The Traditional Latin Mass

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Comments on changes to the Novus Ordo Mass are generally negative. However, the negativity generally comes from the resistance to change. You know learning curves are just not fun…

There is no valid theological reason for their grumbling. The changes after all are more of a return to Tradition than anything else.

The celebration of the Mass, I believe and please correct me if I’m wrong, was officially changed by Pope Paul VI in his Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum in April of 1969.

I myself who have participated in the Novus Ordo thousands of times and have come to love it. I mean after all, Our Lord is -Truly- and -Substantially- present once the priest who stands in Persona Christi recites the words of consecration and thus changes ordinary bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.

However, what about The Traditional Latin Mass, The Extra Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite?

Is there anyone still celebrating the Mass in this way?

In New York City I know of several churches that do so such as, St. Agnes on Fulton Sheen Way, Church of Our Savior on Park Ave and The Church of The Holy Innocents in Herald Square. However, there are close to one hundred Roman Catholic Churches in Manhattan and most of them celebrate the Mass in the Novus Ordo form.
  • Do you think it is still necessary to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass?
If so:
  • Do you think it allows the faithful to enter even more deeply the beautiful mystery that is - The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?
  • Should it be brought back universally?
I would very much appreciate your comments…

Thank you and God bless
 
Every good-sized city seems to have the TLM available. Some smaller towns do. I like having the choice.
 
Our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI has said that both the Ordinary and Extraordianry Forms are just that; two FORMS of the same rite (the Latin Rite) of the Catholic Church.

Because of this, he decreed that the Extraordinary Form should be made available in any parish where a priest and/or faithful wish to have it.

We should not pit one form against another. It’s great that you are able to develop a prayerful faith life whilst attending the novus ordo. However, if you do get the chance to attend a Solemn High Mass, I urge you to check it out. It is a beautiful expression of the Catholic faith-one that goes back several hundred years. I try to drive once a month the 100+ miles to St. Francis De Sales Oratory in St. Louis, MO to participate in the Solemn High Mass presided over by the Institute of Christ The King Sovereign Priest. They put on a very beautiful, reverent mass.



Below is a link to a video trailer of a requiem mass. It is such a solemn, beautiful experience.

Solemn Requiem Mass According to the Dominican Rite - 2 Minute Trailer
 
Go easy, folks. 😦
Too many of us have already become fatally addicted to the TLM Solemn High Mass! :eek:

Long may it continue!!! 😃
 
jmj33777 said:
  • Do you think it allows the faithful to enter even more deeply the beautiful mystery that is - The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?
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No, I don’t think that the Tridentine Mass allows the faithful to enter more deeply into the beautiful mystery of the sacrifice of Christ more than any other form of the Mass.

I would venture a guess that thousands of Benedictine Monks, Franciscan and Domainican Friars, and Eastern Catholic Churches who never celebrated the Tridentine Mass don’t think so as well.
jmj33777 said:
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The Tridentine Mass was never universal in the Catholic Church.

-Tim-
 
I saw the Extraordinary Form for the first time last July. I was absolutely blown away by it. It was the most graeful thing I have ever seen. Still, either Form is of infinite value.
 
jmj33777 said:
Comments on changes to the Novus Ordo Mass are generally negative. However, the negativity generally comes from the resistance to change. You know learning curves are just not fun…

There is no valid theological reason for their grumbling. The changes after all are more of a return to Tradition than anything else.

The celebration of the Mass, I believe and please correct me if I’m wrong, was officially changed by Pope Paul VI in his Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum in April of 1969.

I myself who have participated in the Novus Ordo thousands of times and have come to love it. I mean after all, Our Lord is -Truly- and -Substantially- present once the priest who stands in Persona Christi recites the words of consecration and thus changes ordinary bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.

However, what about The Traditional Latin Mass, The Extra Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite?

Is there anyone still celebrating the Mass in this way?

In New York City I know of several churches that do so such as, St. Agnes on Fulton Sheen Way, Church of Our Savior on Park Ave and The Church of The Holy Innocents in Herald Square. However, there are close to one hundred Roman Catholic Churches in Manhattan and most of them celebrate the Mass in the Novus Ordo form.
  • Do you think it is still necessary to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass?
If so:
  • Do you think it allows the faithful to enter even more deeply the beautiful mystery that is - The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?
  • Should it be brought back universally?
Thank you and God bless
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I go to both forms of the Mass, EF and OF. I love both forms.
I don’t think it is necessary to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass, but it is a blessing to have it.

I don’t believe the TLM allows us to enter more deeply into the mystery of the Mass, nor does the Church teach it does.

Both forms of the Mass allows the faithful to enter deeply into the beautiful mystery of the Mass. In both forms the priest is both victim and priest in persona Christi. We offer ourselves with Christ and His sacrifice to the Father.
How deeply we enter into this beautiful mystery is largely dependent on our interior dispositions, and not which form of the Mass we go to, or how the priest celebrates the Mass. The graces we receive from the Mass can vary largely because of our interior dispositions, and not that one form of the Mass allows a deeper entery. At both forms of the Mass we enter into the Sacrifice of Calvary.
 
Esrb99 said:
Our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI has said that both the Ordinary and Extraordianry Forms are just that; two FORMS of the same rite (the Latin Rite) of the Catholic Church.

Because of this, he decreed that the Extraordinary Form should be made available in any parish where a priest and/or faithful wish to have it.

We should not pit one form against another. It’s great that you are able to develop a prayerful faith life whilst attending the novus ordo.
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I agree completely. I visit an EF Mass Celebration occasionally and as there is an Ordinary Form Mass right afterward on Sundays, I can stay for that one too.

There is a “neighborhood” church in Atwater Village, near Los Angeles, where the priests conduct Mass in English, but some of the prayers are sung in Latin- the Sanctus, the Pater Noster and the Agnus Dei, in particular. The congregation there kneels following the Agnus Dei, which I like, but in most of the other churches where I attend Mass the people stand after the Amen following the Eucharistic prayer. Personally, I like the blend of Latin and English at Holy Trinity in Atwater Village and Father Harrigan, the pastor, catechizes during his homilies- he will even quiz the faithful on some of the dogmatic points he has covered in previous homilies.👍
 
I have attended the OF Mass for the last 40+ years but now I try my best to attend the EF Mass exclusively. I can accept the OF as valid but I “love” the EF.
 
corsair said:
I can accept the OF as valid but I “love” the EF.
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Im similar to you Corsair. I like the OF but LOVE the EF. Im still looking for an OF parish somewhere close by who uses a lot of Latin and/or is celebrated ad orientem for those moments when I do desire the OF. I’d like to see that! :yup:
 
Esrb99 said:
Our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI has said that both the Ordinary and Extraordianry Forms are just that; two FORMS of the same rite (the Latin Rite) of the Catholic Church.

Because of this, he decreed that the Extraordinary Form should be made available in any parish where a priest and/or faithful wish to have it.

We should not pit one form against another. It’s great that you are able to develop a prayerful faith life whilst attending the novus ordo. However, if you do get the chance to attend a Solemn High Mass, I urge you to check it out. It is a beautiful expression of the Catholic faith-one that goes back several hundred years. I try to drive once a month the 100+ miles to St. Francis De Sales Oratory in St. Louis, MO to participate in the Solemn High Mass presided over by the Institute of Christ The King Sovereign Priest. They put on a very beautiful, reverent mass.

http://www.musicasacra.com/images/christking.jpg

Below is a link to a video trailer of a requiem mass. It is such a solemn, beautiful experience.

Solemn Requiem Mass According to the Dominican Rite - 2 Minute Trailer
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Thank you very much for the trailer.

I have served in three Requiem Masses and each were very beautiful!

I agree that one should not be set in opposition to the other. We should perhaps instead see both as the gift that they are.

When the Mass is celebrated with deep reverence and a contrite and humble heart. I am sure Our Lord is pleased…

I know a couple of “Traditionalist” that would not agree but they mean no harm. It’s just that they have seen one too many Nous Ordo Masses done in less than 12 minutes, with perhaps an altar girl in jeans and sneakers assisting the Priest.

Experiences like this tend to create a bias towards Tradition!

Anyway, God bless and thank you for your response…
 
Pope Benedict encourages the Latin Mass. VII didn’t abrogate it. It’s still a valid Mass in the Church. Many things that people are upset about are not those that are part of NO itself but certain indults that came after. They’re indults, and the Ordinary Form Mass can be said without them (Mass at the Vatican or EWTN perhaps - are good examples of this :)).

I love attending the Latin Mass and would go weekly/daily if I was able to.
 
corsair said:
I have attended the OF Mass for the last 40+ years but now I try my best to attend the EF Mass exclusively. I can accept the OF as valid but I “love” the EF.
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I am feeling the same way more and more! There is something EXTRA - ORDINARY about celebrating the Mass in this way. At first I thought it was only me because I was entering a new level of experience but I am not too sure that being exposed to a different set of rubrics “New to my experience” could generate in me a deeper devotion for the Mass… It appears to be a bit more than that.
 
jmj33777 said:
In New York City I know of several churches that do so such as, St. Agnes on Fulton Sheen Way, Church of Our Savior on Park Ave and The Church of The Holy Innocents in Herald Square. **However, there are close to one hundred Roman Catholic Churches in Manhattan and most of them celebrate the Mass in the Novus Ordo form. **
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This will probably not come as a surprise, but NYC is no oasis of tradition, even though we are blessed to have some churches that do celebrate the EF.
 
I love both forms of the Mass but if I could go to the Extraordinary Form more I would but the closest Masses in that form are at least 2 hours drive away from me. Going to the EF has really enriched my faith life in many ways. I pray that my diocese will some day offer it.
 
TimothyH said:
I would venture a guess that thousands of Benedictine Monks, Franciscan and Domainican Friars, and Eastern Catholic Churches who never celebrated the Tridentine Mass don’t think so as well.
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The Benedictines and the Franciscans never had a specific Mass rite of their own: the Franciscans always followed the Roman Rite since the time of St. Francis, albeit with minor peculiar customs of their own. The Benedictines, while having always had their own form of the Divine Office, often used local rites and uses (depending on the area), though with the promulgation of Quo Primum they also began to adopt the Roman liturgy.
The Tridentine Mass was never universal in the Catholic Church.
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-Tim-
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True.
 
patrick457 said:
The Benedictines and the Franciscans never had a specific Mass rite of their own: the Franciscans always followed the Roman Rite since the time of St. Francis, albeit with minor peculiar customs of their own. The Benedictines, while having always had their own form of the Divine Office, often used local rites and uses (depending on the area), though with the promulgation of Quo Primum they also began to adopt the Roman liturgy.

True.
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But a Mass in one language was about the most universal and most standard the Council of Trent and Quo Primum (and Veterum Sapientia and Vatican II for that matter) could get. 😉
 
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