The United Kingdom and Catholicism

[O_Duirnin]

With all due respect, many people in many countries ignore the distinction.

Although “Regno Unito” is the official term Italy uses to denote your country, newspapers and average Italians in general will frequently exchange UK/GB/England as if there were no difference. From what I’ve noticed, it’s the same in French.

I know it’s annoying, and it’s a justified annoyance, but have some patience, too.

My apologies, I perhaps sounded more exasperated than I intended. Perhaps if Scotland gets its independence (which may be quite soon, although I’ll admit to being slightly biased in favour!) it won’t be a problem for much longer. Cardinal O’Brien recently noted that if Scotland has an independent Catholic hierarchy (which it has had since 1878), it is difficult to argue against independence in a fuller sense - although I should stress that Catholic opinion is far from unanimous one way or the other.

 

[Warrenton]

Were it not for the anonymous letter in 1605…

A penny for the Old Guy, guvnor?

 

[Santi2]

A penny for the Old Guy, guvnor?

With the yearly bonfire reminder of the “could-have been…”. Many years on, we are left to twiddle thumbs with the accompanying relief that “orf with your heads” no longer applies for seditious chatter.

 

[Warrenton]

With the yearly bonfire reminder of the “could-have been…”. Many years on, we are left to twiddle thumbs with the accompanying relief that “orf with your heads” no longer applies for seditious chatter.

“Please to remember the 5th of November, Gunpowder, Treason and Plot!”

Hoist a pint for us recusants holding out in the Old Dominion.

Cheers!

 

[LemonAndLime]

Keep laughing but you increasingly half portions of cities cut off from the rest of your country as little Islamic islets.

Like East London, for instance. If you can call it that anymore.

Jharek is better placed than me so answer that (and he has). But maybe you shouldn’t believe everything you hear about Britain. It’s especially unwise for you to act like you know more about a country you’re not part of, it just comes across as rude and dismissive of our (better placed) opinions.

 

[Warrenton]

Jharek is better placed than me so answer that (and he has). But maybe you shouldn’t believe everything you hear about Britain. It’s especially unwise for you to act like you know more about a country you’re not part of, it just comes across as rude and dismissive of our (better placed) opinions.

Give a Yank a break. We keep hoping the rest of the world adopts our sports, like (real) football, baseball and race rioting.

You have no idea how alien one feels having to listen to an entire planet talk soccer. They even pour salt on the wound by calling the game…well, you know.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Give a Yank a break. We keep hoping the rest of the world adopts our sports, like (real) football, baseball and race rioting.

You have no idea how alien one feels having to listen to an entire planet talk soccer. They even pour salt on the wound by calling the game…well, you know.

Hey, I really do love you Americans. Much more optimistic and the USA seems a lot more fun and diverse then we are over here.

But its called football, not soccer. That word burns my ears.

 

[Warrenton]

Clearly, it highlights a vast, anti-American conspiracy!

Just like the U.N.

And communism.

And France, probably.

Frosts me so much, I think I’ll knock off early for an RC Cola and a Moonpie.

 

[Warrenton]

Hey, I really do love you Americans. Much more optimistic and the USA seems a lot more fun and diverse then we are over here.

But its called football, not soccer. That word burns my ears.

No one was more optimistic than Mrs. Minniver. I wonder what she called soccer, or football, or whatever that game is called? Probably nothing. Bet she stuck to cricket, sensible lady that she was.

In describing the good ole You-Es-Ov-Ay, I would say we’re not as diverse as we seem.

But we’re a lot weirder.

 

[Te_Deum]

I’d love it to happen, but it’s not going to any time soon. The best we can aim for is praying for Her Majesty’s conversion, the disestablishment of the Church of England and the return of the Catholic Church in the British Isles to her traditional liturgical heritage and a strong push for doctrinal orthodoxy.

And some friendly gestures… like returning our cathedrals etc.

Despite its Anglicanism, the monarchy respects the different traditions within the United Kingdom - eg in Scotland where the national church is presbyterian, not anglican.

The Crown was forced to accept the Presbyterian Kirk in Scotland because Scotland wouldn’t have anything to do with an episcopal church. They fought more staunchly for Presbyterianism than they did for Bruce at Bannockburn. It was a huge issue in the day. And the Crown lost.

It’s nonsense to speak of the Crown “respecting different traditions”. Hard as the monarchy tried to crush them, whether it be Catholicism or Presbyterianism, in the end they couldn’t accomplish their goals and gave up.

 

[Warrenton]

It’s incredible, really. More devious than the Red Chinese, and the French didn’t even need Walmart.

The British are sooooooooo lucky they had Lord Nelson.

Otherwise, you all would be in the same pickle we are: your favorite hamburger accompaniment and your fanciest shirtsleaves named after a nation that does nothing but scupper the works, and your men captivated not by Martha Washington and Louisa Alcott, but by Bridget Bardot.

Land sakes, their First Lady (or First Femme Citizen, or whatever) cuts CDs of lounge music. With accordians. Ours gripes about fat kids and potato crisps. She even wants them to play -you guessed it - soccer. French influence is pervasive, I tell you. And they’re always looking down on you.

I’m telling you, Lord Nelson really deserves something better than some square full of traffic and protesters. Criminy, he doesn’t even have the darn thing to himself, but has to share it with a crowd of colonial era landlubbers of dubious distinction.

If he were American, we’d name an airport after him, or maybe a Channel Island.

Like I said, you lot are sooooooooooooooo lucky.

 

[Te_Deum]

. . .

Better not tell you about the time the IRA blew up his pillar.

 

[Warrenton]

Better not tell you about the time the IRA blew up his pillar.

I bet the French put 'em up to it. :crying:

 

[O_Duirnin]

Better not tell you about the time the IRA blew up his pillar.

The neighbour of a friend of mine in Dublin used to have a small piece of said pillar (which he’d presumably picked up off the street in the aftermath of the event) sitting proudly in a cabinet in his front room.

 

[liturgyluver]

It’s nonsense to speak of the Crown “respecting different traditions”. Hard as the monarchy tried to crush them, whether it be Catholicism or Presbyterianism, in the end they couldn’t accomplish their goals and gave up.

I wasn’t talking about this in its historical context, I meant more about how the monarchy today respects the multi-faith nature of the UK, not just within Christianity but beyond it. I only mentioned the historical bit because the opening post gave the impression that there was uniformity of practice across the UK, when the position varies from country to country.

 

[Te_Deum]

I wasn’t talking about this in its historical context, I meant more about how the monarchy today respects the multi-faith nature of the UK, not just within Christianity but beyond it. I only mentioned the historical bit because the opening post gave the impression that there was uniformity of practice across the UK, when the position varies from country to country.

In a modern context it is even worse to speak of such things. The monarchy has no choice in this matter. The Crown signed over… well… the Crown its self to parliament when the Stuarts were deposed and the Williamites came over. Since then it has been a plaything of parliament with no power.

The Crown respects “different faith traditions” today because Labour and the PC-brigade told them to “respect” them.

 

[liturgyluver]

In a modern context it is even worse to speak of such things. The monarchy has no choice in this matter. The Crown signed over… well… the Crown its self to parliament when the Stuarts were deposed and the Williamites came over. Since then it has been a plaything of parliament with no power.

The Crown respects “different faith traditions” today because Labour and the PC-brigade told them to “respect” them.

I disagree. The present monarch has been far more progressive on this issue than most of the post-war governments, and this pre-dates the establishment of the so-called “PC-brigade.” I also think there is a big difference between political power and influence. The former may have gone but the latter still exists.

 

[LemonAndLime]

In a modern context it is even worse to speak of such things. The monarchy has no choice in this matter. The Crown signed over… well… the Crown its self to parliament when the Stuarts were deposed and the Williamites came over. Since then it has been a plaything of parliament with no power.

The Crown respects “different faith traditions” today because Labour and the PC-brigade told them to “respect” them.

Not true at all. The Queen isn’t a wilting daisy and she’s not bullied around by our MPs here. It’s not how it works.