The True Story of Communion in the Hand Revealed

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Lucy_1 said:
In Europe, even with the pandemic they only allow reception on the tongue?!
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The same is done in the United States, right now in every Eastern Catholic Parish, every TLM parish, every Eastern Orthodox parish, every Oriental Orthodox Parish, every Assyrian Church of the East Church.
 
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CathBoy1 said:
Thus it is wrong for any bishop to try to suppress COTT even during a pandemic, bishops don’t even have that authority They can only make strong recommendations as COTT is the norm and bishops do not have the authority to change the norm for any reason whatsoever.
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That is in normal circumstances. A global health crisis is a different story. I would have thought you would realise that.
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
“When permitted, the choice as to the form of reception falls upon the communicant and not upon the priest. However, since it is a permission, it does not generate an absolute right, and the pastors can rescind the permission, either generally or in particular circumstances if objective motives exist for doing so.”
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No they can’t. The GIRM governs what takes place at Mass and how to receive is at the discretion of the communicant, not the priest, not the EMHC, not the bishop.
 
Oh I realize that there is a health emergency, I also fully realize it still doesn’t change the fact that they’re not allowed to suppress communion on the tongue, they can recommend highly against it, but they cannot nor should they try to repress it, it is out of their reach, it is not in their authority.

Furthermore communion on the tongue can be safely received even during a pandemic let us look at our Eastern Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox brethren and we can clearly see that it can be safely done.
Lucy_1 said:
Yeah, but I’m talking about the Roman rite in Europe.
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TLM is Roman Rite, and they only allow communion on the tongue and they are giving communion on the tongue right now during the pandemic in Europe in the USA and all throughout the world.
 
CathBoy1 said:
TLM is Roman Rite, and they only allow communion on the tongue and they are giving communion on the tongue right now during the pandemic in Europe in the USA and all throughout the world.
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OK. To be more specific, I’m talking about the Novus Ordo in Europe presently, and other places where they haven’t previously had an indult for cith. Are they currently receiving cith during the pandemic?
 
CathBoy1 said:
TLM is Roman Rite, and they only allow communion on the tongue and they are giving communion on the tongue right now during the pandemic in Europe in the USA and all throughout the world.
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That is not correct. Here the Philippines is a Catholic country and during the covid-19 crisis receiving on the tongue is not permitted. Everyone must receive in the hand.
 
There are traditional Novus Ordo Masses in the USA right now that only permit communion on the tongue, for example:

https://stmarypinebluff.com/

Also Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston comes to mind, which is Roman Rite, although it is a part of the Ordinariate.

The Ordinariate Church Our Lady of Atonement in San Antonio Texas has a Novus Ordo mass every Sunday at 6 PM and they only allow for communion on the tongue.

All above only offer communion on the tongue even now during the pandemic.
Montrose said:
That is not correct. Here the Philippines is a Catholic country and during the covid-19 crisis receiving on the tongue is not permitted. Everyone must receive in the hand.
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And are they doing this at TLM?
How about at Eastern Catholic Churches?
 
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CathBoy1 said:
How about at Eastern Catholic Churches?
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The Maronites in the U.S. are currently encouraging folks to receive in the hand, but I don’t know that it’s a requirement. At my parish, those who want to receive in the hand are asked to approach first, the rest of us approach afterward.
 
That’s nice. My question was about Europe and places where they haven’t had an indult. Anyway, it doesn’t matter, I was just curious what’s going on over there.
 
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Montrose said:
That is not correct. Here the Philippines is a Catholic country and during the covid-19 crisis receiving on the tongue is not permitted. Everyone must receive in the hand.
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Here is an SSPX church in the Philippines that currently seems to allow for communion on the tongue:

Our Lady of Victories Church
Catholic church in Quezon City, Philippines
Phillip_Rolfes said:
The Maronites in the U.S. are currently encouraging folks to receive in the hand, but I don’t know that it’s a requirement. At my parish, those who want to receive in the hand are asked to approach first, the rest of us approach afterward.
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Interesting I have never been to a Maronite church that had allowed for communion in the hand, however I admit that I have not been to a Maronite church since the pandemic…

… however I have been to both Byzantine Catholic and Melkite Catholic Churches and the workaround seems to be using individual wooden spoons that are properly disposed of afterwards…

…although Maronites have historically been closer liturgically to Western Catholicism, The Maronite church has been called the most Western of the Eastern Catholic churches.
 
CathBoy1 said:
Interesting I have never been to a Maronite church that had allowed for communion in the hand, however I admit that I have not been to a Maronite church since the pandemic…

… however I have been to both Byzantine Catholic and Melkite Catholic Churches and the workaround seems to be using individual wooden spoons that are properly disposed of afterwards…

…although Maronites have historically been closer liturgically to Western Catholicism, The Maronite church has been called the most Western of the Eastern Catholic churches.
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It’s only an exception because of the pandemic… although I’ve heard rumblings that there are folks pushing to make it a permanent change. I hope this doesn’t happen because I prefer to receive by intinction because of the symbolism. Changing to Communion in the hand for everyone would make this impossible.

Interesting that the Byzantines and Melkites (who are also Byzantine) are using wooden spoons. I’ve always read that any vessle used for the Eucharist had to be made out of a precious metal in part because it’s non-porous and none of the Eucharistic species would be absorbed that way. My concern with wooden spoons is that such absorption would take place, and then to just throw them away…

The Maronites are, sadly, quite Latinized in many ways. But I’m hopeful that there is a growing number who are seeking to return to our spiritual (Syriac) roots (God willing, myself among them). 😉
 
Lucy_1 said:
That’s nice. My question was about Europe and places where they haven’t had an indult. Anyway, it doesn’t matter, I was just curious what’s going on over there.
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Well I suppose my answers haven’t directly answered your question, but they were directly related to what you were asking, point being that there are plenty of Catholic churches that are allowing communion on the tongue only during the pandemic.
 
Phillip_Rolfes said:
Interesting that the Byzantines and Melkites (who are also Byzantine) are using wooden spoons. I’ve always read that any vessle used for the Eucharist had to be made out of a precious metal in part because it’s non-porous and none of the Eucharistic species would be absorbed that way. My concern with wooden spoons is that such absorption would take place, and then to just throw them away…
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The wooden spoons are then burned, the proper way to dispose of Sacramentals.
It would be a shame if they were simply thrown out.
Phillip_Rolfes said:
The Maronites are, sadly, quite Latinized in many ways. But I’m hopeful that there is a growing number who are seeking to return to our spiritual (Syriac) roots (God willing, myself among them). 😉
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I am too👍
Hopefully the Latinizations are (eventually) removed.
 
Lucy_1 said:
In Europe, even with the pandemic they only allow reception on the tongue?!
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With pandemic it’s different. Outside that, there is no reception in the hand.
Montrose said:
That is not correct. Here the Philippines is a Catholic country and during the covid-19 crisis receiving on the tongue is not permitted. Everyone must receive in the hand.
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Actually according to canon law Bishops do not have the authority to forbid reception on the tongue. In my country it is allowed but people who want to receive that way must stand in the back and come last.
 
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Phillip_Rolfes said:
The Maronites are, sadly, quite Latinized in many ways. But I’m hopeful that there is a growing number who are seeking to return to our spiritual (Syriac) roots (God willing, myself among them). 😉
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I never understood why Maronites would have latinizations. There is some logic with other Churches where they went Schismatic for a while and fact Church is infallible does not extend to them- so there may be heretical developments in their practices over the centuries (on paper, and that still doesn’t call for latinizations but for re-examination). Maronites however were always fully Catholic and never in Schism so Infallibility of Church always extended to them.
 
Here’s another good article. If people are going to say “Oh LifeSite! Who reads that!? Blah blah” please don’t bother to comment.

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But what about the famous passage from St. Cyril of Jerusalem’s Mystagogical Catecheses , used again and again to persuade Catholics that Communion in the hand is an ancient practice legitimately restored by the Church after the Second Vatican Council?
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It is significant that the Eucharist, laid on the right hand, is not then received by means of the less-valued left hand, but rather directly by the mouth. What appears at first glance to be communion in the hand reveals itself on closer examination to be communion in the mouth, with the right hand serving as a sort of paten. Bishop Cyril’s description shows that the attitude of the communicant is, then, not one of taking and capturing, but rather of reverent and humble reception, accompanied by a sign of adoration.
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…Bishop Athanasius Schneider — who, like Fiedrowicz, is a specialist in Patrology — goes into greater detail about the ancient ritual:
[T]he practice had a different form in ancient times than it does today: the Holy Eucharist was received on the palm of the right hand and the faithful were not allowed to touch the Holy Host with their fingers, but they had to bow down their head to the palm of the hand and take the Sacrament directly with their mouth, thus, in a position of a profound bow and not standing upright. The common practice today is to receive the Eucharist standing upright, taking it with the left hand. This is something which, symbolically, the Church Fathers would find horrific — how can the Holy of Holies be taken with the left hand? Then, today the faithful take and touch the Host directly with their fingers and then put the Host in the mouth: this gesture has never been known in the entire history of the Catholic Church but was invented by Calvin — not even by Martin Luther. The Lutherans have typically received the Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue, although of course they do not have the Real Presence because they do not have a valid priesthood. The Calvinists and other Protestant free churches, who do not believe at all in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, invented a rite which is void of almost all gestures of sacredness and of exterior adoration, i.e., receiving “Communion” standing upright, and touching the bread “host” with their fingers and putting it in their mouth in the way people treat ordinary bread. …

For them, this was just a symbol, so their exterior behavior towards Communion was similar to behavior towards a symbol. During the Second Vatican Council, Catholic Modernists — especially in the Netherlands — took this Calvinist Communion rite and wrongly attributed it to the Early
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We have Latinizations because the majority of our oldest liturgical books were burnt by the Crusaders who suspected us of being Messalians or Monophysites (one or the other… or both). An unfortunate consequence of our long union with Rome is that we’ve become infatuated with the Roman approach to theology (and liturgy for that matter), particularly the scholastic approach, and have abandoned our own theologians. It’s a long story for another thread.
 
The misuse of St. Cyril has been addressed early through articles by David Armstrong linked above. Armstrong’s articles have the added advantage of also quoting from St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine, and (I believe) St. Basil.
 
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