The Tree of Life and the Blessed Eucharist

[grannymh]

I’m sorry, maybe I should be more clear,

Worship of God is

1. external - bodily, physical.
2. internal - uniting heart and mind to God

Therefore,

If,
Old Testament Worship have images of Christ (e.g. Paschal Lamb),
And
Christ is the image of the invisible God,(Col 1:15)
Then,
Why would God assume a special presence (fire type as in the flaming sword) in the form of a man?
Why weren’t the sin offerings of the OT sufficient?

If I may, I would like to add that Colossians 1: 15 needs to be read in the terms of its context, verses 15 -20. These lines, in a poetic arrangement, were probably an early Christian hymn which praised Christ, true God, as mediator of creation and of redemption. To understand verse 15, one needs to understand that Paul considers Christ as the full image of the invisible God. Refer to Colossians 2:9 “For in Him [Christ] dwells the whole fullness of the Deity”

The key is that Christ is the only full and complete image of God because He is true God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I’m sorry, maybe I should be more clear,

Worship of God is

1. external - bodily, physical.
2. internal - uniting heart and mind to God

Therefore,

If,
Old Testament Worship have images of Christ (e.g. Paschal Lamb),
And
Christ is the image of the invisible God,(Col 1:15)
Then,
Why would God assume a special presence (fire type as in the flaming sword) in the form of a man?
Why weren’t the sin offerings of the OT sufficient?

It’s a mystery. Like Job, we aren’t supposed to know the reasons why God does the things He does. Just have faith and abide in Him.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

If I may, I would like to add that Colossians 1: 15 needs to be read in the terms of its context, verses 15 -20. These lines, in a poetic arrangement, were probably an early Christian hymn which praised Christ, true God, as mediator of creation and of redemption. To understand verse 15, one needs to understand that Paul considers Christ as the full image of the invisible God. Refer to Colossians 2:9 “For in Him [Christ] dwells the whole fullness of the Deity”

The key is that Christ is the only full and complete image of God because He is true God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.

Thanks granny

Correct me if I’m wrong (any scriptures to support or reject this?)…

Christ is the perfect image (or likeness) of God.
Man is the imperfect image (or likeness) of God (Gen 1:26).
A paschal lamb is an imperfect image (or likeness) of The Christ.

And so,

If Christ is the perfect image of God,
Then Christ is 100% God.

But,

If Christ is also 100% man,
Then Christ is the perfect union of God and man.

Since,

Worship of God is

1. external - bodily, physical.
2. internal - uniting heart and mind to God

Then,

Christ is the Perfect Worship of God.
Made possible by God becoming both 100% God and 100% man.

Therefore,

The Perfect Worship of God (The Christ),
Conquers all sin.
Even though
sin is a violent attack on the Perfect Worship of God.

And so,

Since only God can save us from sin…

The Perfect Worship of God (The Christ),
Offers himself as a sin offering
Taking on all sin,
Then conquering it.

And Therefore,

We must conform to the Perfect Worship of God (The Christ) to be eternally freed from the slavery of sin.

(Is it accurate to say that,
The Perfect Worship of God is the Way to Eternal Life?)

 

[grannymh]

Thanks granny

Correct me if I’m wrong (any scriptures to support or reject this?)…

Christ is the perfect image (or likeness) of God.
Man is the imperfect image (or likeness) of God (Gen 1:26).
A paschal lamb is an imperfect image (or likeness) of The Christ.

And so,

If Christ is the perfect image of God,
Then Christ is 100% God.

But,

If Christ is also 100% man,
Then Christ is the perfect union of God and man.

Since,

Worship of God is

1. external - bodily, physical.
2. internal - uniting heart and mind to God

Then,

Christ is the Perfect Worship of God.
Made possible by God becoming both 100% God and 100% man.

Therefore,

The Perfect Worship of God (The Christ),
Conquers all sin.
Even though
sin is a violent attack on the Perfect Worship of God.

And so,

Since only God can save us from sin…

The Perfect Worship of God (The Christ),
Offers himself as a sin offering
Taking on all sin,
Then conquering it.

And Therefore,

We must conform to the Perfect Worship of God (The Christ) to be eternally freed from the slavery of sin.

(Is it accurate to say that,
The Perfect Worship of God is the Way to Eternal Life?)

Dang! I wish my head would stop bumping the keyboard. Need to go to bed, but can’t resist what you wrote above. That is some great stuff. Two things – I would drop the paschal lamb in the beginning and maybe bring it back later. Second, my questions to you are-- do you see the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Holy Communion in what you wrote? Do you see Christ as priest and victim? Do you see the paschal lamb at that point or as the sin offering?

I’ll get back to you. The Scripture which bounced into my head is “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” or something similar. I just went back to your post 40. You’ve answered your question in this post.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is meant for eternal life.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Dang! I wish my head would stop bumping the keyboard. Need to go to bed, but can’t resist what you wrote above. That is some great stuff. Two things – I would drop the paschal lamb in the beginning and maybe bring it back later. Second, my questions to you are-- do you see the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Holy Communion in what you wrote? Do you see Christ as priest and victim? Do you see the paschal lamb at that point or as the sin offering?

I’ll get back to you. The Scripture which bounced into my head is “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” or something similar. I just went back to your post 40. You’ve answered your question in this post.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is meant for eternal life.

The Perfect Worship of God
is
The perfect unity of humanity with God
(By the way God = Unity, and Unity unites by the very meaning of the word)

Humanity can not perfectly unite with God
Because then,
Humanity would be God.

But,

Humanity can perfectly unite with humanity,
Because
Humanity is humanity.

Since Christ is the perfect unity of God and humanity,
Then,
By uniting to Christ’s humanity, we can unite to God.
Therefore,
Christ is the one true mediator between God and humanity.

Since a priest is a mediator between God and humanity,
Christ is the one true priest.
(Catholic priests are only ministers to Christ (Heb 8:4 and Catechism #1545)).

Also,

To worship God with all of our humanity,
And,
Eating something is the most perfect way of physically uniting with that something,
(e.g.“You are what you eat”)
Then,
Physically eating the physical body of Christ is a form of worshiping God.
(In the form of bread, we wouldn’t want to be practicing cannibalism).

These might be some of your answers.
Any scriptures come to mind?

What are your thoughts about the paschal lamb?

 

[Peter_Dawson]

In the beginning, God in His goodness gave Adam and Eve the gift of free will. While Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, they freely loved God. Unfortunately, they were tempted to go against God by using their free will to do that which was forbidden by God. This act of Adam and Eve is called sin. Because it was the first sin ever committed, it is named “Original Sin”.

As parents of the entire human race, Adam and Eve acted on behalf of all who would eventually descend from them. Because Adam and Eve chose to sin, this Original Sin is passed on to us. As sinners, we needed to be reconciled to God. The way that this could happen was through Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.

Jesus Christ freely chose to reconcile us through His suffering and death on the cross. By doing this, Jesus Christ conquered death and opened the gates of heaven for us. Jesus Christ also established the Catholic Church to give us the means to follow Him and thus gain eternal life with God. The Catholic Eucharist is the true presence of Jesus Christ under the signs of bread and wine. In this manner, Jesus Christ continues to live with us.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is meant for eternal life with God.

Hi, granny.

I take it that you regard your narrative, here, which is a pretty good restatement of the way the Adam and Eve account is taught to us Catholics, as history.

The problem with viewing it as “history” which implies theology, rather than as a myth to teach some theology, is that if we view it as “history” the story implies some fairly absurd things about the world God has created and about God.

“As parents of the entire human race, Adam and Eve acted on behalf of all who would eventually descend from them.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Will God condemn me because of my parents’ personal sins or because of my grandparents’ personal sins or because of my great grandparents’ personal sins? Why was what two individual persons did eons ago imputed to me? To you?

“Because Adam and Eve chose to sin, this Original Sin is passed on to us.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Why should I become more sin-prone because of a sinful act occuring in time by two people eons ago?

If the answer is, “God did it. He’s the Big Boss! He’s allowed to do it, if He wants!,” then don’t we have to ask, “If Peter Dawson were a judge, and because a Defendant before him is convicted of a crime, and Mr. Dawson imposed sentence by condemning the Defendant, the Defendant’s offspring to prison, even if that number comes to 100,000,000,000 people, then isn’t Mr. Dawson insane? Shouldn’t HE be locked up?”

Additionally, why in heaven’s holy name would God, Who HATES sin, “punish” mankind for Adam and Eve’s sin by MAKING the descendants of Adam and Eve MORE sin-prone???

Isn’t that like God saying, “Oh, you stole, did you? Okay! I’ll punish you! I’ll punish YOU by making ALL of your descendants more prone to be thieves!”?

What SENSE does that make?

Adam and Eve are not an event in time. They are a myth. The story is full of telltale signs that it is a myth.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Hi, granny.

I take it that you regard your narrative, here, which is a pretty good restatement of the way the Adam and Eve account is taught to us Catholics, as history.

The problem with viewing it as “history” which implies theology, rather than as a myth to teach some theology, is that if we view it as “history” the story implies some fairly absurd things about the world God has created and about God.

“As parents of the entire human race, Adam and Eve acted on behalf of all who would eventually descend from them.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Will God condemn me because of my parents’ personal sins or because of my grandparents’ personal sins or because of my great grandparents’ personal sins? Why was what two individual persons did eons ago imputed to me? To you?

“Because Adam and Eve chose to sin, this Original Sin is passed on to us.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Why should I become more sin-prone because of a sinful act occuring in time by two people eons ago?

If the answer is, “God did it. He’s the Big Boss! He’s allowed to do it, if He wants!,” then don’t we have to ask, “If Peter Dawson were a judge, and because a Defendant before him is convicted of a crime, and Mr. Dawson imposed sentence by condemning the Defendant, the Defendant’s offspring to prison, even if that number comes to 100,000,000,000 people, then isn’t Mr. Dawson insane? Shouldn’t HE be locked up?”

Additionally, why in heaven’s holy name would God, Who HATES sin, “punish” mankind for Adam and Eve’s sin by MAKING the descendants of Adam and Eve MORE sin-prone???

Isn’t that like God saying, “Oh, you stole, did you? Okay! I’ll punish you! I’ll punish YOU by making ALL of your descendants more prone to be thieves!”?

What SENSE does that make?

Adam and Eve are not an event in time. They are a myth. The story is full of telltale signs that it is a myth.

I think some people just can’t think any way except literally. This seems to be true of Granny.

 

[grannymh]

The Perfect Worship of God
is
The perfect unity of humanity with God
(By the way God = Unity, and Unity unites by the very meaning of the word)

Humanity can not perfectly unite with God
Because then,
Humanity would be God.

But,

Humanity can perfectly unite with humanity,
Because
Humanity is humanity.

Since Christ is the perfect unity of God and humanity,
Then,
By uniting to Christ’s humanity, we can unite to God.
Therefore,
Christ is the one true mediator between God and humanity.

Since a priest is a mediator between God and humanity,
Christ is the one true priest.
(Catholic priests are only ministers to Christ (Heb 8:4 and Catechism #1545)).

Also,

To worship God with all of our humanity,
And,
Eating something is the most perfect way of physically uniting with that something,
(e.g.“You are what you eat”)
Then,
Physically eating the physical body of Christ is a form of worshiping God.
(In the form of bread, we wouldn’t want to be practicing cannibalism).

These might be some of your answers.
Any scriptures come to mind?

What are your thoughts about the paschal lamb?

Since Christ is the perfect unity of God and humanity,

This and your previous description of Christ being 100% man and 100% God is the key to understanding Christ. Not that we will ever be able to completely understand Christ in our temporal life.

Since Christ is the perfect unity of God and humanity,
Then,
By uniting to Christ’s humanity, we can unite to God.
Therefore,
Christ is the one true mediator between God and humanity.

Your phrasing is good. Personally, I like to think of God as the One Who initiates the action. John 3: 16 & 17.

(Catholic priests are only ministers to Christ (Heb 8:4 and Catechism #1545)).

Another opinion – I like to think of priests, and in a way ourselves, as Christ’s ministers to others.

Therefore,
Christ is the one true mediator between God and humanity.

Amen!

Regarding my thoughts on the Paschal Lamb… Actually, I am in the midst of learning more about the Paschal Lamb. The first pages of the following book are fascinating.

The Lamb’s Supper, The Mass as Heaven on Earth
by Scott Hahn
ISBN: 0-385-49659-1

Blessings,
granny

John 3: 16 & 17

 

[grannymh]

Hi, granny.

I take it that you regard your narrative, here, which is a pretty good restatement of the way the Adam and Eve account is taught to us Catholics, as history.

The problem with viewing it as “history” which implies theology, rather than as a myth to teach some theology, is that if we view it as “history” the story implies some fairly absurd things about the world God has created and about God.

“As parents of the entire human race, Adam and Eve acted on behalf of all who would eventually descend from them.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Will God condemn me because of my parents’ personal sins or because of my grandparents’ personal sins or because of my great grandparents’ personal sins? Why was what two individual persons did eons ago imputed to me? To you?

“Because Adam and Eve chose to sin, this Original Sin is passed on to us.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Why should I become more sin-prone because of a sinful act occuring in time by two people eons ago?

If the answer is, “God did it. He’s the Big Boss! He’s allowed to do it, if He wants!,” then don’t we have to ask, “If Peter Dawson were a judge, and because a Defendant before him is convicted of a crime, and Mr. Dawson imposed sentence by condemning the Defendant, the Defendant’s offspring to prison, even if that number comes to 100,000,000,000 people, then isn’t Mr. Dawson insane? Shouldn’t HE be locked up?”

Additionally, why in heaven’s holy name would God, Who HATES sin, “punish” mankind for Adam and Eve’s sin by MAKING the descendants of Adam and Eve MORE sin-prone???

Isn’t that like God saying, “Oh, you stole, did you? Okay! I’ll punish you! I’ll punish YOU by making ALL of your descendants more prone to be thieves!”?

What SENSE does that make?

Adam and Eve are not an event in time. They are a myth. The story is full of telltale signs that it is a myth.

Peter, if you want answers to your questions in post 46, please take your post 46 to the pastor of a Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

This and your previous description of Christ being 100% man and 100% God is the key to understanding Christ. Not that we will ever be able to completely understand Christ in our temporal life.

I agree,
Christians often use reason to explain their faith.
A faith which is not received from reason but from God.

Your phrasing is good. Personally, I like to think of God as the One Who initiates the action. John 3: 16 & 17.

…I agree, God is the action, and humanity cooperates by free will…

(By the way God = Unity, and Unity unites by the very meaning of the word)

Another opinion – I like to think of priests, and in a way ourselves, as Christ’s ministers to others.

Thanks granny,
To minister means to serve,
Catholic “priests” are only “ministers” to both Christ and others.
Catholic priests are still a kind of mediator.

Hi, granny.

I take it that you regard your narrative, here, which is a pretty good restatement of the way the Adam and Eve account is taught to us Catholics, as history.

The problem with viewing it as “history” which implies theology, rather than as a myth to teach some theology, is that if we view it as “history” the story implies some fairly absurd things about the world God has created and about God.

“As parents of the entire human race, Adam and Eve acted on behalf of all who would eventually descend from them.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Will God condemn me because of my parents’ personal sins or because of my grandparents’ personal sins or because of my great grandparents’ personal sins? Why was what two individual persons did eons ago imputed to me? To you?

“Because Adam and Eve chose to sin, this Original Sin is passed on to us.” Why do you say this? This isn’t in the story at all. Historically, how is this true? How could it be true? Why should I become more sin-prone because of a sinful act occuring in time by two people eons ago?

If the answer is, “God did it. He’s the Big Boss! He’s allowed to do it, if He wants!,” then don’t we have to ask, “If Peter Dawson were a judge, and because a Defendant before him is convicted of a crime, and Mr. Dawson imposed sentence by condemning the Defendant, the Defendant’s offspring to prison, even if that number comes to 100,000,000,000 people, then isn’t Mr. Dawson insane? Shouldn’t HE be locked up?”

Additionally, why in heaven’s holy name would God, Who HATES sin, “punish” mankind for Adam and Eve’s sin by MAKING the descendants of Adam and Eve MORE sin-prone???

Isn’t that like God saying, “Oh, you stole, did you? Okay! I’ll punish you! I’ll punish YOU by making ALL of your descendants more prone to be thieves!”?

What SENSE does that make?

Adam and Eve are not an event in time. They are a myth. The story is full of telltale signs that it is a myth.

God = Life = Unity,
Sin separates us from God.

So since,
Death and illness are separations from Life and Unity,
Then,
Sin has contaminated the human body,
From birth.

Therefore,

There must be a remedy for this contamination,
For the human body to be resurrected and to have Eternal Life.

(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.)

 

[Peter_Dawson]

I agree,
Christians often use reason to explain their faith.
A faith which is not received from reason but from God.

…I agree, God is the action, and humanity cooperates by free will…

Thanks granny,
To minister means to serve,
Catholic “priests” are only “ministers” to both Christ and others.
Catholic priests are still a kind of mediator.

God = Life = Unity,
Sin separates us from God.

So since,
Death and illness are separations from Life and Unity,
Then,
Sin has contaminated the human body,
From birth.

Therefore,

There must be a remedy for this contamination,
For the human body to be resurrected and to have Eternal Life.

(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.)

In a sense, it’s simpler than you say, but very good. The remedy is grace.

 

[grannymh]

I agree,
Christians often use reason to explain their faith.
A faith which is not received from reason but from God.

…I agree, God is the action, and humanity cooperates by free will…

Thanks granny,
To minister means to serve,
Catholic “priests” are only “ministers” to both Christ and others.
Catholic priests are still a kind of mediator.

God = Life = Unity,
Sin separates us from God.

So since,
Death and illness are separations from Life and Unity,
Then,
Sin has contaminated the human body,
From birth.

Therefore,

There must be a remedy for this contamination,
For the human body to be resurrected and to have Eternal Life.

(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.)

Seems to me you already have the remedy in this life = faith in Jesus = acceptance of His church and His ministers, which also includes you and me.

Serving others brings healing to both, the one receiving and the one giving.

The complete and final remedy = return to the unity with God = eternal life.

This is my first attempt to follow your style. So go ahead and tweak it. I think I missed a middle step.

(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.) Could that be a way of looking at God from the point of our free will?

I have been to Lourdes. Often the healing is not getting rid of physical sickness but receiving a peace that is beyond all understanding.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

 

[grannymh]

In a sense, it’s simpler than you say, but very good. The remedy is grace.

Yes it is. It is truly an amazing gift of God.

 

[grannymh]

When reading Sacred Scripture, one finds a forest of trees.

Nonetheless, one should not make the mistake of thinking that because a particular tree can be seen as a symbol, this invalidates the entire Bible passage. Regarding Adam and Eve, the Catholic Church teaches that some parts of Genesis use symbolic or figurative language. This does not mean that Divine Revelation, itself, is a myth which can be ignored.

Because Peter was given the keys to the kingdom, Peter and his successor Popes have the responsibility of transmitting Divine Revelation to us. “For the promise is made to you and to your children and to all those far off…” Acts 3:14-42.
Divine Revelation is currently contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.

The following quote in various forms is often seen on threads.

Adam and Eve are not an event in time. They are a myth. The story is full of telltale signs that it is a myth.

Catholic teaching is that Adam and Eve existed as real people in real time. The concept of Original Sin is actual truth. There is some leeway in viewing some particulars in Genesis as symbolic or as figurative language. This in no way changes the truth of Divine Revelation as taught by the Catholic Church.

Free speech allows individuals to apply words like myth, or fiction, or some kind of figurative language used to teach some theology, or only symbolic to Adam and Eve. That kind of language should be understood as coming from an individual and not from the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is very precise when it teaches Divine Revelation. The Catholic doctrines and the true Real Presence of our Divine Savior, Jesus Christ, in the Blessed Eucharist are two of the many reasons, the Catholic Church has existed since Jesus told Peter “Tend My sheep.”
John 21: 15-17.

Blessings,
granny

John 3: 16 & 17

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Seems to me you already have the remedy in this life = faith in Jesus = acceptance of His church and His ministers, which also includes you and me.

Serving others brings healing to both, the one receiving and the one giving.

The complete and final remedy = return to the unity with God = eternal life.

This is my first attempt to follow your style. So go ahead and tweak it. I think I missed a middle step.

(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.) Could that be a way of looking at God from the point of our free will?

I have been to Lourdes. Often the healing is not getting rid of physical sickness but receiving a peace that is beyond all understanding.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

So, there are two remedies?

(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.) Could that be a way of looking at God from the point of our free will?

I’m not sure what your asking. Could you elaborate?

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

Excellent point.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

In a sense, it’s simpler than you say, but very good. The remedy is grace.

If we have free will,
Can the remedy of grace ever be lost once received?

 

[grannymh]

So, there are two remedies?
I’m not sure what your asking. Could you elaborate?
.

In regard to:
There must be a remedy for this contamination,
For the human body to be resurrected and to have Eternal Life.
granny wrote:

Originally Posted by grannymh forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
Seems to me you already have the remedy in this life = faith in Jesus = acceptance of His church and His ministers, which also includes you and me.

The complete and final remedy = return to the unity with God = eternal life.

So, there are two remedies?

Now that you ask…I believe there is only one remedy, God’s love. When I first answered you, I was thinking in terms of time, temporal time on earth plus eternal time with God.

original Quote:
(Sometimes a judge is also a merciful doctor.) Could that be a way of looking at God from the point of our free will?

I’m not sure what your asking. Could you elaborate?

Good point. When I think about a “judge”, I realize that it is my free will that comes into play when I act, etc. A lot of actions are kind of neutral or maybe borderline sinful. Sometimes, I need to look to an authority (judge) outside of myself for guidance. This judge, through kindness in helping me weigh the pros and cons, is like a merciful doctor looking to heal me or rather keep me well with “preventative care.”

Not sure if I am making sense, because I am racing to leave town to be with kids and grandkids for Mother’s Day. I gather my flock for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and then, after feeding our souls, we feed our bodies at brunch.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Now that you ask…I believe there is only one remedy, God’s love. When I first answered you, I was thinking in terms of time, temporal time on earth plus eternal time with God.

Happy Mother’s Day, granny!

So,

Love unites us to God,
Love unites us to all people, (since God unites to all people)
Which is imperfect in this life,
And perfect in Eternal Life?

And,

Love unites the divinity and humanity of the Christ,
Love unites us to the Christ
Which unites us to God?

(A pascal lamb does not unite us to God? - sorry if this question is too soon.)

Isn’t Love a name for the Holy Spirit (You know… Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)?

Good point. When I think about a “judge”, I realize that it is my free will that comes into play when I act, etc. A lot of actions are kind of neutral or maybe borderline sinful. Sometimes, I need to look to an authority (judge) outside of myself for guidance. This judge, through kindness in helping me weigh the pros and cons, is like a merciful doctor looking to heal me or rather keep me well with “preventative care.”

Not sure if I am making sense, because I am racing to leave town to be with kids and grandkids for Mother’s Day. I gather my flock for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and then, after feeding our souls, we feed our bodies at brunch.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

I think I understand…

The merciful doctor judges the illness,
The merciful doctor guides the patient,
The merciful doctor heals the freely cooperating patient?

If so,
Assuming the merciful doctor is right,
Why doesn’t the merciful doctor just impose the treatment?

 

[Jerry-Jet]

Does anyone know what would have happened if Adam and Eve had eaten of the tree of life and not listened to the serpent?

 

[grannymh]

Does anyone know what would have happened if Adam and Eve had eaten of the tree of life and not listened to the serpent?

Which verses in Genesis are you referring to? What kinds of definitions are you giving the tree of life? What was God’s original command?