The Truth About Islam

[friendship]

Thank you but I know the islamic history written by Muslims.I read your suggested verse,but now please explain Sura 9, one of the most offensive Surah in Koran.And about sin? As far i know the greatest sin is taking partner with allah, and Koran says that Christians and Jews have taken partners of Allah and it is the greatest sin according to Islam,so even you claim that Quran does not order to kill peoples who are not sinner,then I assumed,according to islam no non Muslim is free from sin!And Sheerk is the greatest sin against Allah!So don’t you think that Quran ordered to take action against all sinners?Actually according to Koran,all non muslims are committing the greatest sin!BTW,what is your stance about the apostates?You said that you love Christians, so do you love me or Sam_777 too?Did allah order you to love even apostates?We are apostates and you know the fate of apostates in Islamic countries if they are caught by muslims!And for the fear we even can’t reveal our religious faith in our own countries.What would be your personal prescription to us?same as other christians or something different?.

As your history books say Christians in 1099 killed men, women and children muslim in Jursalim, Is that means Christianity orders to kill women and children?

Quran never ordered to kill pepople and non-sin ones. It is the reality.

Quran says: Anyone who kills a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people(Quran5:32)

 

[friendship]

Any fighting Moses might’ve done was out of self defense. What did you expect him to do, sit there and do nothing when God told him to lead his people out of Egypt, and let belligerents he met along the way kill him? I mean I don’t know much about Moses as a warrior, I’ve only begun to read the book of Exodus.

He killed women and children as Jahoveh ordered him.(as Bible says)

 

[friendship]

My friend, these are authentic news,not lies.it is sometimes easy to make fool (by proclaiming authentic news as lies or by playing word games)peoples who do not know about the reality,but it is not easy to fool them who know the reality or who are the direct witness or victims of Islamic abuse in Muslims countries.

They are all lies and I confirm this reality in my posts.

 

[friendship]

It’s clear to me there is nothing good in Islam. It’s the single greatest retrograde force in the world today.

It’s clear that you are a intolerant liar. You say lies about Islam and after that you say there is nothing good in Islam. You are the enemy of reality.

 

[dzheremi]

Look my friend. I fsome one believe that Quran is a miracle, he’ll be a muslim. So every links Whitch try to confirm it’s miracle are islamic.

So, in other words, you have no proof, only your personal emotional feelings. “The Qur’an is true because I believe it is true”. So you are wasting your time and everybody else’s, too.

You know what I believe? I believe the Qur’an is a forgery from Satan, and the Islam is not the true religion, and that Muslims are all completely lost following their murderous, violent prophet straight to hell. Now, wouldn’t you have a problem with me presenting these views as fact, whether I attach the word “miracle” to them or not? After all, they are just what I believe, and I cannot find anyone who will agree with me unless they are not already convinced of this opinion themselves. This is essentially the same strength of your argument, if it can even be called an argument.

Quit wasting everyone’s time.

 

[friendship]

It is not important who is the writer, It is important that what is written. My answer to your Question is yes. Absolutly I’ll ask some question after that and they must answer me.

 

[friendship]

Read, I think we must read all reasons of all relegions and after that accept the true one. I have several christian and few jewish Books in Farsi language. I have some Zartoshtian and Bahai books too. I look for some Buddaist books too.

 

[friendship]

You agonized my words. I never said that you claim God dead:

Is God poor because his word killed by men.(As you claim)

My friend, This fact that “Bible is changed” is confirmable. We can talk about it in other Threads.

And about Quran we can talk about too.

 

[friendship]

So, in other words, you have no proof, only your personal emotional feelings. “The Qur’an is true because I believe it is true”. So you are wasting your time and everybody else’s, too.

At first, I must say that if you want to have decauss with me, you must respect me. It seems you want fight to me! I’m here for friendship and not war, so don’t fight with me and answer me urbane, as I do so.

After that, I have enough resons for confirm Quran is miracle and I gave them before. I got no answer and you just gave me some links about some of scientific miracles and I gave you back some islamic links in answer. Absolutly just muslims try to confirm that Quran has miracles.

You know what I believe? I believe the Qur’an is a forgery from Satan, and the Islam is not the true religion, and that Muslims are all completely lost following their murderous, violent prophet straight to hell. Now, wouldn’t you have a problem with me presenting these views as fact, whether I attach the word “miracle” to them or not? After all, they are just what I believe, and I cannot find anyone who will agree with me unless they are not already convinced of this opinion themselves. This is essentially the same strength of your argument, if it can even be called an argument.

Quit wasting everyone’s time.

wow! confirm your words.

 

[friendship]

Absolutly I don’t think every think deedat and Zakir Nik say are true. But I accepted that Quran has many miracles. I read your book and athists’ books and sites. But I didn’t accepted their answer and I have my answers to them.

And don’t forget that Quran’s miracles are not just scientific. Quran Predict afterclap of a wor 9 years before that. And It has predicts and other miracles.

 

[dzheremi]

At first, I must say that if you want to have decauss with me, you must respect me. It seems you want fight to me! I’m here for friendship and not war, so don’t fight with me and answer me urbane, as I do so.

Friendship, I said two pages ago in post #178 that only religiously-neutral material (such as what I presented to you, from the humanist/atheist link) is acceptable as “proof” of any kind of scientific miracle in the Qur’an. Without it, you are only posting Islamic propaganda, which is not the same as proof. So please understand that it is not a personal attack against you, but irritation at your continued methods of posting your personal opinion as fact, using only Islamic propaganda to back it up. Now you admit that the only sites you have are Islamic and are just shocked that we don’t agree with them. Of course that is ridiculous! How else should I react to someone who is breaking the forum rules with their proselytizing for a non-Christian religion with propaganda like you are? Again, you are wasting your time.

After that, I have enough resons for confirm Quran is miracle and I gave them before.

This is precisely my point - you’ve given no such reasons at all, only propaganda that you think is convincing. They’re not the same thing.

I got no answer and you just gave me some links about some of scientific miracles and I gave you back some islamic links in answer. Absolutly just muslims try to confirm that Quran has miracles.

Okay. You’ve tried and failed. Just quit insisting otherwise.

wow! confirm your words.

That’s my point: I can’t “confirm” them as being anything other than my own opinion. I can quote the Bible or early Christian writers on Islam, but since these are not unbiased sources, they will not be accepted as proof by non-Christians. In fact, these are not even scientific propositions in the first place, as there’s no way to test if they are right, since we cannot look into hell and see who is there and who is not. So my proof will be the exact same as your proof, but the difference between you and I is that I will not pretend any different.

Do you seriously not understand the difference between your personal opinion and fact?

(Ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have a “new Planten” on our hands here…watch out, Platen! Someone is stealing all your hot air!)

 

[friendship]

Friendship, I said two pages ago in post #178 that only religiously-neutral material (such as what I presented to you, from the humanist/atheist link) is acceptable as “proof” of any kind of scientific miracle in the Qur’an. Without it, you are only posting Islamic propaganda, which is not the same as proof. So please understand that it is not a personal attack against you, but irritation at your continued methods of posting your personal opinion as fact, using only Islamic propaganda to back it up. Now you admit that the only sites you have are Islamic and are just shocked that we don’t agree with them. Of course that is ridiculous! How else should I react to someone who is breaking the forum rules with their proselytizing for a non-Christian religion with propaganda like you are? Again, you are wasting your time.

Atheists has their own bigotry to confirm all relegions are false. So their notes are not evenhanded. We must discuss eatchother and hearour reson and accept the best idea:

The ones who listen to what is being said, then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.(Quran39:18)

This is precisely my point - you’ve given no such reasons at all, only propaganda that you think is convincing. They’re not the same thing.

I gave some reasons. I have more.

Okay. You’ve tried and failed. Just quit insisting otherwise.

I don’t think so.

That’s my point: I can’t “confirm” them as being anything other than my own opinion. I can quote the Bible or early Christian writers on Islam, but since these are not unbiased sources, they will not be accepted as proof by non-Christians. In fact, these are not even scientific propositions in the first place, as there’s no way to test if they are right, since we cannot look into hell and see who is there and who is not. So my proof will be the exact same as your proof, but the difference between you and I is that I will not pretend any different.

Do you seriously not understand the difference between your personal opinion and fact?

Iunderstand. But these reasons are not personal.Quran predicts are not personal reasons.

(Ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have a “new Planten” on our hands here…watch out, Platen! Someone is stealing all your hot air!)

Some joy.

 

[dzheremi]

Atheists has their own bigotry to confirm all relegions are false. So their notes are not evenhanded.

They are when it comes to scientific claims versus the claims of religious fundamentalists. If you are making scientific claims, it is best to leave religion out of things (whether you’re Muslim, or Christian, or anything else), and you are the one making scientific claims about your Qur’an with no proof.

We must discuss eatchother and hearour reson and accept the best idea:

The ones who listen to what is being said, then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.(Quran39:18)

More propaganda for Islam, as I’m sure the writer considers the Qur’an to be the “best of what is being said”…were it otherwise, then this verse wouldn’t be in the Qur’an. Duh!

I gave some reasons. I have more.

No, you gave opinions. You don’t have anything but opinions.

I don’t think so.

Of course you don’t. What kind of person who proselytizes others as you are doing here would admit to defeat?

Iunderstand. But these reasons are not personal.Quran predicts are not personal reasons.

I really don’t think you do. You say that you do, but you haven’t demonstrated that in any of your posts.

 

[friendship]

They are when it comes to scientific claims versus the claims of religious fundamentalists. If you are making scientific claims, it is best to leave religion out of things (whether you’re Muslim, or Christian, or anything else), and you are the one making scientific claims about your Qur’an with no proof.

They have many reasons to confirm that Bible is not a great book and it is full of mistakes. As I said they have bigotry to confirm all relegions are false. They ever have bigotry to confirm God does not exist. They are not even handed.

More propaganda for Islam, as I’m sure the writer considers the Qur’an to be the “best of what is being said”…were it otherwise, then this verse wouldn’t be in the Qur’an. Duh!

No, you gave opinions. You don’t have anything but opinions.

Of course you don’t. What kind of person who proselytizes others as you are doing here would admit to defeat?

I really don’t think you do. You say that you do, but you haven’t demonstrated that in any of your posts.

I’m not here to stragle with you. I can think that you broke me!

 

[dzheremi]

They have many reasons to confirm that Bible is not a great book and it is full of mistakes. As I said they have bigotry to confirm all relegions are false. They ever have bigotry to confirm God does not exist. They are not even handed.

Again, with scientific claims, I would trust an atheist before I would trust a religious fundamentalist. Why? Because the sorts of ideas that religion deals with are moral and spiritual, not scientific. I have never, ever seen a religious text that is meant to be used as a scientific manual. If the Qur’an is meant to be a science book, it is an even more abysmal failure than it is as a moral and spiritual guide!

I’m not here to stragle with you. I can think that you broke me!

Well, you’re obviously here to propagate Islam, so if you want to come here to do that then you should expect some stiff resistance. The people here are not the average western “Christians” who think as long as they say they love Jesus, they don’t have to do anything else. We know our faith, and many of us (by virtue of being converts from Islam) also know YOUR faith. We won’t stand for the sort of foolishness you’re trying to spread here. If you make a claim that is about anything other than your personal feelings of love towards your religion, then it must be supported by something other than those same personal feelings. If you want to discuss religion with non-Muslims, you should be prepared for this sort of reaction. The Bible says “come now, let us reason together” (Isaiah 1:18), not “come now, let us become convinced of our own correctness and put our fingers in our ears and repeat loudly our convictions in order to drown out any criticism”, as Muslims seem to think is an appropriate response.

 

[friendship]

I didn’t say Quran is a scientfic book.

 

[friendship]

Why are we here in this thread? Talking about Bible and Christianity?

 

[dzheremi]

No, that was not Jharek’s question. The question was why did YOU start this particular argument by claiming the ‘scientific miracles’ of the Qur’an? No Christian in this thread has claimed anything similar about the Bible.

 

[KingAlfred]

**Innocent Little Girl, Stoned to Death for Being a Victim of Rape, Cries for Mercy Before they Kill Her.Submitted by King Kalydosos on Tue, 01/12/2010

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, aged only 13yrs was stoned to death in Somalia. She pleaded for her life, a witness explained. “Don’t kill me, don’t kill me,” she cried, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones by over than 50 men until she died in front of 1,000 jeering spectators. She had been accused of adultery in breach of Islamic law, but sources told Amnesty International that she had in fact been raped by three men, and had attempted to report this rape.

She was detained by militia of the Kismayo authorities, a coalition of Al-shabab and clan militias. During this time, she was reported to be extremely distressed, with some individuals stating she had become mentally unstable. Initial reports said she confessed to adultery before a Sharia court. Amnesty said it had learned she was only 13 and that her father had said she was gang raped by three men. …

faithfreedom.org/islam/in…-they-kill-her**

 

[jakasaki]

No. I don’t live in cave. In west very girls got raped too.

Islam don’t let men to have sex with girls when they are childs. It’s Islam’s law that they girl must be young and after she accepted the marriage they can have sex with eachother

What the hell are you talking about???

**You made a statement about the news story from Saudi Arabia where a girls school was on fire and the “bully rightious police” didn’t let them out of the school because they had their head scarfs off their heads. And the girls died in the flames.

Burned alive… and You are the one that callled this story a “lie”**

I’m telling you the story is true and now you talk about “west very girls got raped too”…???