The Truth about God

[KindredSoul]

Jesus says ask and you shall receive. Just because it doesn’t come upon your minds to ask that you not be born with sin, doesn’t mean that someone else can’t ask for it. You don’t make the rules on what you can and can’t ask for. With what measure I measure with, I will be given in measure. Just because I don’t measure as you do, does not mean that my measurement is invalid. Remain a sinner, I don’t care.

Very clever. Still, your wit with words will not work on God, The_heretic…you cannot back Him into an unorthodox, heretical corner He isn’t already prepared for merely by “asking” Him and thinking He cannot possibly refuse you.

In 1 John 1: 10, we are told “If we say ‘We have not sinned,’ we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.”

But, of more interest, more directly related to your post, is the following verse from James, 4: 3 - “You ask but do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.”

It seems that there was a qualifier on “Ask and you shall receive,” and here you have that qualifier plainly before you in scripture–one can possibly ask wrongly. Asking God to let you be born without sin is certainly a clever attempt (cloaked with false piety) to spend it “on your passions,” because it is to wish that every “passion” you ever have is okay, not sinful, so that you can pursue it at will instead of building up saintly discipline and working toward overcoming your passions. It is the lazy man’s way out, and spiritual laziness is a passion to itself.

You can remain a sinner blindly, who never admits he’s a sinner–I won’t say I don’t care, because I do, for your sake–but it won’t change the fact that you have asked wrongly, and have therefore not received what you requested.

 

[The_heretic]

Very clever. Still, your wit with words will not work on God, The_heretic…you cannot back Him into an unorthodox, heretical corner He isn’t already prepared for merely by “asking” Him and thinking He cannot possibly refuse you.

In 1 John 1: 10, we are told “If we say ‘We have not sinned,’ we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.”

But, of more interest, more directly related to your post, is the following verse from James, 4: 3 - “You ask but do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.”

It seems that there was a qualifier on “Ask and you shall receive,” and here you have that qualifier plainly before you in scripture–one can possibly ask wrongly. Asking God to let you be born without sin is certainly a clever attempt (cloaked with false piety) to spend it “on your passions,” because it is to wish that every “passion” you ever have is okay, not sinful, so that you can pursue it at will instead of building up saintly discipline and working toward overcoming your passions. It is the lazy man’s way out, and spiritual laziness is a passion to itself.

You can remain a sinner blindly, who never admits he’s a sinner–I won’t say I don’t care, because I do, for your sake–but it won’t change the fact that you have asked wrongly, and have therefore not received what you requested.

Who are you to say what I ask for is wrong? Are you God? How have I asked wrongly if it is what I want to better my life, to add stature to my soul? I’m not a sinner. What sin have I committed? Tell me. Just because you have accepted sin into your life doesn’t mean that I have to accept sin into my life.

 

[dessert]

Forgive me for what? I told you I was born without sin because I asked for it. Jesus says, ask and you shall receive. Knock and it shall be open to you. You can’t tell me what I can ask for and what I can’t. Remain a sinner, I don’t care. You think Jesus Christ is the only one that ever broke a net?

Yes you are right, the first truth about God that I have heard from you so far.
But I state my faith on Jesus, the second person in the Trinity with the Father and the Holy Spirit so if you claim Jesus as well to knock down that do you think Jesus would want to destroy Himself that he builds in us?
If you ask God to take away your sin I cannot argue with that and I will not quote so much scripture at you but the bits and pieces you also had of scripture and I’m sure you don’t have a bible in front of you like me so you must be writing as from memory. I like to use the bible because I want to get the statements correct but the precepts are also what we are trying to get across.
Maybe you felt like they were darts coming at you?
I can paraphrase it but I have to be accurate because the word of God, and I don’t like to use just bits and pieces, is a tradition and the RCC.
We were all born with sin as I have not personnally asked God to change anything in the past but If I could it would be that some people in our city did not get murdered which happened a couple weeks ago.
I could ask that adam never sinned thrn we woouldn’t even be hsving this discussion because there would be no evil in the world.
God did not give us a guilt complex he is here to bring healing.

 

[dessert]

Are you saying you asked Jesus for you to be born without sin, and that you don’t sin at all?

Kellie I think he is knocking at the door isn’t this marvelous?
He doesn’t want to have sin in his life and maybe in his heart this is just too fantastic! So what say you heretic?

 

[The_heretic]

Kellie I think he is knocking at the door isn’t this marvelous?
He doesn’t want to have sin in his life and maybe in his heart this is just too fantastic! So what say you heretic?

I don’t have sin in my life. Never did. I always had a good heart and stayed away from evil.

 

[Lion_of_Narnia]

God is pure Spirit. God is so perfect that he doesn’t have to exist…etc…, excised for brevity*.*

I’m afraid, I cannot make any sense of your statements–sort of “like lowering haystacks from the deck of the Lusitania” (and a big “no-prize” to the 1st person who correctly identifies the origin of that metaphor )

 

[dessert]

Jesus says ask and you shall receive. Just because it doesn’t come upon your minds to ask that you not be born with sin, doesn’t mean that someone else can’t ask for it. You don’t make the rules on what you can and can’t ask for. With what measure I measure with, I will be given in measure. Just because I don’t measure as you do, does not mean that my measurement is invalid. Remain a sinner, I don’t care.

Here I go again to make you mad.
"Judge not and you shall not be judged. Condemn not and you shall not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.
“Give and it will be given to you; good measure pressed down, shaken together, running over will be put into your bosom. For the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”

The governing thought is the correspondence between conduct towards one’s fellows and God’s conduct toward the one so acting. this is not a prohibition against recognizing the faults of others, but aginst passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance, forgetfull of one’s own faults. dessert

If you look back at my previous posts I have tried to see the bits and pieces of scripture you have stated and filled them in with the rest of the verses and kind of fullfilled the words not as mine but of the scripture .
You are stating the bible and words Jesus saysbut must think of the whole context for if you only take part of what Jesus says than that negates the rest,wouldn’t you agree?

 

[The_heretic]

So a perfect circle, for example, should look the same to me whether I am 10 feet or 2 feet away? Whether I am wearing my glasses?

Are we dealing with something that is perfect or the image of something that is perfect?

I don’t understand why it can not be possible to experience something perfect without understanding it perfectly.

no, an image of perfection should look perfect from whatever perspective you look at. Sure, it will look different from different perspectives but it will still appear perfect no matter what point you are looking at it.

 

[dessert]

I don’t have sin in my life. Never did. I always had a good heart and stayed away from evil.

So you have never done nothin wrong?
if a man say…he dec…I bet you can finish this.
Sorry I am not typing so fast and I need to got to work but have time for one more message seeing how we are both on lin.

 

[The_heretic]

Here I go again to make you mad.
"Judge not and you shall not be judged. Condemn not and you shall not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.
“Give and it will be given to you; good measure pressed down, shaken together, running over will be put into your bosom. For the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”

The governing thought is the correspondence between conduct towards one’s fellows and God’s conduct toward the one so acting. this is not a prohibition against recognizing the faults of others, but aginst passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance, forgetfull of one’s own faults. dessert

If you look back at my previous posts I have tried to see the bits and pieces of scripture you have stated and filled them in with the rest of the verses and kind of fullfilled the words not as mine but of the scripture .
You are stating the bible and words Jesus saysbut must think of the whole context for if you only take part of what Jesus says than that negates the rest,wouldn’t you agree?

you know not what I say when I say it. let me demonstrate for you:

The eye altering alters all. This preceding statement can be read in more than one finite perception. Do you see?
Of course not because you only see what is within your reason to see, interpreting the sentence as only one finite perception; but he who sees the infinite in all things sees God.
Here let me open the perception of that sentence.
The eye altering alters all.
Do you know how to alter your eye as you read? I told you before that every word is a door that is walked through in perception. With the hand of a master, I am able to hide things from you in plain view. Allow me to demonstrate what I am talking to you about in a little poem I wrote.

confused eyes seas
of oceanic decor
adore spring opens

rich summer wine drips
breaking of bread swim like fish
hopeful rhythm scene

night of falling leaf
spinning downwards on the ground
resting on the path

snow flake pearl of light
melt like water in fire sun
one spring to barren

The eye altering alters all.

confused eye sees
of oceanic decor
a door springs open

rich summer whine drips
breaking of bread swim like fish
hopeful rhythm seen

night of falling leave
spinning down words on the ground
resting on the path

snow flake pearl of light
melt like water in fire son
one spring to bare in

The eye altering alters all.

That is one finite perception; as I said, every word within a text is a doorway into a perception. Usually, whenever someone reads a text they come to a conclusive-finite perception of what the texts says; but in that, we fail to acknowledge that others come to different perceptions of the same text. Eventually, we could come to conclude that since others have different perceptions we should alter our perceptions to consider the infinite possibilities of perception because the man who never alters his opinion is like standing water and breeds reptiles of the mind.

You perceive me as being angry. but im not im as calm as water. I just know the words you will give power to.

 

[dessert]

no, an image of perfection should look perfect from whatever perspective you look at. Sure, it will look different from different perspectives but it will still appear perfect no matter what point you are looking at it.

Did you know there is no such thing scientifically as a perfect circle. If you brings the end together and use a microscope they do not meet. God is the only perfect in this universe.
There is no such thing as a staight line ither.
things appear as one thing but nt another so you want a verse for that toooo
tthhhis is deception things appear darkly because we acnnnot see clearly but as k God for more to seee clearlyyy

 

[dessert]

you know not what I say when I say it. let me demonstrate for you:

The eye altering alters all. This preceding statement can be read in more than one finite perception. Do you see?
Of course not because you only see what is within your reason to see, interpreting the sentence as only one finite perception; but he who sees the infinite in all things sees God.
Here let me open the perception of that sentence.
The eye altering alters all.
Do you know how to alter your eye as you read? I told you before that every word is a door that is walked through in perception. With the hand of a master, I am able to hide things from you in plain view. Allow me to demonstrate what I am talking to you about in a little poem I wrote.

confused eyes seas
of oceanic decor
adore spring opens

rich summer wine drips
breaking of bread swim like fish
hopeful rhythm scene

night of falling leaf
spinning downwards on the ground
resting on the path

snow flake pearl of light
melt like water in fire sun
one spring to barren

The eye altering alters all.

confused eye sees
of oceanic decor
a door springs open

rich summer whine drips
breaking of bread swim like fish
hopeful rhythm seen

night of falling leave
spinning down words on the ground
resting on the path

snow flake pearl of light
melt like water in fire son
one spring to bare in

The eye altering alters all.

That is one finite perception; as I said, every word within a text is a doorway into a perception. Usually, whenever someone reads a text they come to a conclusive-finite perception of what the texts says; but in that, we fail to acknowledge that others come to different perceptions of the same text. Eventually, we could come to conclude that since others have different perceptions we should alter our perceptions to consider the infinite possibilities of perception because the man who never alters his opinion is like standing water and breeds reptiles of the mind.

God said He stands at the door and knocks He is knocking you are doing the listening ask God to open your ears as well what a beautifull poem but also with ears we hear and not just our eye becaus ewht we se can be perceiveed as not right but listen with your heart . Oh hell I will be late so what but will have to speak later and listen with your ears and your heart and do not trust totally on your mind to understand all that is written because faith is believign in things we have not seen. correct? dessert

 

[dessert]

Lettttttt

GODDDD

STIR THE WATERRRRRRR

 

[The_heretic]

Did you know there is no such thing scientifically as a perfect circle. If you brings the end together and use a microscope they do not meet. God is the only perfect in this universe.
There is no such thing as a staight line ither.
things appear as one thing but nt another so you want a verse for that toooo
tthhhis is deception things appear darkly because we acnnnot see clearly but as k God for more to seee clearlyyy

That’s just word magic. Childs play. I was doing that when I was a kid. You can’t teach a man with the infinite perception to perceive things he has alreday perceived. The man who seas the infinite in oll things sees God. And I here with my ears. I word hear the of God. But no one else does. But merely in their own finite perception. I’m always altering my opinions because the man who doesn’t alter his opinions breeds reptiles of the mind.

 

[The_heretic]

Lettttttt

GODDDD

STIR THE WATERRRRRRR

I’ll tell you what, i’ll repent for my sins if it be not a curse because the man with the infinite perception has been baptized in flames. If it be a curse I’ll never repent. But if the sin be meat for my bones and stepping stones then, and only then, will I repent.

 

[Valke2]

I’ll tell you what, i’ll repent for my sins if it be not a curse because the man with the infinite perception has been baptized in flames. If it be a curse I’ll never repent. But if the sin be meat for my bones and stepping stones then, and only then, will I repent.

Exactly.

This is what we mean when we say, “no soap. radio.” It is all a matter of perspective vs. myopia.

 

[KindredSoul]

Who are you to say what I ask for is wrong? Are you God? How have I asked wrongly if it is what I want to better my life, to add stature to my soul? I’m not a sinner. What sin have I committed? Tell me.

Okay. Doubting that God exists, or seriously suggesting and even trying to convince others that anything is greater than the existing God, including non-existence, is a sin…it’s also sinful to suggest that if all people, including Satanists, Pagans, Atheists, etc., don’t think that God is perfect, He isn’t…

Wow, that was easy. I didn’t even have to leave the thread to prove that you’ve sinned just as surely as have the rest of us.

If you didn’t ask for something wrong, and God did indeed grant you your wish to have never ever sinned, then all your posts saying those sinful things should just sort of disappear. They shouldn’t be there, and no one here should have any memory whatsoever of them, because they didn’t happen. I think we all can agree that hasn’t happened. Nice try, though.

 

[dessert]

I was born without sin, I have asked this in the name of Jesus Christ, and whatever I ask for in his name so shall it be done, since I have believed, I have received, so that my joy shall be full. I have no need to confess or repent for anything since I was born without sin (and so wasn’t my wife). Take that bible basher. I’m destroying your faith.

In this statement it sounds like you are asking Jesus to remove your sin.
You are asking in the name of Jesus Christ so you are recognizing Him.
YOou are saying you believe in His name as the power to take away sin.
This is the message I get and it is a confession but I will have to check with my priest to see if it is a valid one as it appears to me to be (DAB) but not sure. You are somewhat confusing can you explain why you are trying to be this way?dessert

 

[dessert]

you know not what I say when I say it. let me demonstrate for you:

The eye altering alters all. This preceding statement can be read in more than one finite perception. Do you see?
Of course not because you only see what is within your reason to see, interpreting the sentence as only one finite perception; but he who sees the infinite in all things sees God.
Here let me open the perception of that sentence.
The eye altering alters all.
Do you know how to alter your eye as you read? I told you before that every word is a door that is walked through in perception. With the hand of a master, I am able to hide things from you in plain view. Allow me to demonstrate what I am talking to you about in a little poem I wrote.

confused eyes seas
of oceanic decor
adore spring opens

rich summer wine drips
breaking of bread swim like fish
hopeful rhythm scene

night of falling leaf
spinning downwards on the ground
resting on the path

snow flake pearl of light
melt like water in fire sun
one spring to barren

The eye altering alters all.

confused eye sees
of oceanic decor
a door springs open

rich summer whine drips
breaking of bread swim like fish
hopeful rhythm seen

night of falling leave
spinning down words on the ground
resting on the path

snow flake pearl of light
melt like water in fire son
one spring to bare in

The eye altering alters all.

That is one finite perception; as I said, every word within a text is a doorway into a perception. Usually, whenever someone reads a text they come to a conclusive-finite perception of what the texts says; but in that, we fail to acknowledge that others come to different perceptions of the same text. Eventually, we could come to conclude that since others have different perceptions we should alter our perceptions to consider the infinite possibilities of perception because the man who never alters his opinion is like standing water and breeds reptiles of the mind.

You perceive me as being angry. but im not im as calm as water. I just know the words you will give power to.

I see the differences in the words so you like words so do I. You said a very mean thing to me if that is not anger I don’t know what you would qualify as anger just because we are on line doesn’t mean the tone of words can’t come across and words do have emotion .
Jesus uses the word healed or healing and forgiveness as interchangeable as I will look for verses for that later.
Yes the words sound the same but are spelled diff. in your poem.
Words can bring comfort, healing and forgiveness.
There are spirits behind words even though people capitalize the letters and it makes them sound angry but a threat in word form or you may say a curse as it sounded like you are trying to convey .
You must be of that mind that thinks sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me. Is this right / see I am running along with you on this OK? I’m aslo running out of room on this post. dessert

 

[dessert]

See I did a word play too! running

Can you see with your heart and feel with your ears?
Does your heart drip tears when you are full of fears?

Jesus came down to earth to take on the flesh of a man to share in our human nature.