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inJESUS
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what about 2?
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Sister_Amy
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Go back to #2. You can’t base your conclusion on a flawed premise.
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inJESUS
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repeating that it is a flawed premise does not make it so. Please explain what does it mean the the Word of Allah is uncreated and eternal and tell us if it makes 2 Allah or just one. And elaborate on what does it mean that the Word of Allah is He yet not He. I asked this many times already.
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i wasnt talking about divinity in point#1. i was just stating the fact human beings can develop multiple personalities. illness or not, it happens. its realistic. Trinities can happen in real life.Not really. I only took an intro to psychology and we didn’t cover that. I recall it being an illness, however, or a way of dealing with some crisis… doesn’t seem like an attribute of divinity.
I already told you.
In addition, the universe itself is evidence that the creator needs to do something.
Otherwise, something that has no needs whatsoever would remain dormant like a rock. Nothing else would exist. Not you. Not me.
No using the bible, remember? You are back at #2.
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But God isn’t human… why should God suffer from a human illness?
But I didn’t buy it.
No. It is evidence that the Creator did and does, not that He needs.
Still not buying it. You didn’t always exist. Neither did I. So God doesn’t need you, and doesn’t need me.
Sartre is definitely not the Bible. lol
I think you need to prove that God has needs, and that God is subject to human personality malfunctions.
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I did explain.
You asked this many times, and I told you that you didn’t understand the argument about the Qur’an being uncreated. So I refuse to discuss it with you.
The Qur’an is not Allah. Repeat that 10 times. I don’t know Islamic sources that say what you say (i.e., “Word of Allah is He yet not He.”) Because the Word of Allah is not He.
Thanks for playing.
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Again, I am merely pointing out the fact that human Trinities can happen in real life. Why? To shoot down this argument before it happens: “3 persons in 1 being is illogical”.
I dont care if you refuse to buy it. All I care about is the logic of it. Something that do things has the NEED to do things.
Refute the logic, else proceed to #3.
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When a person develops a split personality disorder, does each personality exist all the time, at the same time, with the same experiences? Or different? And do you really think that God has split personalities?
There is no logic here to refute. It’s just your opinion, now. Your opinion against mine.
So bring logic instead.
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All at the same time. They can all converse simultaneously inside the person’s head.
i am personally agnostic on the details of God. but the God of christianity, thats an obvious case of Multiple Personalities.
My opinion is logical. If not, prove it.There is no logic here to refute. It’s just your opinion, now. Your opinion against mine.
Your opinion is illogical because by mentioning “self-sufficiency” you are obviously arguing against the NEED FOR CONSUMPTION. My argument is the NEED TO ACT. The need to do something. All forms of life has that need, from Amoebas to Human Beings. God created the universe, which proves he has that need as well.
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And can they disagree? Like one walks left and the other walks right?
Heh, not even you believe this nonsense.
Okay, pay attention. “There is no logic in it.”
God created the universe, and all forms of life. God created all forms of life–that does not make Him subject to the rules of the creation.
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I dont think Christians believe God has got a split personality, I just think Christians worship Jesus…
Its the glorification and deification of a man… it was because the bible was written so far after the passing of Jesus and by so many different authors who did not know jesus that this is the case.
It is like a cult of personality…
Unless however you stop taking partners with God, then the end will be clear, you profess two different ideals. One is the alleged belief in one God and in the same sentence the belief in Jesus being gods son, then being God himself (how does that even work) then the holy spirit…
It is this mix, up, this confusion which las led the Christians down this path… until they come back to the one true God they will continue to walk the path of confusion
Its the glorification and deification of a man… it was because the bible was written so far after the passing of Jesus and by so many different authors who did not know jesus that this is the case.
It is like a cult of personality…
Unless however you stop taking partners with God, then the end will be clear, you profess two different ideals. One is the alleged belief in one God and in the same sentence the belief in Jesus being gods son, then being God himself (how does that even work) then the holy spirit…
It is this mix, up, this confusion which las led the Christians down this path… until they come back to the one true God they will continue to walk the path of confusion
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may i know why?inJESUS;3629563 said:
We confess that **the Kuran **is the speech of Allah, uncreated, His inspiration and revelation, not He, yet not other than He, but His real quality, written in the copiesI understand the quote just fine. But I don’t think you do, because you keep saying “The Word is He yet not He.” and that isn’t what the quote says.
yes the Word is He yet not He because the Quran IS the speech of Allah, He yet not He.
of course it does, when we say the Word of God is God yet distinct.
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they only have one body. so the rest has to submit to the will of the dominant person.
yeah I dont believe in their God. but I think its possible.
if there is no logic, that means its illogical. prove it, instead of just disagreeing. or think of it this way: i refuted your opinion, can you refute mine?
otherwise lets end this with you being unable to refute me.
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Sister_Amy
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No, but you can guess.
Let’s break it up:
The Qur’an is:
(a) the speech of Allah
(b) uncreated
(c) His inspiration
(d) His revelation
The Qur’an is not:
(a) Allah
(b) other than Allah
You can’t say that, in fact, because the Qur’an is not God. Please review–the Qur’an is not Allah. Not He. Not He. Not He.
The Qur’an is not Allah. Let that sink in, okay?
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No, but you can guess.
you won’t like my guess
Let’s break it up:
The Qur’an is:
(a) the speech of Allah
(b) uncreated
(c) His inspiration
(d) His revelation
not He, yet not other than He, but His real quality, written in the copies
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AgnosTheist
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So are we ending this because you cannot accept the overwhelming evidence that God has the Need to Act?
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