The Ultimate Apologetics Question

[MaggieOH]

Pace:

st_felicity,

I appreciate your honest questions. It’s very difficult to answer them, though, because if what I claim to be ‘seeing’ is truly there, then it seems to follow that such a thing can happen only twice per world. Here is my theory about that:

Jesus came and redeemed our real world. Yet there was still left after that the possibility that we could create and enter another world. I guess this would be called, and has been called, our subconsious. But ‘the movies’ (i.e. certain types of movies) seem to be our creation of a new God-less universe. This was so with each and every movie, to a lesser or greater degree, because each and every movie was in some way imperfect. God’s real universe here is a perfect universe, because of Christ’s coming. So, to redeem the universe we have created to escape His “awful” real universe (do you recall the line fromMulholland Drive : “To get rid of this God-awful feeling”?) God had to find a way to enter. Yet this new Universe, or re-entered Eden, of ours is guarded by a demon with the flaming sword of our collective consciousness. Or something like that…

Anyway, this is why Christ had to come in the silent way (about his identity) of Mulholland Drive , rather than the conscious, noisy fanfare way of The Passion of the Christ.

If we would insist upon a “conscious Christ” that is possible, too. But that is a hard road, because the answer in that direction is Lars von Trier’s Dogville .

Pace,

when are you entering psychotherapy? I really do think that you need some help to move on from this wacky idea about a B grade movie.

MaggieOH

 

[Pace]

MaggieOH:

Pace, you have it all wrong. Mulholland drive is a B grade movie. It is a movie. It is not about the second coming of Christ. It comes from a script writer’s imagination and it is made real by a bunch of actors who have been paid to take on these roles.

This whole question is just too frivolous.

MaggieOH

Maggie, you have to get right back to that video store and rent that sucka again. Be sure and watch it until the end. I know what you mean by “b-movie”, but what is occuring is the same thing that made some people judge a particular carpenter from Nazareth to have a b-life, and certain books of the Bible to be b-literature. In other words, there is more to it than meets the eye. Much more.

 

[Pace]

MaggieOH:

Pace, you have it all wrong. Mulholland drive is a B grade movie. It is a movie. It is not about the second coming of Christ. It comes from a script writer’s imagination and it is made real by a bunch of actors who have been paid to take on these roles.

This whole question is just too frivolous.

MaggieOH

Maggie,

Go rent it again. This will be enough to get you laughed at and eyed suspiciously by the video store employees. It is the Lord in the disguise of a B-movie (just like when he came the first time).

 

[MaggieOH]

Pace:

Maggie,

Go rent it again. This will be enough to get you laughed at and eyed suspiciously by the video store employees. It is the Lord in the disguise of a B-movie (just like when he came the first time).

I have not rented it for the first time, and I am not likely to rent Mulholland drive. It is B grade drivel.

I really think that there is a psychiatric problem when a person cannot see that a movie is nothing more than the work of imagination of men.

There are other movies that have merit, not because they represent Christ or anything like that, but because they make people think. I have seen some movies that I thought that I would never watch because of the violence and language, yet some have left a lasting impression because of the message conveyed in the stories. A couple of these movies were based upon men in prison and they expounded upon the bad treatment that they received for no other reason than being black. The impressions that I got from such movies was based solely upon some of the psychological themes within the script. However, none of the movies have anything to do with Christ.

To claim that a B grade movie such as Mulholland drive is about Christ indicates a lack of maturity. To persist in making this claim about a B grade movie is an indication that psychotherapy might be needed.

When the time for the second coming arrives, Jesus is not going to be walking on this earth because he will be coming to judge the living and the dead.

Rather than waste time upon a B grade movie why not go and read the Bible and learn what Scripture says about the second coming.

MaggieOH

 

[Benadam]

Pace,

my friend, I’m going to tell you as a brother in Christ how I see what’s happening here. I considered not posting this in a public forum but thought I could after considering your strengths. I hope I’m not mistaken.

I don’t think you’re crazy at all. I think your intellect has apprehended a profound truth. You have become aware that the ecclesiastic authority in the west has shifted from the various Christian church’s to the media. Not just movies but movies are themedia’s primary expression for exposing the mediocrity to a higher awareness of human consciousness. I mean the mediocre masses to a higher awareness. And of course having lost faith in the Church as an ecclesiastic authority the masses follow.

I would imagine that you are seeking validation for this new paradigm you’ve pierced. Yes it is real. The theatre, much like in antiquity has become th ecclesiastic authority of our culture. Remember though the old saying.’ the higher you climb the farther you fall. I’ve been through this sort of thing myself. I call it spiritual bypass. Mine wasn’t about the media in particular but other things.

The media has come to know their market and that includes knowing about the level of awareness people as a whole live their lives . This means that the movie industry as a whole is just a couple floors up. That awareness is like a gun. It can be used to protect or to kill.

The movie industry has taken advantage of the masses and are exploiting their lack of faith in Christ by giving them something ‘like’ Christ in that it is forever something new 'except the one they present accepts their lifestyle. I don’t believe you do that, but in apprehending the truth of this spiritual phenomenon, because of your love for Christ,your mind has attached Him to it because of it’s ecclesiastic nature, which Christ is in that He is the Truth, but the phenomenon as it is, is a psuedo or quasi ecclesia.

The Christ you love and the ecclesia of our modern culture are conflictual and that caused an anxiety when you became aware of it. l believe you resolved that anxiety with this belief system. You aren’t going nuts. You do need to be grounded though. Don’t lose your faith in Christ of the Church. It’s no big deal. I hope you arfen’t insulted by that becauseIn fact what you are going through is common among those who have broken into a new paradigm without some physical reality to trust as quide…

 

[Paul_Stephens]

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