The Truth About Islam

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morning_star777 said:
Exactly.Islam knows how to deceive people perfectly,and that’s why it has two types of verses.When they are weak then use meccan verses,and then when they are strong they use medinan verses.Like in Europe and USA ,muslims are using Meccan verses,but be sure friend,soon the median verses will appear when Muslims will be stronger.And I hope then the Christians of western country (who have extra charity or democracy)will realize the truth.So we should just wait and see the fall of rest of the Christian lands,like one day our christian ancestors lost middle east,specially constantinople. indeed muslims captured all lands in peaceful way.I was also upset about the future,but now i am not, because I realize that fate can’t be changed,and it is our fate that we will be fallen,and then when lovers(muslim conquerors) will slay us where ever they find us,then maybe merciful God will come for the 2nd time to save us.

Anyway buddy, sharia law is too horrific that even many moderate Muslims fear it.It is just creepy!
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Islam don’t deceive people. Islam never comport paganism. If study Macci Surahsof Quran you’ll see Quran didn’tcomport them and their claims. But prophet Muhammad in mecca had same condition with Moses in Egypt. Both of them after hegria and after their followers had enough power to fight to enemies, ordered by God to fight enemies. Absolutly when they hadn’t enough follower and power to fight they didn’t fight. Absolutly Quran orders are more peaceful than Bible’s orders. Bible ordered to kill children and animals But Quran never ordered to kill chldren and women.

You talked about “Our Christian ancestors”!!! But you claimed that you are Ex-muslim! Who your ancestors was christians?!

Muslims don’t want capture any place except radicals. On the other hands christians try to convert muslims to Christianity in middle-east and they translated many Christian books to Persian and Arabic, But we don’t calumniate them and we don’t fear them although their holly book contains orders to kill people and animals!

Sharia of Islam is more peacefull than what in Bible ordered to.
 
friendship said:
Quran says: “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him:” Be". And he was."(Quran3:59)

On the other hand Quran is God’s word in our belief and it says no one is God’s son in several verses.

In shiah belief, Jesus and Mahdi and their friends don’t come for war, they’ll come for save the world but Dijjal(anti-christ) and Safiani and their dollower are criminal ones and they’ll kill many people before Mahdi and Jesus come. So the war on that time will a war for peace. In shiee belief people will have best condition of life on the time of Mhadi and Jesus.
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Very well.
 
friendship said:
You talked about “Our Christian ancestors”!!! But you claimed that you are Ex-muslim! Who your ancestors was christians?!

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I and some others are ex muslim but not all christians are ex muslims and **I said our Christian ancestors,**I didn’t say my christian ancestor.May be I made mistake I am not sure but actually I wanted to say that Christians of middles east during Muhammed’s times or later who lost their land.I didn’t say specifically my ancestor.Maybe I should use better word but I don’t know what is it. .BTW,Iranians were also non Muslim that time,so if they are the ancestors of present days Iranian peoples then that does not mean that you are ex Christian or ex Zorastarian or others.I said just in this sense.
 
Jay53 said:
:confused: What does this have to do with these 2 Christians in Egypt who are being threatened with death for having converted to Christianity? I just want to know where is the outrage of all the “real” Muslims and where is their defense of these people if there truly is “no compulsion in religion”?
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Jay,had the present day Muslims been understanding islam, they would not have been so low people. they would not have been suffering. Rest assured that whatever is written in the sacred books is true.**There is no compulsion in any religion. Al-Quran 2:256. **. Any one who is persecuting others about matters of faith is not a Muslims. The Muslims should bycott and punish such silly bigots.

The fair minded Muslims should rise against those bigots who are punishing the converts or apostates. But why they are not doing that?? It is because the majority are bad. They do not allow any good change. It will take time to correct the matters. Rome was not built in one day.
 
staffsgt7 said:
Over and over again you keep repeating you don’t espouse my ideas. That is fine. Express your own views without bashing me. Can you do that? Does that make your points anymore valid or superior? If you disagree then fine, disagree. Stop with the insistance that in order to make a point you must keep on bashing me. It is getting as tiring as reading that Islam is love or peace.
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No reasonable person can be expected to construct their posts with the primary goal of not tiring you, especially when your own posts show so little regard for reason or justice.

If you insist on writing posts from which rational and decent people wish to dissociate themselves, the fault is yours alone.

Edwin
 
I’m sorry if someone finds this offensive. What I can’t understand is why someone would want to follow a religion where their prophet was basically a child molester.
 
Re: “Muhammad was a child-molester”

It’s not an accusation I like to throw around, although in modern terms that is what it would be called, without a doubt. Still, even though I try to refrain from it, something in Muslim defenses of it really doesn’t sit right with me. The most common one that we get here is that it was a long time ago and that behavior was completely acceptable in those days. What I don’t understand about that is that even if it is true, what does that say about the supposed timelessness of Muhammad’s message and example? I mean, Muhammad is supposed to be the perfect man, an example for all humanity throughout all space and time, right? So why didn’t Allah, in his infinite wisdom, preserve his prophet from behavior that would bring scandal upon the “religion of truth/peace” in later eras? Because it reflects very poorly on religion that a prophet would engage in such behavior and at the same time be considered sinless and an example for all humanity. If Islam did not insist on sinless prophets (which were certainly NOT a feature of previous religions that Islam claims to be the inheritor and perfector of!), I would have much less of a problem relegating Muhammad’s behavior to what was appropriate for his time and place, but is not now. As it is, it’s really, really creepy and pretty much guarantees that Islam will be rejected out of hand by a good portion of humanity.
 
Sushi said:
I’m sorry if someone finds this offensive. What I can’t understand is why someone would want to follow a religion where their prophet was basically a child molester.
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Because your calim is a lie and their prophet was not a child molester. Ayshaa 7 years before marriage, converted to Islam asIbn hisham says, If she was just 9 years old on that time, on the time of marriage she must be 16 years old.
 
lost_wanderer said:
True. However I also think that if there was no Bible, Mohammad will have to create a more colorful story and won’t take the story of Abraham and his God. Maybe he will get ideas from a pagan religion? I think that was the most rational thing to do right? Since there were no other religion in that area at that time.
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Lost_Wanderer, Catolico, Muhammad took nothing from your bibleNT. All he got was from God. You believe that angel gabriel gave messages to Mary and Joseph the carpentar, the father of Jesus. You believe that. WE also believe that, and we believe that same angel brought message from God to Muhammad. But you do not believe that.

Muhammad did not take anything from bibleNT.

BibleNT was a home written book. You have now believed that it was written by men who were inspired.The worst thing is that your posters (Catholics) are openly saying ** JESUS DID NOT GIVE ANY BIBLE.** So that is the end of the bible being a divine book. Do you believe that Mathew and Mark and others were divine?? If they were not divine then how could they bring about a divine book??
  1. Did Muhammad take anything of your Trinity? No.
  2. Did Muhammad say that all the disciples of Jesus ran away?? No.
  3. Did Muhammad say that Jesus was son of God?? No.
  4. Did Muhammad say that Jesus was God?? No.
  5. Did Muhammad say that all mankind is a born sinner?? No.
  6. Did Muhammad say that even a new born baby is a sinner?? No.
  7. Did Muhammad say all prophets except Jesus are sinners?? No.
  8. Did Muhammad say that Bible was a book written (made) by men?? No.
  9. Did Muhammad say that Jesus was not put on the cross?? No.
  10. Did Muhammad say that Jesus was not son of Mary?? No.
  11. Did Muhammad say that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind?? No.
  12. Did Muhammad teach that Jesus took away the burden of every persons sins? No.
  13. Did Muhammad say that jesus was a cursed person?? No.
  14. Did Muhammad say that Jesus died on the cross?? No.
There are many things which are different. How can you say that Muhammad took everything from your bibleNT?? Please compare your bibleNT with your Master book, BibleOT. You have nothing in your bibleNT compared to bibleOT or the Quran
 
friendship said:
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Know have a look at your prophets in your bible!! Ebraham married his sister!(Genesis20:12) and Lot Who had sex with his girls!(Genesis19:30-38) and Solomon who has 1000 wives(1Kings11) and David who had sex with a woman who had a husband and killed his husband!(2Samuel11:2-27)
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All of this justifies what Mohammed did?
 
sedonaman said:
All of this justifies what Mohammed did?
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sedonaman, you really had no reply to the post of the Friendship shown below. That was a good bouncer to you from Friendship. But you passed it if blaming it on Muhammad. Why could you not justify the points mentioned by Freindship?? At least you should have admitted those bad things in your score… See the post of Friendship which you could not answer. It was too heavy on you.
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Know have a look at your prophets in your bible!! Ebraham married his sister!(Genesis20:12) and Lot Who had sex with his girls!(Genesis19:30-38) and Solomon who has 1000 wives(1Kings11) and David who had sex with a woman who had a husband and killed his husband!(2Samuel11:2-27)
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As Jay is asking, it is true that we Muslims do not believe in those bad things at all. Thanks to Allah Almighty. There is no such bad word in the Quran. There is no bad word about Jesus or Mary in the Quran. There is no report in the Quran that the disciples of Jesus deserted him. There is rather a firm report that they all stood by him in support of him i.e. in support of Jesus.

But still the Catholics claim that Islam Plagiarised from the bible. What is in the bible.?? Friendship has given just a small example of what is in the bible. We do not trust those bad things.
 
planten said:
sedonaman, you really had no reply to the post of the Friendship shown below. That was a good bouncer to you from Friendship. But you passed it if blaming it on Muhammad.
Why could you not justify the points mentioned by Freindship?? At least you should have admitted those bad things in your score… See the post of Friendship which you could not answer. …
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The topic is “The Truth About Islam.” KingAlfred posted a comment about Mohammed marrying a six-year-old girl. Using the typical Muslim tactic of shifting the discussion away from Islam, a tactic you use all the time, friendship tried this with KingAlfred.
As Jay is asking, it is true that we Muslims do not believe in those bad things at all. Thanks to Allah Almighty. There is no such bad word in the Quran.
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If these things are bad, why did Mohammed [the “perfect” Muslim] do them? If they are bad, then he’s not perfect. The fact that someone else might have done them does not mitigate him in the least.
There is no bad word about Jesus or Mary in the Quran. There is no report in the Quran that the disciples of Jesus deserted him. There is rather a firm report that they all stood by him in support of him i.e. in support of Jesus.
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So? There is nothing in the Qur’an about Mohammed having made a phone call either. So what? Since Christians don’t believe the Qur’an, this is a meaningless argument.
But still the Catholics claim that Islam Plagiarised [sic] from the bible. What is in the bible.?? Friendship has given just a small example of what is in the bible. We do not trust those bad things.
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If Mohammed didn’t plagiarize the Bible, how did all those stories of Moses, Noah, the other OT prophets, and Jesus get into the Qur’an? In fact, Mohammed claims to be the last in the line of those prophets and appeals to the Bible for his own validation. His reasoning goes something like, “The prophets of the O T were rejected by their people; my people are rejecting me; therefore I must be one of the prophets!” If these aren’t plagiarism, what is? Subsequently in the Qur’an, by claiming the Bible has been “corrupted”, he denounces his own proof. In fact, Islam has not only plagiarized the Bible, it has also corrupted it by changing “parakletos” to “periklutos” in a absurd attempt to “prove” that Mohammed was predicted in the NT.

Now you back Mohammed up by claiming the Bible is full of “bad things” that you “don’t trust.” Any right-thinking person would reject Islam on just the illogic alone of using “bad things” that you “don’t trust” as proof, never mind Mohammed’s marrying a six-year-old girl, consummating her at nine, and all his other evil deeds.
 
sedonaman said:
The topic is “The Truth About Islam.” KingAlfred posted a comment about Mohammed marrying a six-year-old girl. Using the typical Muslim tactic of shifting the discussion away from Islam, a tactic you use all the time, friendship tried this with KingAlfred.
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That matter had been explained to you many times. Now for the knowledge of the King, I inform that Aisha was about 16 years old when she was married. She was daughter of Abu Bakr. All the children of Abubakr were born before 0610 A.D. Prophet married Aisha after migration to Madinah, i.e after year 0622 A.D.

All this has been told by an Iranian (Shia) Zakir in a video. So if Aisha was born in 0608 A.D. and she married the prophet in 0624 A.D. you can calculate that she was 16 years old when married.
If these things are bad, why did Mohammed [the “perfect” Muslim] do them? If they are bad, then he’s not perfect. The fact that someone else might have done them does not mitigate him in the least
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Muhammad did nothing wrong. I have explained your important accusation above.
So? There is nothing in the Qur’an about Mohammed having made a phone call either. So what? Since Christians don’t believe the Qur’an, this is a meaningless argument
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That is another of your bad things. You do not believe in Quran. But you wish that Muslims should believe in the bibleNT. Your are unbalanced and unjustified, biased person. You should at least have the sense of the good rule "Do unto others as you would like to be done to yourself."
If Mohammed didn’t plagiarize the Bible, how did all those stories of Moses, Noah, the other OT prophets, and Jesus get into the Qur’an? In fact, Mohammed claims to be the last in the line of those prophets and appeals to the Bible for his own validation. His reasoning goes something like, “The prophets of the O T were rejected by their people; my people are rejecting me; therefore I must be one of the prophets!” If these aren’t plagiarism, what is? Subsequently in the Qur’an, by claiming the Bible has been “corrupted”, he denounces his own proof. In fact, Islam has not only plagiarized the Bible, it has also corrupted it by changing “parakletos” to “periklutos” in a absurd attempt to “prove” that Mohammed was predicted in the NT.
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You do not believe in God. You do not believe that God is still speaking and revealing things. You believe that He is your God only. But we Muslims believe that He is the God of all, not only of the christians who have forsaken him.

Our God is alive and still speaking. He talked to Muhammad as He talked to Adam and Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus. (And talked to Budha and Krishana and many other men.) That God talked to Muhammad and told him all about the previous prophets.

You are funny person who thinks that Muhammad was reading your books !! He never had any need to see your books. God (Allah) told him all about Moses and Jesus and all about the followers of Jesus who lost their way after receiving guidance. Quran calls the christians “Dhaaleen”. That means, those people who went astray after getting guidance.
Now you back Mohammed up by claiming the Bible is full of “bad things” that you “don’t trust.” Any right-thinking person would reject Islam on just the illogic alone of using “bad things” that you “don’t trust” as proof, never mind Mohammed’s marrying a six-year-old girl, consummating her at nine, and all his other evil deeds.
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You are frustrated and wandering wildly in different fields, looking for some straw, some spot where you could land and rest. Note that there is nothing in the Quran about the marraige to six year old. But your bad things (deeds) are written all over your sacred books. Can you deny them?? It is a good proof against palgairisation that Quran never took any of your things from your bible. Otherwise bad things would have been good and very useful.
 
planten said:
That matter had been explained to you many times. Now for the knowledge of the King, I inform that Aisha was about 16 years old when she was married. She was daughter of Abu Bakr. All the children of Abubakr were born before 0610 A.D. Prophet married Aisha after migration to Madinah, i.e after year 0622 A.D.

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You are confuse because you can’t stick to the point, and you can’t stick to the point because you can’t figure out what it is.
 
Thank you, Friendship, for answering my post.

Do you believe girls there can go without the chador…is that the correct name…the black dress and veil?

I think the Iranian people there are very good…
 
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