The United Methodist Church has appointed a transgender deacon

[thephilosopher6]

That is the Catholic view and interpretation, yes.

Others obviously have interpreted scripture differently than the RCC and disagree on this point. In many Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, etc… churches women can most definitely be priests. But I suspect you know that.

Yes, that is what happens when you have sola scriptura, insanity happens. This is only the natural result of Protestantism. It’s quite sad.

 

[Padres1969]

Yes, that is what happens when you have sola scriptura, insanity happens. This is only the natural result of Protestantism. It’s quite sad.

Who said anything about Sola Scriptura? Anglicans and Methodists in particular do not, as a general rule, believe in Sola Scriptura.

 

[pablope]

They also have women deacons in the Methodist Church. So since both men and women can be deacons in that church, what would preclude a transgender person from being a deacon in the Methodist Church?

A reading, reflection and a desire to follow what Christ had handed down to the Apostles, and a fidelity to adhering and safeguarding Apostolic Tradition:

w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis.html

From Ordination secerdotalis:

1. Priestly ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches.

When the question of the ordination of women arose in the Anglican Communion, Pope Paul VI, out of fidelity to his office of safeguarding the Apostolic Tradition… These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God’s plan for his Church."(1)

 

[pablope]

Of course they are real priests. I know that this conversation has been held before and there is always a stalemate, so perhaps we can just agree to disagree. Your respect for non Roman branches of Christendom is heard well.

So can anyone just define who the real priests are?

What standard do you think should be followed in defining who the real priests are?

 

[pablope]

That is the Catholic view and interpretation, yes.

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What is wrong with the Catholic interpretation? and the Orthodox as well, since they follow the Catholic interpretation too?

Others obviously have interpreted scripture differently than the RCC and disagree on this point. In many Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, etc… churches women can most definitely be priests. But I suspect you know that

And what makes their interpretation correct? Should anyone be allowed to interpret Scripture according to one’s own whims and desires and rationalizations?

 

[pablope]

Who said anything about Sola Scriptura? Anglicans and Methodists in particular do not, as a general rule, believe in Sola Scriptura.

It is sola scriptura…in a different form…they interpret on their own. Do you think this is a good thing for Christianity?

 

[Padres1969]

What is wrong with the Catholic interpretation? and the Orthodox as well, since they follow the Catholic interpretation too?

Didn’t say anything is wrong with the Catholic interpretation. That’s your interpretation, a long held one I’d add.

And what makes their interpretation correct? Should anyone be allowed to interpret Scripture according to one’s own whims and desires and rationalizations?

What makes their interpretation correct? They have faith that it is so. Could they be wrong? Possibly… but they don’t believe they are.

And I don’t agree that anyone should be allowed to interpret scripture according to their desires and whims. But if a council of church leadership is moved by the spirit to interpret something in such a way (in Anglican parlance, based on scripture, tradition, reason), then so be it.

 

[Padres1969]

It is sola scriptura…in a different form…they interpret on their own. Do you think this is a good thing for Christianity?

Actually it’s not. It’s Prima Scriptura, but even then they don’t just “interpret it on their own” in the manner you suggest.

 

[Dcn_Terry]

I’m a bit uncomfortable with the they/them thing and calling it transgender, to me, in most cases this is really androgyny. However, in the case where a person is called to an office that is available to either sex, who cares?..

We should all care because it denies the dignity of the human person to refer to someone as “it”. We are not defined by our sexuality, but rather our being made in the image and likeness of God.

 

[thephilosopher6]

Actually it’s not. It’s Prima Scriptura, but even then they don’t just “interpret it on their own” in the manner you suggest.

Prima Scriptura is still heretical and they are indeed interpreting it without the authority of the Catholic Church so yes, they are interpreting it on their own without any valid authority.

 

[Memaw]

That is the Catholic view and interpretation, yes.

Others obviously have interpreted scripture differently than the RCC and disagree on this point. In many Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, etc… churches women can most definitely be priests. But I suspect you know that.

Yes I do but I am a Catholic and it has been this way for over 2,000 years in the Catholic Ordination of male Priests. Can’t change to suit the times. One of us has to be wrong in our interpretation. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

A reading, reflection and a desire to follow what Christ had handed down to the Apostles, and a fidelity to adhering and safeguarding Apostolic Tradition:

w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1994/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_19940522_ordinatio-sacerdotalis.html

From Ordination secerdotalis:

1. Priestly ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches.

When the question of the ordination of women arose in the Anglican Communion, Pope Paul VI, out of fidelity to his office of safeguarding the Apostolic Tradition… These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God’s plan for his Church."(1)

AMEN, God Bless, Memaw

 

[ConfusedLucy]

If it’s a faith that allows both genders to be ordained then I guess its less of a big deal. It’s a decision for that church. This doesn’t bother me in the same way as men dressed as women insisting on using women’s private spaces or taking “first woman” achievements from real born women to be fair.

 

[Memaw]

It is sola scriptura…in a different form…they interpret on their own. Do you think this is a good thing for Christianity?

The very fact that Protestantism has divided into thousands of sects that disagree on many things should tell them something is wrong somewhere. Christ promised that His Church would never teach error. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Sy_Noe]

Yes I do but I am a Catholic and it has been this way for over 2,000 years in the Catholic Ordination of male Priests. Can’t change to suit the times. One of us has to be wrong in our interpretation. God Bless, Memaw

The Bible was still penned by imperfect human beings so no matter how much they were inspired, it can be argued that human beings can not help bringing at least some of themselves and their times into it and into their interpretations. But true enough, not everyone has everything right, if anyone does. But in faith we will know soon enough along out walks. God have mercy on us all. And may God bless you as well.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Prima Scriptura is still heretical and they are indeed interpreting it without the authority of the Catholic Church so yes, they are interpreting it on their own without any valid authority.

They aren’t Catholic nor do they hold such a faith.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

As I have told Protestant family who are opposed to the Catholic Church…when the CC starts pulling this sort of stuff(ordaining Transgender or whatever) Then we can start talking about who is apostate and who is not.

Proud to part of the one, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

 

[Thorolfr]

Prima Scriptura is still heretical and they are indeed interpreting it without the authority of the Catholic Church so yes, they are interpreting it on their own without any valid authority.

For denominations which don’t recognize the authority of the Catholic Church, why should they care what the Catholic Church thinks?

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Is it really the Catholic churches place to tell other denominations what to do though?

 

[MaryT777]

For denominations which don’t recognize the authority of the Catholic Church, why should they care what the Catholic Church thinks?

They are not required to do so. This is however Catholic answers forums so thus answers from Catholics will share the Catholic perspective.

I certainly appreciate the dialogue with those that are not Catholic as well. Thus, perhaps we can learn something along the way from each other.

Blessings,

Mary.