The two thieves at Jesus’s crucifixion

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The Gospel is God’s Word…
Those with Faith receive opened ‘eyes’ - and learn. .
 
All the accounts are true.

BOTH thieves were railing against Jesus at one point on Calvary.

Then ONE thief (the “Good Thief”) accepted the grace of conversion.
That thief had a “deathbed conversion”.
(More accurately, a “death cross conversion.”)

The Good Thief exhibited this by his actions
and was illustrated more deeply by the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hope that helps.

God bless.

Cathoholic
 
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None of the stories says that one of the crucified first mocked Jesus then repented and defended him. The stories tells two versions. One says both mocked Jesus. And the other version says that one of the crucified simply defended him, nothing else. That is a total contradiction.
 
Michaelangelo (on the death-bed conversion of the Good Thief) . . .
None of the stories says that one of the crucified first mocked Jesus then repented and defended him.
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Sure they do. Just implicitly. But only if you believe and affirm ALL the passages will you be able to see it.
MATTHEW 27:35-40 35 And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots; 36 then they sat down and kept watch over him there. 37 And over his head they put the charge against him, which read, “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.” 38 Then TWO robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads 40 and saying, “You who would destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.” . . . . 44 And the ROBBERS who were crucified with him
also reviled him in the SAME way.
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MARK 15:27-32 27 And with him they crucified TWO robbers, one on his right and one on his left. 29 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads, and saying, “Aha! You who would destroy the temple and build it in three days, 30 save yourself, and come down from the cross!” 31 So also the chief priests mocked him to one another with the scribes, saying, “He saved others; he cannot save himself. 32 Let the Christ, the King of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.”
Those who were crucified with him
ALSO REVILED HIM.
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Let’s go deeper:
LUKE 23:32-38 32 Two others also, who were criminals, were led away to be put to death with him. 33 And when they came to the place which is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on the right and one on the left. 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments. 35 And the people stood by, watching; but the rulers scoffed at him, saying, “He saved others; let him save himself, if he is the Christ of God, his Chosen One!” 36 The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him vinegar, 37 and saying, “If you are the King of the Jews, save yourself!” 38 There was also an inscription over him, “This is the King of the Jews.” . . .
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So St. Luke reminds us above (just as Sts. Matthew and Mark do in their Gospels) there were TWO of them.

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And here is the conversion! . . .
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LUKE 23:39-46 39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him , saying, “ Do you not fear God , since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly ; for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” 44 It was now about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45 while the sun’s light failed; and the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.
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SS. Jerome, Chrysostom, Theophylact, Euthymius, on S. Matt. xxvii., Cyril of Jerusalem in his Catechetical Lectures, xiii., Origen, Tract xxxv. on S. Matt., say that this thief had first blasphemed Christ with his companion, for SS. Matt. and Mark say in the plural “the thieves reproached Him,” though SS. Augustine, Epiphanius, Anselm and others think, like Suarez, with more probability, the contrary. These think that one of them was called “the thieves” by synecdoche, for S. Luke says that one blasphemed and the other confessed. If one of them blasphemed first, so much the greater miracle that conversion by which he suddenly changed blasphemy into the confession and praise of Christ. This change of the thief was “the right hand of the High One” (Ps. cxviii. 15, 16; dextera Excelsi ). It may be asked by what means he was converted. I reply, 1. Outwardly, by the example of the virtues which he discerned in Christ, namely, His singular love, by which he heard Him praying for His enemies, His patience, fortitude, religion, and all virtues.
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Michaelangelo (on the death-bed conversion of the Good Thief) . . .
None of the stories says that one of the crucified first mocked Jesus then repented and defended him.
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Implicitly

You mean when reading things into the text that wasn’t actually written.
Seems like a great way to prevent misunderstandings when sharing information. Especially in the light of the claim that an almighty being is behind it. 🤔 :roll_eyes:
Nope! I don’t buy that.
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The Gospel is God’s Word…
Those with Faith receive opened ‘eyes’ - and learn. .
Michaelangelo said:
I’m not wired that way.
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Yes. Lack of Faith kept Saul blind in more ways than one

Those without it know not what it is…

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Blind this and blind that. To me, there is simply not sufficient data pointing in the direction you claim. You admittedly have to add things not found in the actual text to paint your picture.
 
Michaelangelo . . .
You mean when reading things into the text that wasn’t actually written .
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No. I mean just what I said I mean.

Believing ALL the verses.

Here it is again . . . .
All the accounts are true.
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Do you believe that there were two guys crucified with Jesus? ( “Then TWO robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left”)

Check.

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Do you believe BOTH railed against Jesus? (“the ROBBERS who were crucified with him
also reviled him in the SAME way”)

Check.

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Do you believe ONE asked Jesus to “remeber me” when He comes into His Kingdom? ( "One of the criminals who were hanged . . . And he said, . . . “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”)

Check.

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This is not a tough exegesis Michaelangelo.
 
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This is not a tough exegesis Michaelangelo.
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Luke never descibes one of the crucified repenting, because Luke never describes him being one of the ones mocking Jesus to begin with. All Luke describe is him supporting Jesus. Him repenting is something you have to add yourself because it is not in any of the texts at all. Luke most certainly does not describe him repenting for mocking Jesus.
 
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Now now… Faith gives one all the ‘data’ one needs and more…
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Faith gives nothing of that sort.
Faith first! Proof follows.
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Nope!
That’s the one and only Way that it shall ever be.
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Most certainly not according to the gospels.

By the way, I predicted that it would rain on this planet some days ago. I did indeed rain the day after. Does this make me a prophet of god?
 
Michaelangelo . . .
. . . Luke never describes him being one of the ones mocking Jesus to begin with. . .
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St. Luke doesn’t need to.

The Holy Spirit does though via other Gospel writers.

Here it is yet again . . .
“the ROBBERS who were crucified with him
also reviled him in the SAME way”
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That is exactly WHY I said you have to believe ALL the Gospels.

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MATTHEW 27:35-40 35 And when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots; 36 then they sat down and kept watch over him there. 37 And over his head they put the charge against him, which read, “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.” 38 Then TWO robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads 40 and saying, “You who would destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.” . . . . 44 And the ROBBERS who were crucified with him
also reviled him in the SAME way .
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MARK 15:27-32 27 And with him they crucified TWO robbers , one on his right and one on his left. 29 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads, and saying, “Aha! You who would destroy the temple and build it in three days, 30 save yourself, and come down from the cross!” 31 So also the chief priests mocked him to one another with the scribes, saying, “He saved others; he cannot save himself. 32 Let the Christ, the King of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.”
Those who were crucified with him
ALSO REVILED HIM.
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Michaelangelo on the Holy Spirit (via other Gospel writers Sts. Mark and Matthew) saying that BOTH thieves “REVILED HIM” (reviled Jesus). . . .
MARK 15:27, 32 27 And with him they crucified TWO robbers, one on his right and one on his left. . . . . Those who were crucified with him ALSO REVILED HIM.
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MATTHEW 27:38-39, 44 38 Then TWO robbers were crucified with him, one on the right and one on the left. 39 And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads . . . . 44 And the ROBBERS who were crucified with him also reviled him in the SAME way .
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Michaelangelo’s response?
I don’t buy that.
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OK. I can’t force you to belive the Holy Spirit via the Gospels.
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still–Ben Franklin
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EndTimes said:
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Michaelangelo:
Faith gives
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Faith opens the Door to God’s Spirit

Those who have not that Faith - can never know what that Faith is.
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Faith is an active decision. And everybody knows what faith is.
 
Michaelangelo said:
Faith is an active decision. And everybody knows what faith is.
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Faith is Faith…
Everyone who has Faith - knows that Faith is a spiritual Virtue…
Which opens the Door to God’s Spirit…
 
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EndTimes said:
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Michaelangelo:
Faith is an active decision. And everybody knows what faith is.
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Faith is Faith…
Everyone who has Faith - knows that Faith is a spiritual Virtue…
Which opens the Door to God’s Spirit…
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Again, faith is an active decision, for each moment actually.
And the gospels certainly does not support what you said earlier that proof follows faith. Because Jesus did not request the apostles to have faith in him before he started to prove to them who he was. He gave proof first so they would have a reason to believe him.
 
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