The U.S federal government should ban licensed professionals from practicing ex gay “therapy” on minors

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I could be wrong, but I believe SSA is not defined as a mental illness because unlike other mental illness, a person is capable of functioning fully. I believe that in general, it was shown that SSA individuals were just as likely as non-SSA individuals to have or to not have related psychiatric disorders. Additionally, unless disclosed, it is often difficult to distinguish between a SSA person and a non-SSA person (I believe most mental illness often are associated with particular signs and symptoms, ex. bipolar disorder patients experience fluctuating periods of mania and depression).
This assumes that the capacity to have a normal, conjugal marriage including the desire/capacity to procreate one’s own children with an opposite-sexed spouse is not required in the definition of “functioning fully.”

Once THAT capacity is tossed out from the definition of “functioning fully,” then everything you say follows. That is the problem, however, because the revised definition of “functioning fully” assumes and dispenses with a whole lot before it can be accepted. It begs the question of what it means to be a “fully functioning” human by tossing out basic biology, psychology and sociology regarding human happiness and fulfillment - leaving it to vicarious human imagination rather than any sound principles. Well, unless you think “People should always do what they want without constraint,” is a sound principle.
 
On what grounds is it claimed that SSA is not a mental illness? What are the definitions of mental health and mental illness that we can sort conditions into one category or the other?
Here is the main problem I have with definitions of “mental health” and designations by organizations such as APA: the definitions are applied inconsistently.

The following is a post of mine from another thread. It was never adequately answered.
You see, this is getting to the point I am trying to make. The preferences that individuals have is not usually looked at very seriously. In fact, most times, even strange predilections become subjects of curiosity, such as:

mentalfloss.com/article/31883/12-people-who-made-living-eating-inedible-things

Yet, we do consider it a disorder when the preferences are decidedly for things which are contrary to the point of having the particular attractions in the first place.

So, for example…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=12489422&postcount=110
 
One of my biggest problem with reparative therapy is seems like the goal is to fit all SSA individuals into a particular box. For men its overbearing mother, distant father, and bad at sports/lack of same sex peer affirmation. However, this is often not the case for many individuals. Additionally just like the pro-homosexual acts crowd, the research done by reparative groups are often skewed and misleading. So it is difficult to trust or accept it as good therapy.
I agree completely and can speak to this from personal experience. When we first learned that our son was gay almost 20 years ago, my husband and I looked into reparative therapy at my son’s request. We made inquiries with several programs that provided residential treatment and were told that our son would work with a therapist, attend group sessions, participate in team sports, avoid gay bars, the theatre, the opera and art museums, avoid relationships with women unless they were of a romantic nature, spend time around heterosexual men and learn to mimic the way heterosexual men talk, walk and interact with others, etc. The list went on, but you get picture.

The problem:

My son had been obsessed with sports since he was old enough to walk. He played every team sport he could through high school. In fact, he exceled at them. He attended undergraduate on an athletic scholarship.

His mannerisms and speech were completely indistinguishable from any other heterosexual man.

He had never set foot in a gay bar and you couldn’t get him to go the opera or an art museum at gunpoint.

He had plenty of heterosexual male friends and plenty of romantic relationships young women.

It was clear that these people did not understand my son at all, so we opted for a private therapist who specialized in reparative therapy.

My son was told his homosexuality was the result of an overbearing mother (there may be some truth to that one :D), a distant father (which certainly was not true, as he had always been much closer to and spent more time with his father and idolized his older brothers), and was possibly the victim of sexual abuse by another man. This was the real deal breaker for my son. Because the theory did not fit as far as the parental influence, this therapist tried to convince him that he had been molested and was encouraging him to remember abuse that never happened.
 
I could be wrong, but I believe SSA is not defined as a mental illness because unlike other mental illness, a person is capable of functioning fully. I believe that in general, it was shown that SSA individuals were just as likely as non-SSA individuals to have or to not have related psychiatric disorders. Additionally, unless disclosed, it is often difficult to distinguish between a SSA person and a non-SSA person (I believe most mental illness often are associated with particular signs and symptoms, ex. bipolar disorder patients experience fluctuating periods of mania and depression).

To clarify just because something is not a mental illness does not necessarily make it morally okay. To give a slightly bad example. A person might be tempted to steal something from a store. That in itself is not a mental illness. Now if the person has a compulsive temptation to steal (kleptomania) then it is indeed a mental illness. Same thing applies to SSA. I think it enters into mental disorder zone when it becomes compulsive for that person (say as a sexual addiction).
I think that I would generally agree with this - SSA individuals rarely exhibit symptoms which extremely negatively affect their ability to live a normal life (though I would argue that in some cases it could - I won’t get in to that) aside from the fact that we as Catholics believe that a “gay relationship” is abnormal.
One of my biggest problem with reparative therapy is seems like the goal is to fit all SSA individuals into a particular box. …Additionally just like the pro-homosexual acts crowd, the research done by reparative groups are often skewed and misleading. So it is difficult to trust or accept it as good therapy.
…One of the biggest issues is it is often implied (either explicitly or implicitly) that therapy will automatically cure said person if only they have the motivation and desire. When the change doesn’t come… very negative things result. …
Sorry for the long spiel but I hope this is a somewhat level-headed approach.
**** There is a big difference between therapy for an individual with SSA and reparative therapy. (At least in my opinion). So therapy can often be a good thing for a SSA individual.
Have a great day everyone.
I think you are correct in some of your evaluations regarding reparative therapy, but not all of them. I am still researching it myself, so I can’t make a sure opinion yet - but it’s possible you are correct that some reparative therapy attempts to put all SSA individuals “into one box”. I am basing my understanding of reparative therapy on some articles by Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, and I think he would argue that the majority of individuals who are unsatisfied with their same sex attractions (as distinct from those who embrace their SSA and live out the “gay lifestyle”) come from similar backgrounds and most have had certain similarities in their childhood and/or adolescent development. If this is really the case - that the majority of individuals he treats come from similar backgrounds - then I can see how one would think that he is placing all SSA individuals in a box.

I think you are incorrect on one point: I suppose I can’t speak for all therapists who practice reparative therapy, but I think a number of reparative therapists follow many/most of the principles laid out by Dr. Nicolosi, and he does not guarantee being “cured” from SSA. He states, in this article I have found:
This collaborative relationship could not, of course, include imposing methods or techniques attempting to “cause” sexual-orientation change – which would, anyway, be quite impossible!-- but utilizes four basic methods of intervention. These interventions will result in reducing, and sometimes eliminating, sexual or romantic attractions toward individuals of the same sex. But no outcome can be guaranteed. There must be an understanding from the outset that reducing same-sex attraction and developing heterosexual potential will be achievable along a continuum from complete change, to partial change (management and reduction of the unwanted feelings), to, for some people, no change at all. Some clients decide to return to a gay lifestyle. Others, particularly religiously committed clients, will ultimately decide to accept the persistence of their unwanted feelings but commit to chastity.
That article can be found here: josephnicolosi.com/collection/what-is-reparative-therapy And I know, as you pointed out, it is possible that his studies and the ones he cites are skewed just as the pro-homosexual acts crowd’s studies are; but if you do read this article, I think it still gets rid of some of the erroneous views about reparative therapy. Or at least, I think it leaves open the possibility that reparative therapy can be a good thing if certain principles are understood from the outset. And I think this article doesn’t (at least directly) claim that every single SSA individual “fits into the exact same box” though I admit that one could argue that it claims most do have similar elements in their childhood/adolescent development…but I don’t think that’s the same thing. OK I’m done babbling.
 
I agree completely and can speak to this from personal experience. When we first learned that our son was gay almost 20 years ago, my husband and I looked into reparative therapy at my son’s request. We made inquiries with several programs that provided residential treatment and were told that our son would work with a therapist, attend group sessions, participate in team sports, avoid gay bars, the theatre, the opera and art museums, avoid relationships with women unless they were of a romantic nature, spend time around heterosexual men and learn to mimic the way heterosexual men talk, walk and interact with others, etc. The list went on, but you get picture.

My son was told his homosexuality was the result of an overbearing mother (there may be some truth to that one :D), a distant father (which certainly was not true, as he had always been much closer to and spent more time with his father and idolized his older brothers), and was possibly the victim of sexual abuse by another man. This was the real deal breaker for my son. Because the theory did not fit as far as the parental influence, this therapist tried to convince him that he had been molested and was encouraging him to remember abuse that never happened.
I think I would say that this the wrong way of going about treating a SSA individual. A good reparative therapist will accept (at least the possibility) that what his patient is telling him is true and won’t force him to “remember abuse that never happened”.

I understand that there are certain, I don’t know, ways of acting, mannerisms, typical “guy things” that are common to many guys, but I do disagree with the idea outlined in your post above by that therapist that one’s identity - in this case, one’s manhood - consists in “doing the typical guy things”, and I disagree that having what some people call “effeminate” mannerisms makes a man less of a man or less secure in his manhood. I think it has a lot more to do with internal things than with what one may see on the outside.

I would like to suggest the possibility that not all therapists who claim to offer reparative therapy have methods such as the ones of the therapist your son saw.
 
Who are these “reparative therapists”?

Where are they? They certainly aren’t practicing as licensed professionals as that would be unethical and their license would be revoked. Any licensed therapist who knows of another doing reparative or conversion therapy is ethically bound to report them to their licensing body.

Insurance companies certainly aren’t going to reimburse anyone doing this psuedo-therapy

So are these those “Christian Therapists” that work for churches- normally evangelical.
 
Who who are these “reparative therapists”?

Where are they? They certainly aren’t practicing as licensed professionals as that would be unethical and their license would be revoked.

So are these those “Christian Therapists” that work for churches- normally evangelical.
Well, that’s a good question. Have all forms of reparative therapy actually been banned from being used by licensed professionals? I would argue no, or else why would we even have this thread going?

Again, I am using what I know from Dr. Nicolosi, and as far as I know, he is a licensed professional in good standing, and he is a reparative therapist. Maybe his license has been revoked and I never knew it. He is actually a Catholic. The therapist I am seeing now, though I don’t know if he specializes in reparative therapy, definitely uses many of Dr. Nicolosi’s ideas on reparative therapy. He is a Catholic, and as far as I know, a licensed professional. I highly doubt those two are the only ones.

My whole thing with this anti-reparative therapy sentiment is this: I believe that reparative therapy can be in line with - indeed, supportive of - Catholic teaching. The full Catholic teaching regarding sexuality has to do not just with sex itself, but as each person’s identity as a male or a female. I haven’t read enough of Nicolosi to be confident in claiming that he specifically brings up these ideas in his reparative therapy, but I would make the claim that such could be done even if he doesn’t specifically do it.
 
This assumes that the capacity to have a normal, conjugal marriage including the desire/capacity to procreate one’s own children with an opposite-sexed spouse is not required in the definition of “functioning fully.”

Once THAT capacity is tossed out from the definition of “functioning fully,” then everything you say follows. That is the problem, however, because the revised definition of “functioning fully” assumes and dispenses with a whole lot before it can be accepted. It begs the question of what it means to be a “fully functioning” human by tossing out basic biology, psychology and sociology regarding human happiness and fulfillment - leaving it to vicarious human imagination rather than any sound principles. Well, unless you think “People should always do what they want without constraint,” is a sound principle.
A less intellectual version is “Do your own thing. Now your thing might not be my thing and my thing might not be your thing, but whatever your thing is, it’s cool.” We cannot invent reality. We must look at things critically and not demand our version of reality be imposed by law because it suits our mindset or my group’s mindset.

A desire for novelty has always been problematic when unexamined.

Ed
 
Well, that’s a good question. Have all forms of reparative therapy actually been banned from being used by licensed professionals? I would argue no, or else why would we even have this thread going?

Again, I am using what I know from Dr. Nicolosi, and as far as I know, he is a licensed professional in good standing, and he is a reparative therapist. Maybe his license has been revoked and I never knew it. He is actually a Catholic. The therapist I am seeing now, though I don’t know if he specializes in reparative therapy, definitely uses many of Dr. Nicolosi’s ideas on reparative therapy. He is a Catholic, and as far as I know, a licensed professional. I highly doubt those two are the only ones.

My whole thing with this anti-reparative therapy sentiment is this: I believe that reparative therapy can be in line with - indeed, supportive of - Catholic teaching. The full Catholic teaching regarding sexuality has to do not just with sex itself, but as each person’s identity as a male or a female. I haven’t read enough of Nicolosi to be confident in claiming that he specifically brings up these ideas in his reparative therapy, but I would make the claim that such could be done even if he doesn’t specifically do it.
I should know the answers to these questions. I do know that a licensed Social Worker, like myself, can’t engage in efforts to “change” or “switch” a sexual orientation. A therapist can help a client live a chaste life if that is their goal. A therapist can talk about ways to live life as a gay man or woman which meet up with the client’s moral standards. A therapist can help a gay client live a life free of shame and stem.

It really depends on what the client wants.

What a therapist can’t do is try to change or switch sexual orientation.

Maybe therapists doing this stuff do it “on their own time”, and don’t do it as licensed therapists. I know they aren’t turning in paperwork to insurance agencies stating that they are practicing this stuff. Maybe if you don’t bill yourself as a licensed therapist but as a “Christian Counselor” or “life coach”, maybe they can. You know- how Lucy does in peanuts cartoons.

Lastly, the Church has never endorsed efforts to “switch” or “change” sexual orientations. The Church has, as far as I know, pressed the idea that gay folks should live a celibate life. That certainly makes the most sense to me as efforts to live as a straight man or woman are going to inevitably lead to sorrow and heartache in the family.
 
Jake21

This thread has been up for five days now. I’ve read through all the 68 posts so far, and I’m surprised nobody has asked you this question yet, so I’ll ask it now.

If an adult homosexual man or woman, acting freely of their own accord and not sent by parents, relatives, or other authority figures, goes to a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other duly licensed therapist of any kind and asks for help in overcoming their same sex attraction because they would rather be straight, what is – in your view – the correct answer that the therapist should give? Should professionals accept such patients every time, sometimes, or never?
 
I should know the answers to these questions. I do know that a licensed Social Worker, like myself, can’t engage in efforts to “change” or “switch” a sexual orientation. A therapist can help a client live a chaste life if that is their goal. A therapist can talk about ways to live life as a gay man or woman which meet up with the client’s moral standards. A therapist can help a gay client live a life free of shame and stem.

It really depends on what the client wants.

What a therapist can’t do is try to change or switch sexual orientation.
Perhaps this is where the problem is. Maybe some reparative therapists advertise their service as a “sexual orientation change”, but I don’t believe all do. I believe I cited a few posts up that reparative therapy is not all about “changing sexual orientation”. Dr. Nicolosi mentions in that article that his methods will often result in a reduction or even elimination of SSA, but reparative therapy is much more than “changing sexual orientation” - it involves more than that, it’s more than just going to a therapist and talking about how much it sucks to have same-sex attraction. It’s not so much a sexual thing as an identity thing.

Even if you are so set against reparative therapy, I encourage you to read the article I linked to above so that you may have a better idea of what I’m trying to say. Did you read it? I am assuming you have heard of Dr. Nicolosi?
Maybe therapists doing this stuff do it “on their own time”, and don’t do it as licensed therapists. I know they aren’t turning in paperwork to insurance agencies stating that they are practicing this stuff. Maybe if you don’t bill yourself as a licensed therapist but as a “Christian Counselor” or “life coach”, maybe they can. You know- how Lucy does in peanuts cartoons.
Well, perhaps they aren’t specifically advertising as practicing reparative therapy, but according to Catholictherapists.com, all of their therapists are licensed professionals, and both Dr. Nicolosi and the guy I’m seeing are listed on that website. At least in the case of Dr. Nicolosi, who (I am under the impression) is an outspoken advocate and practitioner of reparative therapy, I would assume that if it was actually illegal to practice reparative therapy, he would have been shut down by now.
Lastly, the Church has never endorsed efforts to “switch” or “change” sexual orientations. The Church has, as far as I know, pressed the idea that gay folks should live a celibate life. That certainly makes the most sense to me as efforts to live as a straight man or woman are going to inevitably lead to sorrow and heartache in the family.
Well, she has never officially prohibited such efforts either, has she? There’s nothing at odds with Church teaching to say that there are environmental factors in one’s childhood development which could lead to SSA, and that exploring one’s past could lead to reduction or elimination of SSA. I mean, the Church doesn’t teach (though she doesn’t deny either) that there is a “gay gene” or something. Therefore, it is possible that SSA can be diminished or eliminated, and SSA individuals should have the right to explore all of their options.

Not sure I would agree with the blanket statement that she teaches celibacy for all SSA individuals, as there is no prohibition for them to marry in the correct circumstances. No one can prove that there is no SSA individual who has a successful, happy marriage. Sure one must proceed with caution in a relationship, and there must be full disclosure, but the Church does not automatically deny marriage to SSA individuals.
 
Jake21

This thread has been up for five days now. I’ve read through all the 68 posts so far, and I’m surprised nobody has asked you this question yet, so I’ll ask it now.

If an adult homosexual man or woman, acting freely of their own accord and not sent by parents, relatives, or other authority figures, goes to a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other duly licensed therapist of any kind and asks for help in overcoming their same sex attraction because they would rather be straight, what is – in your view – the correct answer that the therapist should give? Should professionals accept such patients every time, sometimes, or never?
Please disregard my original post. I have been convinced that the federal government should just ban any therapy that uses bizarre and dangerous methods that are similar to this example I mentioned.

“Unger described another group therapy session where the boys were told that their close relationships with their mothers had played an integral role in turning them gay. Unger was then instructed to reimagine a pillow in the therapy room as his mother, and to then beat that pillow as hard as he possibly could with a tennis racket, according to court documents.”

I believe there should be a significant amount of research done on the success rate of reparative therapy that claims to not be involved with bizarre and dangerous methods before any more laws are passed.
 
Please disregard my original post. I have been convinced that the federal government should just ban any therapy that uses bizarre and dangerous methods that are similar to this example I mentioned.

“Unger described another group therapy session where the boys were told that their close relationships with their mothers had played an integral role in turning them gay. Unger was then instructed to reimagine a pillow in the therapy room as his mother, and to then beat that pillow as hard as he possibly could with a tennis racket, according to court documents.”

I believe there should be a significant amount of research done on the success rate of reparative therapy that claims to not be involved with bizarre and dangerous methods before any more laws are passed.
Thank you, Jake. Does that mean, then, that your answer to my final question is “sometimes”? Remember that I’m asking about adults, not minors.
 
Okay, Jake, thank you for that. I’m going to want to follow that up with a new question, but it’ll take me a few minutes to phrase it carefully. I’ll get back to you later this evening, after dinner. (It’s now a few minutes to 8 p.m. here.)
 
Jake

I don’t want to go into the question of minors, because that would take us into a completely different area, in which a minor’s sexuality can be seen as one among a series of quite complex questions about the desirable degree of parental control, ranging from choosing which TV programs to watch to decisions about schooling, as well as smoking, drinking, dating, and so on.

Restricting ourselves, then, to prospective adult patients seeking therapy along the lines I outlined in my post #69, I take it that we can agree that statement A is broadly true:

A. In some cases, at least, the therapist’s prospects of being able to help the patient achieve their aim are sufficiently favorable for the therapist to be able to offer their services in good faith and, conditionally on their case-by-case evaluation, to accept the patient for a course of therapy.

From this first statement, a second statement logically follows, I think. I hope you will agree.

B. Any attempt to impose an overall ban on therapy of this kind, either by government legislation or by alterations to the code of ethics enforced by professional associations, should be resisted, since it would mean depriving the prospective patients of their right to a course of therapy that holds out a fair chance, at least, of helping them achieve their aim in terms of their sexuality.

Well, Jake, if you can say Yes to those two statements, I will content myself with your clarification for the time being. I promise not to ask you any more questions on this thread!

Thanks
Bart
 
I think I would say that this the wrong way of going about treating a SSA individual. A good reparative therapist will accept (at least the possibility) that what his patient is telling him is true and won’t force him to “remember abuse that never happened”.

I understand that there are certain, I don’t know, ways of acting, mannerisms, typical “guy things” that are common to many guys, but I do disagree with the idea outlined in your post above by that therapist that one’s identity - in this case, one’s manhood - consists in “doing the typical guy things”, and I disagree that having what some people call “effeminate” mannerisms makes a man less of a man or less secure in his manhood. I think it has a lot more to do with internal things than with what one may see on the outside.

I would like to suggest the possibility that not all therapists who claim to offer reparative therapy have methods such as the ones of the therapist your son saw.
Well then I suppose most reparative therapists like Nicolosi are bad therapistd
Who are these “reparative therapists”?

Where are they? They certainly aren’t practicing as licensed professionals as that would be unethical and their license would be revoked. Any licensed therapist who knows of another doing reparative or conversion therapy is ethically bound to report them to their licensing body.

Insurance companies certainly aren’t going to reimburse anyone doing this psuedo-therapy

So are these those “Christian Therapists” that work for churches- normally evangelical.
Ones like the ones who work for NARTH which helps license them.
 
Jake

I don’t want to go into the question of minors, because that would take us into a completely different area, in which a minor’s sexuality can be seen as one among a series of quite complex questions about the desirable degree of parental control, ranging from choosing which TV programs to watch to decisions about schooling, as well as smoking, drinking, dating, and so on.

Restricting ourselves, then, to prospective adult patients seeking therapy along the lines I outlined in my post #69, I take it that we can agree that statement A is broadly true:

A. In some cases, at least, the therapist’s prospects of being able to help the patient achieve their aim are sufficiently favorable for the therapist to be able to offer their services in good faith and, conditionally on their case-by-case evaluation, to accept the patient for a course of therapy.

From this first statement, a second statement logically follows, I think. I hope you will agree.

B. Any attempt to impose an overall ban on therapy of this kind, either by government legislation or by alterations to the code of ethics enforced by professional associations, should be resisted, since it would mean depriving the prospective patients of their right to a course of therapy that holds out a fair chance, at least, of helping them achieve their aim in terms of their sexuality.

Well, Jake, if you can say Yes to those two statements, I will content myself with your clarification for the time being. I promise not to ask you any more questions on this thread!

Thanks
Bart
A) Yes

B) I agree there should not be an overall ban on the therapy. I’m not against the therapy if it has no flat out absurd methods like imaging your mothers a pillow and than hitting it several times with a tennis racket.
 
I think I would say that this the wrong way of going about treating a SSA individual. A good reparative therapist will accept (at least the possibility) that what his patient is telling him is true and won’t force him to “remember abuse that never happened”.

I understand that there are certain, I don’t know, ways of acting, mannerisms, typical “guy things” that are common to many guys, but I do disagree with the idea outlined in your post above by that therapist that one’s identity - in this case, one’s manhood - consists in “doing the typical guy things”, and I disagree that having what some people call “effeminate” mannerisms makes a man less of a man or less secure in his manhood. I think it has a lot more to do with internal things than with what one may see on the outside.

I would like to suggest the possibility that not all therapists who claim to offer reparative therapy have methods such as the ones of the therapist your son saw.
My husband and I read Dr. Nicolosi’s book, which introduced us to the idea of reparative therapy. I would suggest that you do some more investigation. The whole theory of reparative therapy is based upon the theory that those with a homosexual orientation developed such orientation due to a failure to adequately bond with the same sex parent. Treatment is entirely based upon this theory, the goal of which is to heal or “repair” this failure to bond. That is why the therapist that treated my son was so convinced that my son must be repressing memories of sexual abuse. He had no discernable lack of bonding with his father. In fact, the therapist determined that he had developed healthy, properly bonding relationships with both of his parents, which is why he was so convinced that there must have been sexual abuse. The theory did not fit my son, and as well intentioned as this therapist may have been, he could not explain my son’s homosexual orientation unless my son was a victim of sexual abuse, which my son clearly believed had never occurred. He underwent hypnosis, which produced nothing. And when the therapist encouraged him to consider further his interactions with his uncle, my son had had enough. That is when he informed us about this direction in therapy.

I remember very clearly that in his book, Dr. Nicolosi recommends the adoption of traditional masculine gender roles as an important therapeutic tool. I remember this specifically because my son already embodied the typical masculine gender roles. His book seemed very focused on laying out a treatment plan for a specific kind of homosexual person, which he seemed to assume applied to all homosexual people, but he was quite mistaken.

It is not my wish to discourage you from reparative therapy, I only caution you to be well informed about what you are getting into. My most heartfelt prayers go out to you. I wish you all the best in your journey and pray for a positive outcome to your therapy. God bless you.
 
My husband and I read Dr. Nicolosi’s book, which introduced us to the idea of reparative therapy. I would suggest that you do some more investigation. The whole theory of reparative therapy is based upon the theory that those with a homosexual orientation developed such orientation due to a failure to adequately bond with the same sex parent. Treatment is entirely based upon this theory, the goal of which is to heal or “repair” this failure to bond. That is why the therapist that treated my son was so convinced that my son must be repressing memories of sexual abuse. He had no discernable lack of bonding with his father. In fact, the therapist determined that he had developed healthy, properly bonding relationships with both of his parents, which is why he was so convinced that there must have been sexual abuse. The theory did not fit my son, and as well intentioned as this therapist may have been, he could not explain my son’s homosexual orientation unless my son was a victim of sexual abuse, which my son clearly believed had never occurred. He underwent hypnosis, which produced nothing. And when the therapist encouraged him to consider further his interactions with his uncle, my son had had enough. That is when he informed us about this direction in therapy.

I remember very clearly that in his book, Dr. Nicolosi recommends the adoption of traditional masculine gender roles as an important therapeutic tool. I remember this specifically because my son already embodied the typical masculine gender roles. His book seemed very focused on laying out a treatment plan for a specific kind of homosexual person, which he seemed to assume applied to all homosexual people, but he was quite mistaken.
Actually, I just got the book in the mail yesterday…haha…and so I read the whole first part of it, about his theory of reparative therapy.

Having now read part of the book, I can understand a little bit more the claims about “putting all SSA individuals in a box”. There is tons of him citing studies which show all these things about father-son relationships and mother-son relationships and how important especially the father-son thing is in a male’s (very) early life. I will say, however, that there are plenty of “percentages” cited, and there is never a 100% cited; in fact, the majority of percentages cited are probably in the 50% - 75% range, meaning in the majority of these studies he cites, 25-50% of homosexuals did not display whatever “typical characteristic” of homosexuality (or “pre-homosexuality” which he sometimes mentions) the study was studying.

To be honest, even before I read the first part of the book, I knew I didn’t (at least fully) believe that I have a terrible relationship with my father, so believe me, this is something I’m being extremely cautious about. However: I don’t want to say anything about your son and you and your husband’s relationship with him specifically, but I know for me that, though I was certainly never physically abused by him, and I have always had at least a decent relationship (if not good) with him, there are other aspects of my relationship with him which I think leave the door open for there to be some merits to Nicolosi’s theories and all of those studies he cites. I’m not sure if he himself would say this, but it seems to me that based on all of the information he threw onto the table, the (perceived) relationship with the father does not have to be bad in order for many of the things to be true regarding being accepted and affirmed in a the true male identity.

And I’ll (sort of) eat my words regarding what I said about “typical guy things” and whatnot - I’m not sure if I expressed adequately what I meant to say when I wrote that. On one hand, you can’t just totally dismiss the studies which he cited on that matter, I think all/most of which found that a high (or at least majority) percentage of homosexuals did “feminine” things in their early childhood. On the other hand, I think my point still stands that it is not the “feminine” actions themselves that is the problem - it is more an internal - i.e., struggling with male identity - issue, which I think then makes it safe to say that even from an early age, it is possible there are some identity issues a male child could have which could manifest themselves through “feminine” actions/mannerisms.

In any case, even though not all of the first part of the book really resonated with my experience, other parts without question did. And I understand it won’t be the same with others, and he says that in his book - not everyone who has come to him had the same developmental problems, or “fits in the box” as a few on here would say. I just don’t see that as a negative thing, and though I am sure that in some cases, reparative therapists have tried to force negative memories on clients, but I really doubt that all do. My current therapist, as I mentioned previously, I think uses many/most of Nicolosi’s ideas but I don’t think he follows it as if it is his Gospel or something…lol. My experience so far has led me to believe he is open to working through these “differences”, those things which I am seeing make me NOT fit in “Nicolosi’s Box” (hahaha). If I ever get the strong impression that he is not open to this, I will be out the door.
It is not my wish to discourage you from reparative therapy, I only caution you to be well informed about what you are getting into. My most heartfelt prayers go out to you. I wish you all the best in your journey and pray for a positive outcome to your therapy. God bless you.
Thanks, I really appreciate that!
 
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