The Truth About God

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SpiritualSon:
According to the writings of Swedenborg the word woman in the Word means church.
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so, J spoke to the samaritan church at the well, stopped a group from stoning the church for its sin, while Paul said the church should keep its head covered and be quiet when it goes into itself?
If authority was given to the Catholic Church than how come the Bishops and Priests not doing any miracles in the name of Jesus Christ?
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although this has been well responded to already, i just wondered if cnn or foxnews was expected to do a report soon on the vast array of miraculous activity going on at new church?
…his spiritual body is nothing else than his affection in human form, such a form it appears after death. An angel if good. A devil if evil
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dude, i am not going to become an angel; i am already so much more than an angel. i was made in the image and likeness of my God, the angels were not. regardless of what your pope says. (a devil is a bad angel, by the way.)

from your posts it appears that mr swedenborg found that tree in the middle of the garden, ate of its fruit had his eyes opened and now he understands like God Himself. too bad you can’t see what is so clear to us…that your pope, mr swedenborg, is theologically nekked. this, of course, is true of all gnostics who think that knowledge will set them free, which is no truer than ‘work will make you free’. as J said, it is ***His *truth which will free us.

also, if things are as you say, that for some 1700 years Daddy let us spead error, and thus eternal death, before deciding to finally reveal his truth to some guy in sweden, then He’s a complete jerk!! (although i could come up with stronger expressions). if you really think what you claim, you are advising folks to accept a jerk for their god. why do you want to follow a jerk and encourage others to do so as well?

thanks for listening, love and peace, terry
 
James Kanatous:
Your assertion is overly esoteric, to say the least. Nonetheless, of course religious doctrine asserts that there is a God, however, the contradiction is that it cannot tell you what God is nor can it affirm that God exists, since it presumes God to be a supernatural being, which by it’s very nature cannot be known to us because of the fact that we cannot conceive of anything supernatural nor metaphysically incorporeal. Accordingly, scripture is entirely fallacious, for it asserts that there is God, while indirectly admitting that the nature, and existence, of God cannot be known.

Here is a quote from the protestant theologian, Paul Tillich,

". . . the question of the existence of God can be neither asked nor answered. If asked, it is a question about that which by its very nature is above existence, and therefore the answer–whether negative or affirmative–implicitly denies the nature of God. It is as atheistic to affirm the existence of God as it is to deny it. God is being-itself, not a being."

Oh my… where to begin? I don’t think the problem is with “presuming God to be a supernatural being.” The problem is with presuming humanity to be entirely material… and therefore left totally in the dark with respect to supernatural matters.

For example: “which by it’s very nature cannot be known to us because of the fact that we cannot conceive of anything supernatural nor metaphysically incorporeal.”

Pardon me, but this contradicts even the language used to make the statement.

If we can’t conceive of such things… then where did the *concepts *“supernatural” and “metaphysically incorporeal” even come from? Even a casual acquaintance with humanity shows that we are hard-wired to rise above the merely material.

Our history proves it. The human mind can, and does, know God - even if incompletely - through a careful study of His creation.

I find Mr. Tillich to be not only overly esoteric, but just plain silly.

For example: *“The question of the existence of God can be neither asked nor answered.” *Tell that to Socrates. Tell that to the billions of average human beings (present day and past), who both ask about the existence of God, and answer with a solid “Yes!”

The other problem is an implied insistance that humanity must know God completely, in order to know Him at all. This presumption also fails the reality check. We can’t even know other human beings completely… this doesn’t mean we go about denying their existence, or our ability to get to know them better, or throw up our hands in defeat over the entire question of whether they exist.

We are not merely material creatures… we are also endowed with a soul. In ourselves, we bridge the realms of matter and spirit. In some ways, we are neither “fish nor fowl.” So while I agree that, left unaided, we would have an incomplete understanding of God, it is folly to suggest (in the face of overwhelming historical evidence to the contrary) that humanity is incapable of asking about God’s existence or reaching reasonable (if incomplete) answers about His Nature.

So natural philosophy (and mathematics) offers quite a number of clues as to the nature of God - beginning with “The Creator, Who is Himself Uncreated.”

Fortunately, we are not left unaided, and God Himself provides revelation about His nature to us through the Catholic Church. Catholicism picks up where natural philosophy leaves off, and provides an excellent answer as to what God is - pages and pages and pages of it (see: “The Holy Bible”; “The Catechism of the Catholic Church”; and the writings of the Church Fathers). But the shortest answer is: “God is Love.”
 
I am back.I will explain the Human of Jehovah God. Jehovah God did not make it easly for Himself by making His Human Divine at birth.

**When the Lord was in the world He fought against the hells, and conquered and subdued them, and so reduced them to obedience, is evident from many passages in the Word.This He done by His Human self.The Divine in Him called the Father could not be tempted. By the Human the Lord suffered temptations. The passion of the cross was His last,but the cross was not redemption. Redemption was to fight against hell,and reduced them to obedience.The passion of the cross was to glorified His Human and unit it with the Divine in Him called the Father. To glorify,means to make Divine. The Lord’s Human was not Divine at birth.

Why was He suffering and praying in the garden, and saying from the cross "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me, if His Human from was Divine from birth?

Harry
 
The Lord made His Human Divine by means of temptations admitted into Himself, and by means of continual victories in them. Temptations are nothing but combats against evils and falsities; and as evils and falsities are from hell, temptations are combats against hell. Moreover with the men who are undergoing spiritual temptations, there are present evil spirits from hell, who bring on the temptations.

This is the reason why man is drawn out of hell and elevated into heaven when from the Lord he conquers in temptations.This is why man becomes spiritual, and therefore an angel, by means of temptations, or combats against evils. The Lord, however, fought from His own power against all the hells, and completely mastered and subjugated them.At the same time He glorified His Human, by making it Divine and uniting it with the Divine in Himself called the Father. The Lord was God in the Divine nature and in Human nature.

Harry
 
Harry (a.k.a. SpiritualSon), you said

*This is the reason why man is drawn out of hell and elevated into heaven when from the Lord he conquers in temptations.This is why man becomes spiritual, and therefore an angel, by means of temptations, or combats against evils. *

Catholic teaching clearly states that man and angel are two distinct creations, hence they are not to be confused with one another.

In addition, you said:

The Lord, however, fought from His own power against all the hells, and completely mastered and subjugated them.At the same time He glorified His Human, by making it Divine and uniting it with the Divine in Himself called the Father. The Lord was God in the Divine nature and in Human nature.

Since you are referring to Christ’s natures, let me emphasize that human nature cannot be raised to the status of Divinity or Godhood, just because the eternal Word assumed such a nature, lest it cease to be human at all.

Catholics confess that in Christ there are two distinct natures united in the one person of the Word. Christ assumed human nature but in the process it does not mean that the human nature he assumed ceased to be human nature and elevated to a more lofty state, but rather, humanity existed alonside divinity in the one person of Christ.

When Christ walked, or slept or preached, it was the God-man who did this. He could lift a heavy load either by simply commanding it to rise, or through the efforts of pure human muscle. He wept for a dead man, yet He also raised that man back to life.

You see, he never lost the Human nature He had assumed, even though his body was glorified. Even after the Resurection, Jesus asked His disciples for something to eat. He showed He wasn’t a disembodied spirit. He allowed a doubting Thomas to touch the wounds on His side and hands.

In another post you stated:

Why was He suffering and praying in the garden, and saying from the cross "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me, if His Human from was Divine from birth?

There is nothing anomalous here. It simply means that Christ’s human nature was manifesting itself, aware of His impending passion and death. Like any human, He can weep like what happened when Lazarus died. He can manifest anger when he drove out the peddlers from the Temple. He eats and rests with his disciples. Only in sin is He, as a human being above all of us.

Yet He calms the raging stoms with a simple command. He walks in the waters like no human can. He can raise the dead back to life by simply ordering the dead to rise up, doing so with such authority as though the very power to resurrect the dead came from Him and not from another.

Does it make you wonder why the greatest prophets of old always speaks of God in the second person (God commands, God says…) or that the Word of the Lord came upon so and so prophet… yet, on the other hand Jesus speaks as though He himself has power and authority (Verily I say unto you…).

The Agony in the Garden simply proves that Jesus had two natures united in His one Person.

Gerry
 
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RobedWithLight:
You misrepresent the writings of these councils. You even confuse the natures. Jesus’ human nature isn’t divine because a nature cannot be divine and human at the same time
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, just as when you combine red and yellow produces orange, which itself is neither red nor yellow anymore. All that the Church teaches is that the **second Divine Person assumed human nature, while retaining His eternal Divine nature. Christ [person] is human[nature] and divine [nature]. **There is no confusion in what the Church teaches in this score. One Divine Person, Two Natures !
Gerry

Gerry
That’s according to the Catholic Church, but it doesn’t make it true.

The Divine in Jesus Christ is the Father,and it is that which makes the Human Nature Divine.

**That the Lord made His Human Divine from the Divine in Himself called the Father, is evident from many passages of the Word, of which those shall be here adduced which confirm:
That this was done by successive steps:

Jesus grew and waxed strong in spirit and in wisdom, and the grace of God was upon Him (Luke 2:40).

Jesus increased in wisdom, in age, and in grace with God and men (verse 52).

That the Divine operated through the Human Nature, as the soul does through the body:

The Son can do nothing from Himself, but what He seeth the Father doing (John 5:19). This means the Human in the Lord cannot do nothing without the Divine in Him called the Father. The outer part cannot do anything without the inner. The Father is not a person by Himself tell the Son what to do, but the Son taken commands from the Divine in Himself Called the Father.

In order for the Lord to raise Himself on the third day, both His soul and body had to be Divine together, even to His Human Nature.The Divine in Himself called the Father had raise Him up in both soul and body.

The Lord Human Nature was not Divine birth, not until He accomplish all things. The Lord took on temptations unto Himself,and overcame hell.This was done by His Human Nature. By doing this He made His Human Nature Divine, and uniting it with the Divine in Himself Called the Father. Jesus Christ is God in soul and body.

Harry
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Harry,

IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, RETURN TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH!
PIO
 
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An angel told Swedenborg ‘You know what those who call themselves Evangelical believe, or should believe, about the Lord the Saviour. Recite some of their tenets, so that we can know whether they are so foolish as to believe that His Human is purely human, or whether they attribute any Divinity to it, and if so how.’

Then in front of the whole assembly I read out the following statements from the handbook of orthodoxy called ‘The Formula of Concord,’ published in Leipzig in 1756.

In Christ the Divine and the Human natures are so united as to make one Person. Christ is truly God and Man in one undivided Person, and remains so forever. In Christ God is Man and Man is God.

Christ’s human nature was raised to fully Divine majesty; this is also said by many of the Fathers.

Christ as to His human nature is omnipresent and fills all space.

Christ as to His human nature has all power in heaven and on earth.

Christ as to His human nature sits at the right hand of the Father.

Christ as to His human nature is to be invoked; this is proved by quotations from Scripture.

The ‘Confession of Augsburg’ gives the highest degree of approval to that mode of worship.

**when in fact He is God the Father in the Human, and therefore He is called: **The Father of eternity (Isa. 9:6)

And He said to Philip, He that seeth Me seeth the Father (John 14:7, 9).

Harry

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SpiritualSon:
No, I am a member of the New Church (Swedenborg). Harry
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I am unfamiliar with the New Church. Can you give us a brief history?
Thank you.

Yours In Christ
 
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An angel told Swedenborg ‘You know what those who call themselves Evangelical believe, or should believe, about the Lord the Saviour. Recite some of their tenets, so that we can know whether they are so foolish as to believe that His Human is purely human, or whether they attribute any Divinity to it, and if so how.’

Then in front of the whole assembly I read out the following statements from the handbook of orthodoxy called ‘The Formula of Concord,’ published in Leipzig in 1756.

In Christ the Divine and the Human natures are so united as to make one Person. Christ is truly God and Man in one undivided Person, and remains so forever. In Christ God is Man and Man is God.

Christ’s human nature was raised to fully Divine majesty; this is also said by many of the Fathers.

Christ as to His human nature is omnipresent and fills all space.

Christ as to His human nature has all power in heaven and on earth.

Christ as to His human nature sits at the right hand of the Father.

Christ as to His human nature is to be invoked; this is proved by quotations from Scripture.

The ‘Confession of Augsburg’ gives the highest degree of approval to that mode of worship.

**when in fact He is God the Father in the Human, and therefore He is called: **The Father of eternity (Isa. 9:6)

And He said to Philip, He that seeth Me seeth the Father (John 14:7, 9).

Harry
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Scripture clearly says that even if an angel comes down from heaven to preach a doctrine different from what Christ preached and handed down, he should not be believed.

Gerry 🙂
 
**There came a centurion to the Lord, saying, Lord, I am not worthy that Thou shouldst come under my roof; but say the word only, and my servantshall be healed. Jesus hearing, marveled and said to them that followed Him, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith in Israel. And He said unto the centurion, Go thy way, and as thou hast believed be it done unto thee; and his boy was healed in that hour (8:8, 10, 13).

The Lord healed this person and others according to their faith, because the first and primary thing of the church then to be established was to believe that the Lord is Jehovah God , for without that faith no church could have been established. For the Lord was the God of heaven and the God of earth, with whom no conjunction is possible except by an acknowledgment of His Divinity, which acknowledgment is faith. The centurion evidently acknowledged the Lord to be Jehovah God, for he said, “I am not worthy that Thou shouldst come under my roof; but say the word only, and my servantshall be healed.”

A woman afflicted with an issue of blood touched the hem of Jesus’ garment; for she said within herself, If I shall but touch His garment I shall be healed. Jesus turning and seeing her, said, Daughter be of good cheer, thy faith hath made thee whole; and she was healed in that hour (Matt. 9:20-22).

Why did the Lord called this woman daughter, if He was not the Father?

This faith was, that the Lord was the Father, because He was able to do miracles of Himself. For this reason He also allowed Himself to be worshiped, which was not the case with the prophets of the Old Testament, who were not worshiped.

But there must always be this historical faith before it becomes a saving faith.For a historical faith becomes a saving faith with man by his learning truths from the Word, and living according to them.
A woman of Canaan, whose daughter was vexed by a demon, came and worshiped Jesus, saying, Lord, help me. Jesus said unto her, Great is thy faith; be it done unto thee as thou wilt; and her daughter was healed (Matt. 15:22-28).

Jesus finding the man born blind whom He healed, said unto him, Believest thou, then, on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I may believe on Him? He said unto him, Thou hast both seen Him and He it is that speaketh with thee. He said, Lord, I believe; and he worshiped Him (John 9:35-38).

In Luke:

Jesus said to the ruler of the synagogue, whose daughter was dead, Fear not, only believe, and she shall be made whole; and the daughter was raised up again (8:50, 55).

In the same:

Jesus said to the blind man, Thy faith hath saved thee; and immediately he was able to see (Luke 18:42, 43).

In Mark:

Jesus said to the disciples, when they were unable to heal a certain man’s son* who had a dumb spirit; to whom Jesus said, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth; the father of the boy crying out with tears, said, Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief; and he was healed (9:17, 23, 24).

There were three reasons why faith in the Lord healed these; first, because they acknowledged His Divine Omnipotence, and that He was Jehovah God.

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Secondly, because faith is acknowledgment, and from acknowledgment intuition; and all intuition from acknowledgment makes another to be present; this is a common thing in the spiritual world.

So now, when a New Church was to be established by the Lord, it was this intuition from an acknowledgment of the Lord’s Omnipotence from which they were first to look to the Lord; and from this it is clear what is here meant by faith.

The third reason was, that all the diseases healed by the Lord represented and thus signified the spiritual diseases that correspond to these natural diseases. Spiritual diseases can be healed only by the Lord, and in fact by looking to His Divine Omnipotence and by repentance of life.

This is why He sometimes said, “Thy sins are forgiven thee; go and sin no more.” This faith also was represented and signified by their miraculous faith; but the faith by which spiritual diseases are healed by the Lord can be given only through truths from the Word and a life according to them; the truths themselves and the life itself according to them make the quality of the faith.

From this it is clear that it was faith in the Lord’s omnipotence that healed them, and that the same faith remitted, that is, removed, sins. The reason of this was that this woman not only had faith in the Divine omnipotence of the Lord, but also loved Him, for she kissed His feet. Wherefore the Lord said, “Thy sins are forgiven thee, thy faith hath saved thee,” because faith makes the Divine of the Lord to be present, and love conjoins. It is possible, however, for the Lord to be present and not be conjoined; from which it is evident that it is faith from love that saves.

Jesus said to the disciples in the boat, Why are ye fearful, O ye men of little faith? Then He arose and rebuked the wind and the sea, and there came a great calm (Matt. 8:26; Mark 4:39-41; Luke 8:24,25).

Peter, at the Lord’s command, went down out of the boat and walked upon the waters; but when the wind became strong he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus took hold of his hand and said, O man of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt (Matt.14:28-31).

When the disciples could not heal the lunatic, Jesus said unto them, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? and Jesus healed him; and He said to the disciples that they could not heal him by reason of their unbelief (Matt. 17:14, seq.).

Jesus came into His own country, and there they were offended in Him; and Jesus said, A prophet is not without honor save in his own country and in his own house. And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief (Matt. 13:57, 58).

The Lord called the disciples “men of little faith” when they were unable to do miracles in His name, and He was unable to do miracles in His own country because of their unbelief, for the reason that while the disciples believed the Lord to be the Messiah or Christ, also the Son of God, and the prophet of whom it was written in the Word, yet they did not believe that He was the Father, and yet so far as they believed Him to be a man, and not at the same time Jehovah God, His Divine to which omnipotence belongs could not be present with the disciples by faith.

For faith presents the Lord as present, as has been said above; but faith in Him as a man only does not present His Divine omnipotence as present.

For the same reason those in the world at the present day who look to His Human alone and not at the same time to His Divine, as the Socinians and Arians do, cannot be saved.

Harryhttp://www.praize.com/members/images/forums/emoticons/51.gif
 
An angel told Swedenborg ‘You know what those who call themselves Evangelical believe, or should believe, about the Lord the Saviour. Recite some of their tenets, so that we can know whether they are so foolish as to believe that His Human is purely human, or whether they attribute any Divinity to it, and if so how.’
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And I tell you this: This angel is so clever to tell Swedenborg and twist the truth about the nature of Christ the Lord and Swedenborg is so foolish to believe this angel without proper discernment. Remember how this same Serpent talked to Adam and Eve and decieved them? And how the Devil tempt Christ in the desert quoting Scripture passages? Discern this! This is what St. Paul has warned us before: that even if an angel preach a Gospel different from what has been handed down–that angel is not to be believed!

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Christ’s human nature was raised to fully Divine majesty; this is also said by many of the Fathers.

Will you quote what the early Fathers tell us. You’re claiming “many”, just qoute even one to prove your point.
Christ as to His human nature is omnipresent and fills all space.
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:nope: You’re totally confused, brother. His Divine nature fills all space not His Human nature.
Christ as to His human nature sits at the right hand of the Father.
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Is Christ having multiplicity here? You are saying that Christ and the Father’s person are one, so how can He be seated at the right hand? Who’s on the left, then?
The ‘Confession of Augsburg’ gives the highest degree of approval to that mode of worship.
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As Catholics, we don’t believe in any other confession. So don’t jumble Catholic doctrine with Protestants’.
when in fact He is God the Father in the Human, and therefore He is called: The Father of eternity (Isa. 9:6)
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That particular verse is not to be confused to the person of God the Father. Have you read the other Psalms? The Father said to the Son: “Sit at my right hand till I put your enemies under your footstool”? Is the Father speaking to Himself?:confused: The Father is speaking to the Son! And who came down from heaven? Does the Bible says it’s the Father that came down from heaven? Brother, read the Gospels with prayer from the Holy Spirit to enlighten you!
And He said to Philip, He that seeth Me seeth the Father (John 14:7, 9).
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Because Jesus is the very imprint of God! Remember there is only ONE GOD, in THREE DIVINE PERSONS.

You’re totally confused, brother. I’m praying that the angel hovering around you will be chained by St. Michael Archangel!

Pio

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For the same reason those in the world at the present day who look to His Human alone and not at the same time to His Divine, as the Socinians and Arians do, cannot be saved.
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So now brother, sad to say, that you want to follow the lot of those that were condemned by the Church long time ago. May God have mercy on your soul.

Pio
 
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hlgomez:
So now brother, sad to say, that you want to follow the lot of those that were condemned by the Church long time ago. May God have mercy on your soul.

Pio
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The post I make about men of little faith points the Catholic Church. Like the Disciples they believed the Lord was the Son of God, but they didn’t understand that the Son of God means Jehovah God the Father in the Human, And the Word was made flesh.

When the Disciples began to understand the Son of God being the Father in the Human,and the Father and Son are one Person, they were able to do miracles in His name. For faith presents the Lord as present in the person who believes.Faith in the Lord as a man only, does not present His Divine Omnipotence as present.

Harry
 
A woman afflicted with an issue of blood touched the hem of Jesus’ garment; for she said within herself, If I shall but touch His garment I shall be healed. Jesus turning and seeing her, said, Daughter be of good cheer, thy faith hath made thee whole; and she was healed in that hour (Matt. 9:20-22).

Why did the Lord called this woman daughter, if He wasn’t the Father? Was the Lord younger than the woman or was the woman older than Him. Why did the Lord called the woman daughter?
Harry
 
Why did the Lord called this woman daughter, if He wasn’t the Father? Was the Lord younger than the woman or was the woman older than Him. Why did the Lord called the woman daughter?
Harry
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:confused: Why not go further down with your question. Why did the Lord Jesus called Mary his mother “Woman”? Is Mary not his mother? Why not call her “Mother?”
But why (again) in other verses did Jesus called the disciples his “friends” and “brothers” and others “sisters” and “mother” (those who do the will of the Father)? Are they his direct brothers or sisters or mothers? If He is the Father, why would he calls them that?

Pio
 
I am in total amazment of what you (Harry) are posting here!
This sounds like the ramblings of someone on some serious stuff!
I know you got this another man, but come to your senses! Snap out of it!! You really don’t see how crazy this stuff is?
These teachings are way out of left field from some other paralell universe! Jesus said of those who cause others to fall into sin - that it would be better for a man to have a stone around his neck and drown! That’s what this man has done to you and many thousands of his followers. He has answered for that, I’m sure! You won’t “turn” anyone here. We are all too grounded in our faith. I wish I could say the same for you.

I feel sorry for you and will keep you in my prayers - I don’t know what else to say. The truth stares you in the face you just look right past it - it’s absolutely amazing! I really can’t believe that people really believe this stuff! smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_4_167.gif
 
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:confused: Why not go further down with your question. Why did the Lord Jesus called Mary his mother “Woman”? Is Mary not his mother? Why not call her “Mother?”
But why (again) in other verses did Jesus called the disciples his “friends” and “brothers” and others “sisters” and “mother” (those who do the will of the Father)? Are they his direct brothers or sisters or mothers? If He is the Father, why would he calls them that?

Pio
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What is meant by brother and sister, father and mother

My mother and my brethren are these, who hear the Word of God, and do it (Luke 8:21; Matt. 12:49; Mark 3:33-35).

By “mother,” is meant the church, and by “brethren,” those who are in charity; and because the good of charity is a “brother,” therefore the Lord calls those who are in it “brethren,” also in Matt. 25:40, and so also disciples (Matt. 28:10; John 20:17). But we do not read that the disciples called the Lord brother, because “brother” is the good which is from the Lord.

That a “woman” signifies the affection of truth, may appear from many passages in the Word.It is, that the church is called “a wife,” “a woman,” “a daughter,” and “a virgin,” and the church is a church from the love or affection of truth.From this comes the understanding of truth.

Honor thy father and thy mother. By “father and mother” a natural man understands his father and mother on earth, and all who stand in their place, and by to “honor” he understands to hold in honor and obey them.A spiritual angel understands the Lord by “father,” and the church by “mother,” and by to “honor” he understands to love and obey. A celestial angel understands the Lord’s Divine Love, which is His Soul, is meant by “father,” and His Divine Wisdom by “mother,” and by to “honor” to do what is good from him.

Harry
 
Harry,

This is another humble explanation of the truth about God:

We’ve been 2000 years in Christianity, and your interpretations do not align with the mind of the Church’s 2000 years of existence since the time of the apostles. Christ founded His Church, I say again—His church. And the gates of hell will not prevail against it. He promised that and to say otherwise contradicts what Christ had promised. In the Church is promised the Holy Spirit who will guide it into all truth, “and will declare to you the things that are coming" (John 16:13). That is, the Holy Spirit will lead the Church in understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom without deviating to what has been revealed by the Son. He will confirm the Son’s revelation to us and understand them more deeply.

Your theology (or where it came from?) is very strange and contradicts Scripture and Tradition. You interpret Scriptures your own way, not the leading of the Holy Spirit, that’s why you are so puzzled and cannot comprehend what is being said in the Scripture. I do recommend that you pray and repent of the grave sins that you have committed in the past so that the Holy Spirit can penetrate inside your heart.

The person of the Son is not the same with the person of the Father. Note the capital letter “S” and “F”. It refers to a person, just the way when we call somebody’s name and the name starts with a capital letter. Same thing apply to the persons of the Trinity–Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are different persons but One God. That’s one core doctrine of the Christian faith. The Father sent the Son into the world. Note the world “sent”, that means the Father sends and not the Son. It is not the Father himself that was sent. Otherwise you might read it like this, “the Father sent the Father (himself) into the world”—does this makes sense? Not a bit.

Jesus said, “the Father and I are one.” Does this mean that the Father is the same person as the Son? No. It means that the Father and the Son share the Godhead. They are one, for there is only one God. You will also notice when Jesus said that when a male and female gets married, “they’re no longer two but one flesh.” Are we then to say that both of them cease to become persons of male and female? Not a bit. They are one by virtue of the sacrament that binds them together, but still the person remains the same. God had joined them together into one.

Note also that the Son existed since the world began. Jesus said; “Now glorify me, Father, with you, with the glory that I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5)

The Son was with the Father (and the Holy Spirit) when they created the cosmos out of nothing. The Son is co-eternal with the Father and the Spirit. When the Son was baptized by John in the Jordan, the Father spoke from heaven and said “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” At the transfiguration, the Father again testified to the Son, “This is my chosen Son, listen to him.” It’s very obvious that somebody in heaven was speaking, that is–the Father. Obviously, He cannot be the same Father in the person of the Son. The Father is testifying to the Son, that’s why the testimony of the Son is true. Jesus said that even if he testifies for himself there is somebody who testifies in His behalf—the Father and the Spirit. “…it is written that the testimony of two men can be verified." (John 8:18)

“When the Advocate comes whom I will send 12 you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that proceeds from the Father, he will testify to me.” (John 15)

I hope this and other numerous explanations will enlighten you. Repent and believe in the Gospel!

Pio
 
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