches
like they did when 9 11 happen, fighten so they.ll start praying and saying why didn,t
we listen to OUR LADY,s wishes, beleiveing in what the childern of Fatima said ,pray the
Rosary and thing will change:)
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GOD BLESS
,
 
I feel you , Obviously you feel the Holy Spirit moving you? Its like, we just can’t get everybody in the world to wake up quick enough.

But its getting better every day bro, because you woke up, so I can see the Holy Spirit working.

Have you checked out the Rosary threads here? If you want to be moved a bit more, read them. 👍
 
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