The Truth About Islam

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spn82756 said:
Because I choose to. I have yet to see Staffsgt say ONE negative thing about Christianity!!! You on the other hand are a follower of a false prophet. You come here and ridicule Christianity as false.

Now…would you kindly give me a muslim blog site that will accept a Christian who is willing to ridicule the false religion of islam? If you do I will register and take the same attitude that you do. I will call islam the evil religion that it is on that blog.

Do you have the guts to do that?

Why do you come here. Trying to convert Christians is against forum rules. When you call Christianity a lie…you are obviously trying to lead Christians out of the one true faith.
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One negative thing about Christianity
Some of the worst things are old history and not going on now. I don’t know exactly what is going on in the Catholic Church or in Protestant denominations right now other than they are being persecuted by Muslims in Muslim lands. Muslims are not being persecuted in their lands.

I don’t find too much wrong with its teachings. That is the big difference between Islam and Christianity. I find a lot wrong with Islam’s teachings and its Prophet. I do not find anything wrong with the New Testament and Jesus Christ. Islam’s version of Jesus Christ is not even close to being correct as the New Testament portrays him so the Koran isn’t even believable in that regard.
 
planten wrote that there is nothing wrong with Sharia laws. Here from the “horse’s mouth” word for word:
From Umdat al-Salik, Englished as Reliance of the Traveller, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University in Cairo as conforming “to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community”:
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Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said as he was returning from jihad.
``We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad.’’
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The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to scholarly consensus (def: b7) is such Koranic verses as:
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-1- ``Fighting is prescribed for you’’ (Koran 2:216);
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-2- ``Slay them wherever you find them’’ (Koran 4:89);
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-3- ``Fight the idolators utterly’’ (Koran 9:36);
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and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari and Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:
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``I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah’’;
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and the hadith reported by Muslim,
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``To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.’'Details concerning jihad are found in the accounts of the military expeditions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), including his own martial forays and those on which he dispatched others. The former consist of the ones he personally attended, some twenty-seven (others say twenty-nine) of them. He fought in eight of them, and killed only one person with his noble hand, Ubayy ibn Khalaf, at the battle of Uhud. On the latter expeditions he sent others to fight, himself remaining at Medina, and these were forty-seven in number.) …]
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The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
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“Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9.29)
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staffsgt7 said:
Blame Islam only? I don’t understand the question as what are you accusing me of blaming? Being critical of it, is that what you mean? If so then tough I am not a Muslim and I will not abide by Islam’s laws. Even though Muslims think I must abide by them and the Sharia laws say that I can be killed for criticizing Islam those laws do not apply to me or any non-Muslim. **They are laws excusing murder. And that is one thing that is wrong with Sharia laws. **
And this is not a conspiracy against you. Who are ‘we Muslims’?
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You have crossed all bounds of decency in criticising Islam. That cannot be from a decent person. Whatever you are telling about Islam is all false. You want to bring us to the defensive. We will not defend or answer your false allegations. We will attack you as being an ignorant faithless person with a malafide agenda against Islam.

Otherwise we do not have any grudge against you. You should pursue your faithless life as a peaceful, non-accuser person. Your destination is Hell if you do not repent and return to God Almighty.
Most of Islam is the political side. There is no Islam without politics it did not advance because of its religious side but because of politics which was warring, deception, etc. Since the Koran diverts from religion when he tells his followers that killing for Allah is good and holy and they all must wage Jihad and even in the book of Sharia laws, pg 599 o.9, I quote:
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Islam is a completely non-political religion. It is all spiritual with least politics.
What Ahmadi would follow Sharia laws if they tell us they are peaceful? It would seem more logical to work towards changing Sharia laws. Nothing in Sharia laws tells me that there is any willingness to be tolerant or peaceful towards non-Muslims. towards me.
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I have to give a presentation and here is a little synopsis of what I tell others what Sharia laws are about:
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Are you a lawyer?? You have no faith. So you are faithless, lawless person lacking belief in Divinity. Nobody can compete with your false allegations. Your false statements are fuming, bad smelling, spreading far and wide. But they have no value because of you being an Atheist. That is bad enough for you. You are a Master of your own invented mistaken ideas.

I do not mind if catholics are very happy with you. But I am sure no Muslim will give any credit to your false propaganda. I know most Muslims (majority) are very peaceful persons and the religion Islam also teaches us to be peaceful.
 
spn82756 said:
Planten…no one requires you post or read here. So you muslims that are so tired of attacks on your false religion come here and read of your own accord! I have nothing against sharia law in sharia land. Applied to godless muslims only. Maybe you should have a sex change operation and look at things from a different perspective. 😃
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spn, you need not defend that Atheist any more unless you are one of his own kind. What any Catholic has to do with any Atheist?? We need more useful informative posts here about different religions. But Atheist has no faith, no religion. We do not need any (name removed by moderator)ut from an Atheist. What do you say??
 
staffsgt7 said:
One negative thing about Christianity
  • too many Popes allowed too many bad men posed as priests to carry on like thugs to convert people. The Inquistion is one such example - Pope John kissed a Koran
Some of the worst things are old history and not going on now. I don’t know exactly what is going on in the Catholic Church or in Protestant denominations right now other than they are being persecuted by Muslims in Muslim lands. Muslims are not being persecuted in their lands.

I don’t find too much wrong with its teachings. That is the big difference between Islam and Christianity. I find a lot wrong with Islam’s teachings and its Prophet. I do not find anything wrong with the New Testament and Jesus Christ. Islam’s version of Jesus Christ is not even close to being correct as the New Testament portrays him so the Koran isn’t even believable in that regard.
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You found a few bad things with Pope. Old hsitory is very important. You say, you (as a true Atheist), you do not find much wrong with (church) teachings. That may be good for the church being close to your beliefs. But you find much wrong with Islam. Thanks for that.

That is your own bad wishes which are haunting you. You need not find any bad things about others. Try to find some good things of Atheism.
 
planten said:
You have crossed all bounds of decency in criticising Islam. That cannot be from a decent person. Whatever you are telling about Islam is all false. You want to bring us to the defensive. We will not defend or answer your false allegations. We will attack you as being an ignorant faithless person with a malafide agenda against Islam.

Otherwise we do not have any grudge against you. You should pursue your faithless life as a peaceful, non-accuser person. Your destination is Hell if you do not repent and return to God Almighty.
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If this isn’t the most obvious excuse not to answer a question I’ve ever seen in my entire life, I don’t know what is. If he (or she) is spreading false truths about your faith, why don’t you provide the actual teaching instead of dodging the question and telling people that they are going to hell? Is that what Muhammad has taught you all to do? Dodge questions and tell people they are going to hell?!
 
planten said:
spn, you need not defend that Atheist any more unless you are one of his own kind. What any Catholic has to do with any Atheist?? We need more useful informative posts here about different religions. But Atheist has no faith, no religion. We do not need any (name removed by moderator)ut from an Atheist. What do you say??
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I think you’d be whistling a whole different tune if staffsgt7 was talking about Christianity or Judaism rather than Islam, why are Islamic people so defensive?
 
planten said:
I see that an anti-Muslim Atheist is working for the uplift and benefit of the Jews and the Christians. Do the Jews and the christians need the services of the Atheists??
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Hello there, please let me make my self clear that i have nothing against no one of colour or religion. My faith is mine. In regards to the muslims out there who post on arabic websites of their martirdom i find it repulsive that in this day and age Muslim countries do not take a stance against this disgusting behaviour of strapping a bomb to ones self and killing indescriminately!

Last year some time (i think) there was a yousng muslim that threw a grenade in a cairo market killing a group of french students! This was his way of protesting.

The problem that i have is that i see one or two like you that says how wrong it is to kill but when i see local paper from the arab world these vile beasts that kill are heros.

It is widely aknowledged now in the world that muslims are extremist. By that i mean they are willing to go and kill non combatents.

Again a twisted nigerian muslim that was caught trying to blow up a plane recently.
If the muslim countries realy belived what you are saying here on this christian forum then their actions would be voiced to condemn such actions! BUT THEY DO NOT

In todays events muslims are doing them selves a great diservice. It is sad.
The talk of respect that you speak of are only words. It is the actions that muslims do that go against what you say. The iranian president saying that he wants to wipe israel of the face of the world that make the rest of the world angry with this mad man.
 
zach_dunn said:
If this isn’t the most obvious excuse not to answer a question I’ve ever seen in my entire life, I don’t know what is. If he (or she) is spreading false truths about your faith, why don’t you provide the actual teaching instead of dodging the question and telling people that they are going to hell? Is that what Muhammad has taught you all to do? Dodge questions and tell people they are going to hell?!
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zach dunn, I have always answered questions. But here was no question. It was an unwarranted barrage against Islam. How many questions can be answered !!. There will be no end to those bad posts. That would put me on the defensive.

Answers can only be useful to sensible honest people. Not to any one with a bad agenda. You ask me a question. I will answer.
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(O.o) Hebrews 10:23
(> <) Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering.
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(O.o) St Francis of Assisi
(> <) Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.
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Yes, keep up hope and preach the gospel. You are welcome. But what gospel is the Atheist preaching?? I had some objections to those bad posts which I have conveyed to all friends.
 
zach_dunn said:
I think you’d be whistling a whole different tune if staffsgt7 was talking about Christianity or Judaism rather than Islam, why are Islamic people so defensive?
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Why will I do that?? Surely, I will not support any evil against any faith, Jews or Christians., specially if it is all false accusations.
 
andrewv33 said:
Hello there, please let me make my self clear that i have nothing against no one of colour or religion. My faith is mine. In regards to the muslims out there who post on arabic websites of their martirdom i find it repulsive that in this day and age Muslim countries do not take a stance against this disgusting behaviour of strapping a bomb to ones self and killing indescriminately!

Last year some time (i think) there was a yousng muslim that threw a grenade in a cairo market killing a group of french students! This was his way of protesting.

The problem that i have is that i see one or two like you that says how wrong it is to kill but when i see local paper from the arab world these vile beasts that kill are heros.

It is widely aknowledged now in the world that muslims are extremist. By that i mean they are willing to go and kill non combatents.

Again a twisted nigerian muslim that was caught trying to blow up a plane recently.
If the muslim countries realy belived what you are saying here on this christian forum then their actions would be voiced to condemn such actions! BUT THEY DO NOT
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The Muslism have done much damage to themselves by policy of Crusades ( Religous wars). The opinion now is slightly divided and more Muslims have come to understand the futility of their bloody operations. But it has now become rather political. The Muslims have to end all violence and the church has not to accuse and abuse Muhammad.

At present the church ( Or christians) are supporting the Jihadi Muslims that it is all according to Quran. That is not so. That is a rather providing indirect help to the violent Muslims.
In todays events muslims are doing them selves a great diservice. It is sad.
The talk of respect that you speak of are only words. It is the actions that muslims do that go against what you say. The iranian president saying that he wants to wipe israel of the face of the world that make the rest of the world angry with this mad man.
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That is true. I tell you that it was about 130 years ago that those ignorant Jihadi type Muslims were told that there was not to be any Jihad with weapons. That was the time of British rule in India. It was told to all Muslims by a new leader that any religious war was Haraam (Illegal, sin).

What was the result?? Those who taught against Jihad (Fighting) were called heretics and considered outside the pale of Islam. They were called British stooges. Even today they are abused and killed, about one highly qualified innocent person is killed per month in pakistan. The victims are Ahmadis. It is in the news. The killers have never been caught and punished.

Jihad was preached in India and Egypt ( 1925 to 1980). Special books were written giving lessons to poor Muslims about Jihad with sword. One famous Muslim leader of India / Pakistan went as far as accusing the prophet Muhammad of successful Jihad with sword to spread Islam. If you will explore that subject, you will find the answers to some of those problems…

Please note that I do not support any violence. But I am not any Muslim government.
 
planten said:
spn, you need not defend that Atheist any more unless you are one of his own kind. What any Catholic has to do with any Atheist?? We need more useful informative posts here about different religions. But Atheist has no faith, no religion. We do not need any (name removed by moderator)ut from an Atheist. What do you say??
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It does not take having faith to be able to evaluate the pros and cons of a particular religion.

This forum allows posts by ANYONE regardless of faith or lack of faith. Neither you or I have the authority to deny atheists the right to post here as long as they follow the rules. And to be honest…this is America where we are free to express our beliefs as long as the rules are followed. I personally support that right for anyone…including those that have no faith or are critical of my faith. Perhaps you should check my friends list.

Staffsgt has not attacked you personally…but is very critical of islam…as I am. You on the other hand have attacked him personally.
 
planten said:
zach dunn, I have always answered questions. But here was no question. It was an unwarranted barrage against Islam. How many questions can be answered !!. There will be no end to those bad posts. That would put me on the defensive.
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See, here you go again, “an unwarranted barrage against Islam”. Let me fill you in: it wasn’t. Do you have any idea how many people there are here being extremely critical of the Catholic faith? Thousands upon thousands upon thousands, and yet, I have not seen a single Catholic poster react they way you react. Why is it that no one can question Islam? Do you fear that by investigating more into Islam that you will realize that it is a false faith?
Answers can only be useful to sensible honest people. Not to any one with a bad agenda. You ask me a question. I will answer.
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I will ask you a question, then: Please show me a rebuttal to staffsgt7’s posts numbers 838 and the very last quotation in 834 about the Sharia laws permitting murder, give me the truth. And do not just post a link to a website.
Yes, keep up hope and preach the gospel. You are welcome. But what gospel is the Atheist preaching?? I had some objections to those bad posts which I have conveyed to all friends.
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Why do you hate Atheists so much?
 
planten said:
Re: The Truth About Islam
My reply re-reply to Maria…

Planten: We believed in a person (Muhammad) who said that he received messages from God and that he was a mere messenger of God.

Maria: Do you believe everyone who says they are a “messenger of God”? Just because they say so?

**Planten: It is the duty of every one to listen to the messengers. If any one says that he is a messenger of God, it is our duty to listen and obey, not to abuse him. He/she will be telling a lie or telling a truth. That is upto the claimant of messengership. Not our duty to ridicule him.

If he is a true messenger, his words will come true. He will progress. If he is a false person (imposter), his system will not prosper. Furthermore, the imposter will be punished by God in this world. The imposter will be killed. That is the Islamic teaching (Surat Al-Haaqah). See also same subject in Deut 18:20 please.**
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(Enlargement is for the benefit of those reading today without their microscopes. 😃 )

For anyone who didn’t see this, planten should be converting to Mormonism. It is his “duty” to listen to Joseph Smith as a messenger. If he is true “he will progress”. Mormonism has spread around the world - it must be true! :rolleyes: But wait, “the imposter will be killed”. I guess that leaves Joseph Smith out - but wait! I guess that leaves Muhammad out too!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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