The Unification Church and Sun Myung Moon's pet projects

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Good grief he was big in the 70s. A daughter of one of my moms friends was rescued and deprogrammed from this cult.
 
He seemed to have a pet interest in intelligent design. I really am not sure how this guy got as far as he did.
 
Father Sun Myung Moon is not dead, he’s still active, in his 90s, his birthday coming up soon. I suggest he “got as far as he did” because of his passion to do God’s will and fulfill the Jesus’ prayer “Thy will be done, Thy Kingdom come, on earth as in heaven”.

Check out reverendsunmyungmoon.org/

I’m an Anglican, and / but there are also plenty of Roman Catholics who feel their faith hugely increased by their contact with him.
 
chrisvdavies said:
Father Sun Myung Moon is not dead, he’s still active, in his 90s, his birthday coming up soon. I suggest he “got as far as he did” because of his passion to do God’s will and fulfill the Jesus’ prayer “Thy will be done, Thy Kingdom come, on earth as in heaven”.

Check out reverendsunmyungmoon.org/

I’m an Anglican, and / but there are also plenty of Roman Catholics who feel their faith hugely increased by their contact with him.
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I am confused. You say you are an Anglican but yet your religion thing says you are a “Unificationist” which suggests you are a member of the Unification church.

That said, I would not call Sun Myung Moon “Father” Sun Myung Moon. He is most definitely not a priest.
 
I grew up an Anglican and became a member of the Unification Church when I was 25. However, I still consider myself an Anglican as well. It might take a little more time to explain this, but it occurs to me that St. Paul was a Jew who when he became a CHristian did not cease being a Jew.

I don’t know what defines “priest” to you. Possibly you are saying that Father Moon was not ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. The word predates the creation of the Roman Catholic Church and is widely used today beyond the boundaries of the Roman Catholic priesthood. I use it as an expression of respect and affection.
 
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Does this man have a lot of money?
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Yes, enough money to keep publishing the Washington TIMES newspaper even though it continues to lose money. He also financed the Korean war epic “Inchon!,” which was a major box office flop.
 
chrisvdavies said:
I grew up an Anglican and became a member of the Unification Church when I was 25. However, I still consider myself an Anglican as well. It might take a little more time to explain this, but it occurs to me that St. Paul was a Jew who when he became a CHristian did not cease being a Jew.

I don’t know what defines “priest” to you. Possibly you are saying that Father Moon was not ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. The word predates the creation of the Roman Catholic Church and is widely used today beyond the boundaries of the Roman Catholic priesthood. I use it as an expression of respect and affection.
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Chris, Do you believe that Jesus was a failure and that quote, unquote “Father” Moon came to complete what Jesus couldn’t do? This is a central tenet of faith in the Unification Church:
faithdefenders.com/articles/cults/factsheet_moonies.html

And again: For those who rely on new stories from the Washington TIMES, this is the guy who finances that newspaper.

I will pray for you, brother. :gopray2:
 
chrisvdavies said:
Father Sun Myung Moon is not dead, he’s still active, in his 90s, his birthday coming up soon. I suggest he “got as far as he did” because of his passion to do God’s will and fulfill the Jesus’ prayer “Thy will be done, Thy Kingdom come, on earth as in heaven”.
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Hi Chris, welcome to Catholic Answers Forums, or CAF as we often call it. 👋

I know little about the Unification Church except as portrayed in the news. I hope you will forgive me if I ask a question of you upfront, but I think it is important. Is it true that followers of Sun Myung Moon consider him to be the Messiah or second coming of Jesus?

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I see that Havana1 has alleged something similar. Would you be willing to clarify this matter for us?
 
Dale_M said:
Hi Chris, welcome to Catholic Answers Forums, or CAF as we often call it. 👋

I know little about the Unification Church except as portrayed in the news. I hope you will forgive me if I ask a question of you upfront, but I think it is important. Is it true that followers of Sun Myung Moon consider him to be the Messiah or second coming of Jesus?
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If you know little about him, then you may wish to do some more research, because a lot of his influence shows up on CAF via Washington TIMES news links. That’s pretty scary.
 
Dale_M said:
Hi Chris, welcome to Catholic Answers Forums, or CAF as we often call it. 👋

I know little about the Unification Church except as portrayed in the news. I hope you will forgive me if I ask a question of you upfront, but I think it is important. Is it true that followers of Sun Myung Moon consider him to be the Messiah or second coming of Jesus?

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I see that Havana1 has alleged something similar. Would you be willing to clarify this matter for us?
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May I ask if you differentiate between “as portrayed in the news” or “accurately documented by journalists”? Here’s a book that documents an incident that has been corroborated elsewhere:
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The New York Times compared it to an act of the Roman Emperor Caligula. One night in 2004, at one of Washington’s worst dinner parties, members of Congress brought a shining crown and robes to a billionaire mystery man who calls himself the True Father.

The place: The Dirksen Senate Office Building. The VIP: Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Moonies.
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In 2004, author John Gorenfeld scooped the Washington press corps when he exposed a creepy dinner party on Capitol Hill. With lawmakers participating, the Times publisher held a ritual coronation for himself as the “King of Peace.” Wearing a majestic cape and coronet, he declared himself Messiah. The New York Times editors compared the event, sponsored by a U.S. senator, to an act of the Roman emperor Caligula.

That, as you might imagine, was just the tip of the iceberg.

We could go on. The Chicago Tribune has reported that Moon controls the U.S. sushi industry. He does business with Kim Jong-Il. Moon now officially regards himself as Emperor of the Universe, claiming the imagined endorsements of dead U.S. presidents. *

Source (of many): gorenfeld.net/book/
 
I heard a little of Sun Myung Moon and his unification church yet remained puzzled over the whole thing. Not meaning anything out of disrespect by any means yet doesn’t the bible talk about Jesus being the alpha and omega? Also, if anyone comes claiming to be the messiah, that he or she is a false messiah for Jesus is the only messiah? I was brought up in the lutheran and catholic faith-which really didn’t talk a whole lot about false prophets yet I remember from growing up in the '70s about Sun Moon and something about mass weddings he performed. I also went through a bout of non-denominational faith and baptist just to come back to my catholic roots yet with deeper understanding and appreciation of my faith while being open-minded and respectful towards my protestant brethren and friends.
No matter what Christian denomination-Jesus was always central to the christian faith and Him being the only messiah and the sacrificial lamb who came to die for our sins/establish His church with sacraments to make it possible for us to obtain the hope of salvation eg Sacrement of Reconciation. I hope by any means that I didn’t upset anyone on this forum, I just was mentioning about the bible teaching (if you are going by the bible) about Jesus being the only Messiah, the only Savior. Maybe I am missing out on something here? 🤷
By the way-may everyone have a Happy and Joyous New 2012 year-stay safe…hugs…
 
Dale_M said:
I know little about the Unification Church except as portrayed in the news. I hope you will forgive me if I ask a question of you upfront, but I think it is important. Is it true that followers of Sun Myung Moon consider him to be the Messiah or second coming of Jesus?
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Because the Washington TIMES newspaper, which Moon finances, has a “conservative” and “pro-life” reputation, most Catholics give the guy a free pass. IOW, it doesn’t matter if followers think he’s the second coming of Jesus. What matters is the Washington TIMES publishes “conservative” news stories, period, end of story, no further discussion. Which is why this thread will by dead and buried in a few hours.
 
havana1 said:
Because the Washington TIMES newspaper, which Moon finances, has a “conservative” and “pro-life” reputation, most Catholics give the guy a free pass. IOW, it doesn’t matter if followers think he’s the second coming of Jesus. What matters is the Washington TIMES publishes “conservative” news stories, period, end of story, no further discussion. Which is why this thread will by dead and buried in a few hours.
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So very true 👍👍👍
 
Many questions have come up. I can’t answer them all now, but here goes with some of the main. Yes, I consider Father Moon has inherited Jesus’ mantle, in a similar way to Elisha inheriting the mantle of Elijah. Indeed, Father Moon says that Jesus appeared to him when he was praying on Easter morning and asked him to complete what he, Jesus had not been able to complete on earth, namely creating the “Kingdom of Heaven”, as we pray in the prayer Jesus taught us. Father Moon asserts that it is not enough for us to pray “Thy Will be done, Thy Kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven”, we must do all we can to assist God in bringing His Kingdom.

We do not say that Jesus was a failure, anymore than God Himself was a failure because Adam and Eve “fell”. But those prepared to receive and work with him did fail him and though this will offend some readers, John the Baptist was the most significant person to fail him. He had revelation and testified to Jesus, but did not then follow him; probably doubts crept in since Jesus was probably considered the black sheep of the family, the bastard son of an unknown man, whereas John’s father was a High Priest.

The Bible passage “Among them that are born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he”. Matthew 11:11, was what caused one fervent Roman Catholic I know to start to take seriously what she was hearing, when she had started coming to lectures on Father Moon’s teaching out of curiosity as to why another Roman Catholic was “following” Father Moon.

To understand more about why we assert that Father Moon is fulfilling the mission of Jesus you would need to study more. He is not, of course, Jesus himself, and for many years Father Moon talked about little else than Jesus, his suffering life and redeeming grace, and how all people needed to “take up the cross and follow.”

Certainly, I feel more love from and for Jesus than I ever did before I met Father Moon and a greater respect and feeling of kinship with all Christians, past and present, whatever their denomination.

Coincidentally, I have today been thinking of a song I wrote years ago: “Would they / we crucify him again?” Jesus himself questioned whether the “Son of Man” would find faith on earth; probably realizing that just as the Jews rejected him because he did not fit their image of the Messiah or their “understanding” of the Scriptures, so-called Christians might be the most violently opposed to the “Returning Christ”; and this has been played out, more than anywhere else in Korea, where - just one example - Christians in Pyongyang brought false witness about him to the communist authorities, resulting in him spending more than two years in an extermination work camp.

But he forgave the Christians and forgave the communists and years later went to North Korea and told Kim Il Sung that though he totally disagreed with his atheistic ideology, he would do all he could to help him redevelop his country; just as he had told Gorbachev that while glasnost and perestroika were good, he needed to allow religious freedom in the USSR.

With Gorbachev’s blessing, Father Moon organized comprehensive religious teaching there, a broad introduction to the essence of religion and comprehensive explanation of all the great religions. Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox church wanted exclusive right to the souls of the people, and these programmes were stopped.

We hope and pray that we may be able to bring the Word of God to the people of North Korea. Billy Graham expressed his amazement at the religious fervour he found in the South, but it was in the North, in the early years of the 20th century, that the flame of “revival” jumped from Wales to America and thence to Pyongyang, which became known as the Jerusalem of the East.

I think that’s enough for now. I would be happy to address the other points and more at a later time, I am preparing to great the New Year, in the Unification Movement we make a special point of dedicating January 1 to God as a way of showing our commitment and intention to dedicate ourselves to His service throughout the coming year.
 
Chris, thank you for your comprehensive answer to the question I posed. I apologize for putting you on the spot when you are still very much a guest here. It was rude of me to do so, but I deeply appreciate your patience in answering.
 
chrisvdavies said:
Father Sun Myung Moon is not dead, he’s still active, in his 90s, his birthday coming up soon. I suggest he “got as far as he did” because of his passion to do God’s will and fulfill the Jesus’ prayer “Thy will be done, Thy Kingdom come, on earth as in heaven”.

Check out reverendsunmyungmoon.org/

I’m an Anglican, and / but there are also plenty of Roman Catholics who feel their faith hugely increased by their contact with him.
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Dear chris davies;
The problem is that Rev. Moon is far from “inheriting” the mantle of Christ; **First **of all due to the fact that in his book “Divine principle” he states that my Father Lord Jesus did NOT arise in the flesh at his Resurrection; but is a “spirit” of some kind; able to appear in locked room because he has no flesh; when all the even most doubtful as Doubting thomas himself put his finger in the wounds and in his ide and then agreed my Father had indedd arisen IN THE FLESH.

Rev. Moon does not even reach the standard of the least of the Apostle’s who I do consider to be “Doubting Thomas”.

Second; Rev. Moon aver that the Holy Spirit is “a female spirit”; again in his book “Divine Principle”. Due to my instruction from my Father’s servant John who gave me the Seal of the Living God which Rev. Moon as John the Baptist did NOT receive I can reveal that the Holy Spirit of God happens to be JEHOVAH Himself; the “female spirit” who Rev. Moon says is the “holy spirit” is in fact “Mystery”; who happens to be ISIS: herself. Otherwise known as “the Great Whore”

Thirdly; Rev. Moon; again in his book “Divine Principle” MARRIES my Father Jesus to this “holy spirit”; but since JEHOVAH as the Holy Spirit of God happenes to be the FATHER of the Lamb who created him with Mary ( who is ‘the Zion of the Holy One of Israel’ seen in Rev. chapter 12 as the “Mother of Jesus” ) it is Rev. Moon who has married the Lambof God: to his own Fatgher: rather a large error and mistake; as where this is where “Sodom” as the “Tail of the Dragon” invaded Rev. Moon’s book conclusively; the great red dragon representing the kingdom of darkness as “Egypt” itself spiritually; Sodom and Egypt “where alsso our Lord was crucified” should ring some bells.

Fourth; and worst of all; is that Rev. Moon through Mark Biggs ( book is called “Secrets of the Holy Family” ) and Young Oon Kim ( book is called "Unification Theology and Christian Thought; quotes about Zacharias as “father of Jesus” on pages 130-131 ); and other Unification writers as well; but Rev. Moon gave this thins “information” to my friend Bradford Kent Bufkin; who told me himself what Rev. Moon said to him; and Rev. Moon secretly teaches his members to this day that ZACHARIAS was the “real” father of my Father Jesus in an act of adultery with John the Baptist’s father; which is actually the hidden accusation that John the Baptist had about my Father Jesus as “the beam in his eye”; which is why he never bonded with my Father Jesus; nor perfomed one miracle; because he never overcame Satan and this LIE.

Rev. Moon is John the Baptist; though he deines it; just as John the Baptist was Elijah; though he also denied that. But my Father Jesus said John was Elijah; when they asked John about this he said he wasn’t: this is what “split” the providence and ruined everything; as even Rev. Moon noticed.

I thus stand in my Father Jesus’s position even though I am truly “the least in the Kingdom of Heaven”.

But I am a greater prophet than Rev. Moon; that I can aver as God is my Witness and my Father Jesus now its upon the Throne of God in the rapidly approaching New Heaven which shall shortly be made manifest to all; and the New Earth along with it; the Gospel of Jesus Christ being essentially the Holy Mountain; and the Revelation of Jesus Christ being quintessentially the Holy City; that I know personally; as all soon will who stand before the Son of Man on December 25th 2012: Christmas Day: Judgment Day.

The problem is that Rev. Moon should have listened to me and corrected the 3 Great Errors in his book “Divine Principle”; but he didn’t. Jonathan Gullery; and Eric Holt at HSA-UWD and Bob Selle at the Washington Times and Magnus as the current major domo at HSA-UWC; and Kyle Toffey; pastor with Hyung-Jin Moon; they all know about me: and have tried to “ignore” me out of existence because I happen to know that Rev. Moon is himself the “Faithful and Wise Steward/ servant” of both Matthew and Luke; and whose end is that of that “evil servant” of Matthew 24:48; I sugget everybody read the entire prophetic judgment since it concerns the Last Day; which is Now; and the approaching Last Hour: in One Year.

A very BIG MISTAKE to ignore me by Rev. Moon; and my father’s servant John; who instructed me for 21 years in New Hope PA; when I did the 21 year course of Jacob in Haran; if you want to know, you probably should; in truth.

See you all around; my Father Jesus will be here on December 25th 2012; but I suggest you who are believers bond with me before then: believing me when He’s here will be “too late”; as the final “Test of Faith” is as that of Noah; believing and entering the Ark BEFORE the “Proof” or “Flood” arrives.

That is where the expression of the “wailing and gnashing of teeth” happened; outside the sealed door of Noah’s Ark: he wouldn’t open the Door; as it was sealed with Pitch by that time.

Bless thee all in the Name of my Father Jesus: In-shallah!!

Salvation Rose
christopher witt diamant ( goggle it )
 
Salvation_Rose said:
Dear chris davies;
The problem is that Rev. Moon is far from “inheriting” the mantle of Christ; **First **of all due to the fact that in his book “Divine principle” he states that my Father Lord Jesus did NOT arise in the flesh at his Resurrection; but is a “spirit” of some kind; able to appear in locked room because he has no flesh; when all the even most doubtful as Doubting thomas himself put his finger in the wounds and in his ide and then agreed my Father had indedd arisen IN THE FLESH.

Rev. Moon does not even reach the standard of the least of the Apostle’s who I do consider to be “Doubting Thomas”.

Second; Rev. Moon aver that the Holy Spirit is “a female spirit”; again in his book “Divine Principle”. Due to my instruction from my Father’s servant John who gave me the Seal of the Living God which Rev. Moon as John the Baptist did NOT receive I can reveal that the Holy Spirit of God happens to be JEHOVAH Himself; the “female spirit” who Rev. Moon says is the “holy spirit” is in fact “Mystery”; who happens to be ISIS: herself. Otherwise known as “the Great Whore”

Thirdly; Rev. Moon; again in his book “Divine Principle” MARRIES my Father Jesus to this “holy spirit”; but since JEHOVAH as the Holy Spirit of God happenes to be the FATHER of the Lamb who created him with Mary ( who is ‘the Zion of the Holy One of Israel’ seen in Rev. chapter 12 as the “Mother of Jesus” ) it is Rev. Moon who has married the Lambof God: to his own Fatgher: rather a large error and mistake; as where this is where “Sodom” as the “Tail of the Dragon” invaded Rev. Moon’s book conclusively; the great red dragon representing the kingdom of darkness as “Egypt” itself spiritually; Sodom and Egypt “where alsso our Lord was crucified” should ring some bells.

Fourth Rev. Moon through Mark Biggs and Young Soon Kim and other Unification writers as well personally to Brad Bifkin who told me himself what Rev. Moon said teaches his members that ZACHARIAS was the “real” father of my Father Jesus in an act of aduktery with John the Baptist’s father; which is actually the hidden accusation that John the Baptist had about my Father Jesus as “the beam in his eye” which is why he never bonded with my Father Jesus; nor perfomed one miracle; because he never overcame Satan and this LIE.

Rev. Moon is John the Baptist; though he deines it; just as John the Baptist was Elijah; though he also denied that. But my Father Jesus said John was Elijah; when they asked John about this he said he wasn’t: this is what “split” the providence and ruined everything; as even Rev. Moon noticed.

The problem is that Rev. Moon should have listened to me and corrected the errors in his book “Divine Principle”; but he didn’t.

A very BIG MISTAKE.

See you all aroubd; my Father Jesus will be here on December 25th 2012; but I suggest you bond with me before then: believing it when He’s here will be “too late”; as the final “Test of Faith” is as of Noah; believing and entering the Ark BEFORE the “Proof” of “Flood” arrives.That is where the “wailing and gnashing of teeth” happened; outside the sealed door of Noah’s Ark: he wouldn’t open the door as it was sealed with Pitch by that time.

Bless thee all in the Name of my Father Jesus: In-shallah!!
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Ho Boy.
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