The True Creation Story

[Rau]

I find it a bit strange that intelligent participants are not aware of the Science of Human Evolution.

Which participants, other than yourself, are talking about human evolution? Which participants are rejecting what the Church has taught? Not the article you raised.

We Catholics can accept the basic evolution theory when it is applied to non-humans.

We Catholics cannot accept the basic evolution theory when it is applied to humans because it is based on the doctrine that a new species is formed by an indiscriminate random breeding humanizing polygenesis population in the hundreds and thousands.

We Catholics accept that more is at play than scientific theory can address. Science does not declare that there is no divine intervention - the best it can do is declare that this theory (which we might all agree is well founded) may explain all observations so far.

I am frankly amazed that people are having a difficulty with the difference between a large population in the hundreds and thousands and an originating population of two. Pope Pius XII recognized the difference between a thousand and two in the 1940’s.

I can’t imagine anyone not grasping that difference.

 

[grannymh]

Which participants, other than yourself, are talking about human evolution? Which participants are rejecting what the Church has taught? Not the article you raised.

We Catholics accept that more is at play than scientific theory can address. Science does not declare that there is no divine intervention - the best it can do is declare that this theory (which we might all agree is well founded) may explain all observations so far.

I can’t imagine anyone not grasping that difference.

Thank you for the demonstration that Catholics need to catch up with the science of human evolution which directly intersects with Catholic doctrines. Thank you for the demonstration that Catholics need to go back to the basics in the True Creation Story.


Genesis 1: 27 explains why humans are not is the material realm of science. The spiritual world of the Creator God is greater than the material world.

 

[grannymh]

Continuation of post 215.

Genesis 1: 27 explains why humans are not in the material realm of science. The spiritual world of the Creator God is greater than the material world. Still the decomposing human anatomy is in the material world.

Genesis 2: 15-17 is about the relationship between the material world and the spiritual world. Adam as the first human needed to live in submission (obedience) to the totally spiritual Creator God.

**CCC 396 **God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. The prohibition against eating “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” spells this out: “for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die.” The “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.

**CCC 1730 **God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. “God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,’ so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.”

Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts.

Genesis 2: 18 is evidence that Adam is not a random breeding population which is the base for the Science of Human Evolution.

 

[grannymh]

evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_07

humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php

journals.elsevier.com/journal-of-human-evolution

sciencedaily.com/news/fossils_ruins/human_evolution/

macroevolution.net/human-evolution-chart.html

humanorigins.si.edu/education/human-origins-glossary

 

[Rau]

Thank you for the demonstration that Catholics need to catch up with the science of human evolution which directly intersects with Catholic doctrines. Thank you for the demonstration that Catholics need to go back to the basics in the True Creation Story.

Than you for demonstrating that you are shadow boxing. Battling absent opponents and assertions not in evidence.

Genesis 1: 27 explains why humans are not is the material realm of science.

I suggest our bodies are in that realm.

 

[grannymh]

Than you for demonstrating that you are shadow boxing. Battling absent opponents and assertions not in evidence.

I suggest our bodies are in that realm.

It is proper that decomposing matter is in the material realm of our wonderful scientists who definitely deserve an extra star in their heavenly crown.

Humans, themselves, are in the spiritual realm. Genesis 1: 27. CCC 1730 small print.

As for shadow boxing absent opponents, that is very important for our guests who usually outnumber members. I sincerely respect our guest readers and will do my best to answer their questions.

 

[grannymh]

I wish that more people could understand the depth of the Catholic Faith.

 

[simpleas]

I found this interesting regarding spiritual and material realms.

To Christians, 'spiritual; refers to that which causes this world of ‘stuff’ or material to come alive, to move, to change or resist change, or to take action (even when the action taken is to choose not to take action). The spiritual realm is supernatural, an aspect of what underlies all that happens in the material world, including ourselves, including everyone else around us. The ‘material’ world is where the spiritual realm applies itself. This stuffly world is the meat and life-blood of the spiritual realm, and the spiritual is the life-force and thrust of the realm of substance. Thus, the two worlds are different angles of the same reality, not different or separate realities. The Kingdom that Jesus spoke of works in the same way: it came 2000 years ago when Jesus was born, it is here now through those who follow Him, and is coming in the future in its full form. The spiritual life (or soul-life) is lived in the material. And when it is completed, there will be no more mystery about how that can be.

PS. I’m not sure who the author is but here is the web link:

spirithome.com/supernatural.html

 

[grannymh]

I found this interesting regarding spiritual and material realms.

To Christians, 'spiritual; refers to that which causes this world of ‘stuff’ or material to come alive, to move, to change or resist change, or to take action (even when the action taken is to choose not to take action). The spiritual realm is supernatural, an aspect of what underlies all that happens in the material world, including ourselves, including everyone else around us. The ‘material’ world is where the spiritual realm applies itself. This stuffly world is the meat and life-blood of the spiritual realm, and the spiritual is the life-force and thrust of the realm of substance. Thus, the two worlds are different angles of the same reality, not different or separate realities. The Kingdom that Jesus spoke of works in the same way: it came 2000 years ago when Jesus was born, it is here now through those who follow Him, and is coming in the future in its full form. The spiritual life (or soul-life) is lived in the material. And when it is completed, there will be no more mystery about how that can be.

PS. I’m not sure who the author is but here is the web link:

spirithome.com/supernatural.html

Yes, the above quote has some interesting unique information. Depending on how a person reads the above quoted section, one may see some serious opposition to general Catholic teachings.

Regarding spiritual and material realms, I am limited to general evolution knowledge and a bit of Aristotle and some common sense. Therefore, I am very interested in readers’ reactions when one takes a look at the website.

 

[grannymh]

I found this interesting regarding spiritual and material realms.

To Christians, 'spiritual; refers to that which causes this world of ‘stuff’ or material to come alive, to move, to change or resist change, or to take action (even when the action taken is to choose not to take action). The spiritual realm is supernatural, an aspect of what underlies all that happens in the material world, including ourselves, including everyone else around us. The ‘material’ world is where the spiritual realm applies itself. This stuffly world is the meat and life-blood of the spiritual realm, and the spiritual is the life-force and thrust of the realm of substance. Thus, the two worlds are different angles of the same reality, not different or separate realities. The Kingdom that Jesus spoke of works in the same way: it came 2000 years ago when Jesus was born, it is here now through those who follow Him, and is coming in the future in its full form. The spiritual life (or soul-life) is lived in the material. And when it is completed, there will be no more mystery about how that can be.

PS. I’m not sure who the author is but here is the web link:

spirithome.com/supernatural.html

Please. What in particular did you find interesting?

 

[simpleas]

Please. What in particular did you find interesting?

I thought it was explained well. I used to think of the spiritual realm as a separate realm, even though I’d say I was a spiritual person, I don’t think I understood what that should mean.

Being spiritual might mean different things to many people. I thought that being spiritual meant being at peace with the world and other people, if most of us were like that I’d hope this world would be a much peaceful place. But I suppose one can be a spiritual being while at ‘war’ with oneself, hopefully peace is achieved at some point.

 

[grannymh]

I thought it was explained well. I used to think of the spiritual realm as a separate realm, even though I’d say I was a spiritual person, I don’t think I understood what that should mean.

Being spiritual might mean different things to many people. I thought that being spiritual meant being at peace with the world and other people, if most of us were like that I’d hope this world would be a much peaceful place. But I suppose one can be a spiritual being while at ‘war’ with oneself, hopefully peace is achieved at some point.

Briefly, in Catholicism, there is a huge difference between a spiritual person and the spiritual world.

Apparently, there are people who do not completely understand the two very different and very separate worlds, spiritual and material. The lack of that knowledge has occasionally showed up in CAF discussions on evolution.

However, I never knew the serious problems of ignoring the real material world and the real spiritual world until I read post 221.

I am overwhelmed. I am not sure how to start a response.

 

[simpleas]

Originally Posted by grannymh

Humans, themselves, are in the spiritual realm.

Perhaps you could explain what you know this to mean? I believe realm means a kingdom, and so it would be referring to a place?

Humans aren’t in the spiritual realm I wouldn’t think.

Spiritual beings in the natural world making their way to the Spiritual realm, the Kingdom of God…?

Just thinking out loud…

 

[grannymh]

In my opinion, a good way to understand realm’s religious meaning is to use the tradition of the spiritual world and the material world. Here is an example based on Genesis 1: 27 in the True Creation Story…
**CCC 355 **“God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them.” Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is “in the image of God”; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created “male and female”; (IV) God established him in his friendship.

 

[grannymh]

Perhaps you could explain what you know this to mean? I believe realm means a kingdom, and so it would be referring to a place?

Humans aren’t in the spiritual realm I wouldn’t think.

Spiritual beings in the natural world making their way to the Spiritual realm, the Kingdom of God…?

Just thinking out loud…

We human persons are in the spiritual world because of Genesis 1: 27 and CCC 1730.

Genesis 1: 27
God created mankind in His image;
in the image of God He created them;
male and female* He created them.

CCC 1730
God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. “God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,’ so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.”

Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts.
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[grannymh]

Perhaps you could explain what you know this to mean? I believe realm means a kingdom, and so it would be referring to a place?

Humans aren’t in the spiritual realm I wouldn’t think.

Spiritual beings in the natural world making their way to the Spiritual realm, the Kingdom of God…?

Just thinking out loud…

The "natural world "can also be used as natural science in some geographic locations. Thus, it is best to stick to material world and spiritual world.

 

[simpleas]

In my opinion, a good way to understand realm’s religious meaning is to use the tradition of the spiritual world and the material world. Here is an example based on Genesis 1: 27 in the True Creation Story…
**CCC 355 **“God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them.” Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is “in the image of God”; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created “male and female”; (IV) God established him in his friendship.

We don’t live in the spiritual realm is what I mean.

Not sure what you mean as you didn’t answer my question

 

[simpleas]

The "natural world "can also be used as natural science in some geographic locations. Thus, it is best to stick to material world and spiritual world.

Natural world to me just means nature, not a deep scientific explanation…

I do think time would need to be spent on understanding spirit worlds and material worlds for me. Maybe in the future, for now I am :yawn:

 

[grannymh]

Perhaps you could explain what you know this to mean? I believe realm means a kingdom, and so it would be referring to a place?

My apology for missing the question.

First, because realm can be used in different meanings, it is easier to use the traditional material world and spiritual world. To answer your question “and so it would be referring to a place?” The answer is yes. The material world is a place and the spiritual world is a place.

 

[grannymh]

Natural world to me just means nature, not a deep scientific explanation…

I do think time would need to be spent on understanding spirit worlds and material worlds for me. Maybe in the future, for now I am :yawn:

Please note that I am not referring to a spirit world. I am referring to a spiritual world.