Realizing you don’t even know what your arguing against, and not playing your games is hardly folding.
Then I quoted Bishops who were directly ordained by apostles and were direct disciples to John. THEY referred to the Church in writing, as the Catholic Church. I gave the evidence all properly referenced.steve-b:
Baloney. You have claimed multiple times that Acts 9:31 is a reference to the Catholic Church. You have yet to tell me how a verse referring to there being peace throughout the whole countryside of Judea and Samaria makes absolutely any sense as defining the Catholic Church.
You mean like the quote by St. Irenaeus where says that where the people are gathered around the bishop, there is the Catholic (i.e. whole) church? He wasn’t referring to the Church of Rome.Then I quoted Bishops who were directly ordained by apostles and were direct disciples to John. THEY referred to the Church in writing, as the Catholic Church. I gave the evidence all properly referenced.
And the Russians, broke with that Church. Along with 2 or 3 others who broke with the EP as well. As a result no Pan Orthodox meeting took place.steve-b:
Realizing you don’t even know what your arguing against, and not playing your games is hardly folding.
The Ecumenical Patriarch is the successor to St. Andrew the Apostle, Archbishop of Constantinople-New Rome. He presides over the Holy Synod of the Church of Constantinople.
Who else has broken with the Ecumenical Patriarch?
What, … you can’t remember the quote? Bk 3 ch 3 v 2-3 Where Irenaeus says the Church of Rome holds preeminent authority over all the Churches?steve-b:
You mean like the quote by St. Irenaeus where says that where the people are gathered around the bishop, there is the Catholic (i.e. whole) church? He wasn’t referring to the Church of Rome.Then I quoted Bishops who were directly ordained by apostles and were direct disciples to John. THEY referred to the Church in writing, as the Catholic Church. I gave the evidence all properly referenced.
I then asked for proof that the handful of other references were to the church of Rome, rather than in line with St. Irenaeus, as a description of the wholeness of the Church. You never really answered.
Edit to clarify: rather than asking about whether these refer to Rome, I should ask whether these references are defining the equivalent of today’s Roman Catholic Church.
You don’t even know what’s going on in your own churches?steve-b:
Who else has broken with the Ecumenical Patriarch?
You stated they broke from Constantinople. They have not broken communion.
Is “preeminent authority” the best translation of “potiorem principalitatem”?
Nope!steve-b:
You stated they broke from Constantinople. They have not broken communion.
Do you think the Ecumenical Patriarch has the same authority as the Pope?
Jesus Christ.
Nice try. But no cigar,steve-b:
Jesus Christ.
Jesus isn’t our authority?
And yet, with regard to Romanian Orthodox,
Are you saying the Pope dares to call schismatics his “brother and sister?”
Good grief, this whole CC paradigm has P’s as kind of third stringers, like Catholics are first string, Orthodox second…and of course if you are second string you better be above association with third stringers…and this is scriptural and an apostolic and inspired paradigm some say.
I think another major word would be governance, as it relates to liberty, and or its restrictions.
And I like C.S.Lewis , who I think came to faith , choosing Protestantism over Catholicism, who had history teach him that,